But 100 and 99.999999999999... are the same thing.Rocketman wrote:Billy - 100
Super Vegetto - 99.999999999999...
SSG Goku - 50
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He is, he said so himselfTheGmGoken wrote:I sense a fanboy.Rocketman wrote:Billy - 100
Super Vegetto - 99.999999999999...
SSG Goku - 50
. Those numbers also don't work. The quote is that Beers is the strongest being in the history of Z without a doubt. This implies Beers is ahead by a decent margin.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
Well if fanboy power makes a character strong. Then Goten is stronger then Birsu and Whis combineTheMightyOzaru wrote:He is, he said so himselfTheGmGoken wrote:I sense a fanboy.Rocketman wrote:Billy - 100
Super Vegetto - 99.999999999999...
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
So if SSJ Vegetto is 99.99999999999999 which is the same as 100 and Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta then that means that Base Vegetto is 100/50 or 2 and that means that Goku and Vegeta are each about 1.41 which means that Goku SSJ3 is 1.41 * 400 which is roughly 565.68 which means Goku >>>>>>> DBZ-verse.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
IMO, Beers would be in the very high quintillions power levels wise, in the same tier as Omega and GT Gogeta (somewhat conservatively), while SS3 Vegetto is only 4 quintillion. And that's going by the Goku x Vegeta formula, since it's the only way the Baby Saga SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto statement from that one guidebook makes sense.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
I have Vegetto higher than SSJ4 Gogeta to be honest.RandomGuy96 wrote:IMO, Beers would be in the very high quintillions power levels wise, in the same tier as Omega and GT Gogeta (somewhat conservatively), while SS3 Vegetto is only 4 quintillion. And that's going by the Goku x Vegeta formula, since it's the only way the Baby Saga SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto statement from that one guidebook makes sense.
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Owww... my head hurtsDraken wrote:So if SSJ Vegetto is 99.99999999999999 which is the same as 100 and Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta then that means that Base Vegetto is 100/50 or 2 and that means that Goku and Vegeta are each about 1.41 which means that Goku SSJ3 is 1.41 * 400 which is roughly 565.68 which means Goku >>>>>>> DBZ-verse.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
How?TheGmGoken wrote:I have Vegetto higher than SSJ4 Gogeta to be honest.RandomGuy96 wrote:IMO, Beers would be in the very high quintillions power levels wise, in the same tier as Omega and GT Gogeta (somewhat conservatively), while SS3 Vegetto is only 4 quintillion. And that's going by the Goku x Vegeta formula, since it's the only way the Baby Saga SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto statement from that one guidebook makes sense.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
Yeah, that's completely impossible. The GT guidebooks established Baby Saga SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and the SEG establishes SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x 8. Old Kai also states SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto, and Goku implies Super Baby 1 > Super Vegetto. The guidebook is the absolute most generous source to Vegetto, so let's go with that for the moment.
Shadow Dragon Saga Goku is much stronger than Baby Saga Goku. So SDS SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto. Syn kicks that Goku's ass and then absorbs the dragon balls, after which he states that he's at least ten times stronger. He also tanks Goku's x10 Kamehameha IIRC.
So, in conclusion:
Baby Saga Goku =< Super Vegetto << SDS Goku < Syn Shenron < SS3 Vegetto (Super Vegetto x eight) < Omega Shenron (Syn Shenron x ten)
Omega Shenron would crush SS3 Vegetto's skull like a grape. Arguably Syn would be able to as well; it depends on how much stronger you think Goku got, and how you interpret the lines from Goku and Old Kai. Since SS4 Gogeta completely stomped Omega, it should be pretty obvious that he can finger flick Vegetto.
Shadow Dragon Saga Goku is much stronger than Baby Saga Goku. So SDS SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto. Syn kicks that Goku's ass and then absorbs the dragon balls, after which he states that he's at least ten times stronger. He also tanks Goku's x10 Kamehameha IIRC.
So, in conclusion:
Baby Saga Goku =< Super Vegetto << SDS Goku < Syn Shenron < SS3 Vegetto (Super Vegetto x eight) < Omega Shenron (Syn Shenron x ten)
Omega Shenron would crush SS3 Vegetto's skull like a grape. Arguably Syn would be able to as well; it depends on how much stronger you think Goku got, and how you interpret the lines from Goku and Old Kai. Since SS4 Gogeta completely stomped Omega, it should be pretty obvious that he can finger flick Vegetto.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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To make it fair I made Goku and Vegeta in the same power as they were in DBGT. So like they're in the same time period. GT Goku X GT Vegeta = Vegetto GT. That's what I always do. I think I should have mention that. That's what I did for SSG Goku vs Vegetto. I used BoG Goku and BoG Vegeta. Sorry for the confusionRandomGuy96 wrote:Yeah, that's completely impossible. The GT guidebooks established Baby Saga SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and the SEG establishes SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x 8. Old Kai also states SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto, and Goku implies Super Baby 1 > Super Vegetto. The guidebook is the absolute most generous source to Vegetto, so let's go with that for the moment.
Shadow Dragon Saga Goku is much stronger than Baby Saga Goku. So SDS SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto. Syn kicks that Goku's ass and then absorbs the dragon balls, after which he states that he's at least ten times stronger. He also tanks Goku's x10 Kamehameha IIRC.
So, in conclusion:
Baby Saga Goku =< Super Vegetto << SDS Goku < Syn Shenron < SS3 Vegetto (Super Vegetto x eight) < Omega Shenron (Syn Shenron x ten)
Omega Shenron would crush SS3 Vegetto's skull like a grape. Arguably Syn would be able to as well; it depends on how much stronger you think Goku got, and how you interpret the lines from Goku and Old Kai. Since SS4 Gogeta completely stomped Omega, it should be pretty obvious that he can finger flick Vegetto.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
What does he say? In which episode?RandomGuy96 wrote:Old Kai also states SS4 Goku > Super Vegetto
Not necessarily. Goku says about Super Baby 1 that he hasn't felt a Ki as awesome as his. But since Goku was Vegetto, does Goku's statement include himself? I doubt it, since I don't think he has to feel his own power.RandomGuy96 wrote:Goku implies Super Baby 1 > Super Vegetto
How?RandomGuy96 wrote:Shadow Dragon Saga Goku is much stronger than Baby Saga Goku
BTW, the Super Vegetto >= SS4 Goku statement was made when the Evil Dragons arc was airing in Japan, but before SS4 Vegeta's debut.
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Oh? I hadn't noticed.Draken wrote:But 100 and 99.999999999999... are the same thing.Rocketman wrote:Billy - 100
Super Vegetto - 99.999999999999...
SSG Goku - 50
Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
Well, now you do!Rocketman wrote:Oh? I hadn't noticed.Draken wrote:But 100 and 99.999999999999... are the same thing.Rocketman wrote:Billy - 100
Super Vegetto - 99.999999999999...
SSG Goku - 50
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Unless you make your own fan fiction, your opinion doesn't change the fact that the creators and owners of the Dragon Ball franchise state Beers is far ahead of Vegetto.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
My girlfriend makes a fanfic. May I recommend her to be your recorder . But in all seriousness. You're over rated Vegetto. As Muten Roshi said in Dragonball. There is always someone stronger. I'm sure the chain of power in Dragonball-DBZ never ends. You could do a potara fusion with Vegetto and Birsu and then do a fusion dance with Whis and there would be still someone strong enough to challenge him.
. But in all seriousness. You're over rated Vegetto. As Muten Roshi said in Dragonball. There is always someone stronger. I'm sure the chain of power in Dragonball-DBZ never ends. You could do a potara fusion with Vegetto and Birsu and then do a fusion dance with Whis and there would be still someone strong enough to challenge him.Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?
And George Lucas made Greedo shoot first, so y'know...Draken wrote:Unless you make your own fan fiction, your opinion doesn't change the fact that the creators and owners of the Dragon Ball franchise state Beers is far ahead of Vegetto.
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This would imply that Beerus is stronger than Whis as well. It's not true, so why does it have to be true in Vegetto's case?TheMightyOzaru wrote:The quote is that Beers is the strongest being in the history of Z without a doubt. This implies Beers is ahead by a decent margin.
You do realize that they're just example numbers, right? With Battle Power the results would differ greatly.Draken wrote:So if SSJ Vegetto is 99.99999999999999 which is the same as 100 and Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta then that means that Base Vegetto is 100/50 or 2 and that means that Goku and Vegeta are each about 1.41 which means that Goku SSJ3 is 1.41 * 400 which is roughly 565.68 which means Goku >>>>>>> DBZ-verse.
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I don't get why the artefacts of the highest gods have to be unsurpassable when said gods are totally shit.
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I don't get why the artifacts of the highest gods have to be unsurpassable when Kibito Kai was somehow still weaker than Goku.
Also, we don't really know how strong the Kaioshin were, just that East Kaioshin (who was way stronger than Piccolo) is complete trash compared to the others. But in terms of overall impressiveness, the Kaioshin don't seem too special. They're just plant people with high power levels a few unique abilities. What do they even do?
Also, we don't really know how strong the Kaioshin were, just that East Kaioshin (who was way stronger than Piccolo) is complete trash compared to the others. But in terms of overall impressiveness, the Kaioshin don't seem too special. They're just plant people with high power levels a few unique abilities. What do they even do?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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You do realize I was just joking, right?You do realize that they're just example numbers, right? With Battle Power the results would differ greatly.
Whis wasn't around in the history of Z, I'm quite certain they were just speaking of characters we know in the history of Z before BoG.This would imply that Beerus is stronger than Whis as well. It's not true, so why does it have to be true in Vegetto's case?