Captain Space wrote:Yeah, I tend to avoid clinging to the Daizenshuu numbers. Anyway, I think the anime extended greatly the time in which Goku had the advantage compared to the manga; in the manga, right up until near the end, it was just about completely even blow for blow. Pretty sure, anyway.
Yeah I guess that interpretation also works. Goku decided to end the fight when he noticed Frieza's power going down so that probably means he was having fun up until then. The Daizenshuu has SSJ Goku being 25% stronger than 100% Frieza but they had Vegeta being 9% stronger than Dodoria. I doubt Goku could one-shot Frieza as easily as Vegeta did to Dodoria. I heard one theory that Dodoria wasn't at full power because he was scared but Frieza wasn't exactly the perfect example of bravery when he was fighting SSJ Goku. I guess it depends how you interpret 50% Frieza vs Goku's Kaiokenx20. The Daizenshuu assumed they were equal but if the Kamehameha concentrated Goku's power on top of the Kaioken then it could've been something like:
20x Kaioken Goku: 60 million
+Kamehameha: 65-70 million
50% Frieza: 70 million
100% Frieza: 140 million
Pretty sure they explicitly state Gohan's weaker before they even see him transform at all, so I'm gonna say view 2 seems more accurate.
I agree that Gohan did lose energy but I'm not sure by how much. He's also rusty so he might not be able to focus his energy like before. If he fought his Cell Games self then I think it would be somewhat close. CG Gohan would win but it would require some effort and not a one-shot fight.
xmysticgohanx wrote:@skar I said 300 because BoZ Piccolo destroyed the moon with a pl of 329. A feat Roshi also did with his buff form. Although I guess that was back when ki blasts boosted pl. So it should be anywhere between 329 andwhatever his special beam cannon was.
Well that still wouldn't change what I said originally. It's hard to put it in words what a massive difference in power that would be from just a slight increase in power level. This
list shows the difference between each level of destructive capacity.
According to that it takes about 7 megatons to destroy a city so that's like an average nuclear bomb. We could use the 50 megaton for the world's strongest nuclear weapon. If you recall to destroy the moon requires 30 trillion megatons so that's 600 billion times more than the world's most powerful nuke. To keep it simple let's assume 100% Roshi was double King Piccolo's PL. That would mean King Piccolo needs to double his power level to increase his destructive capacity by 600 billion. That shouldn't make any sense because it wouldn't apply to any other occasion in the manga. If we tried applying that same scale for later characters then Raditz would be more than enough to destroy the sun. It's 164.913 tenatons to destroy the sun so if I understand that right then that would be about 5 billion times more than the energy needed to destroy the moon. Of course Raditz isn't a star buster so that scale only applies to King Piccolo and 100% Roshi which wouldn't make much sense either.
Personally I think Toriyama didn't care much about the actual size of the moon. King Piccolo even makes a big deal about showing off his power when he destroyed the city. Unless that city is bigger than the moon then no one should really be that impressed. The King could've "Just a city? Someone get Jackie Chun on the phone! That guy can destroy the moon!" or something like that. If you look at the panel where boss rabbit is on the moon, you can see where the surface curves in the background. It looks like it's only a few times bigger than King Kai's planet in size.
