"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

For reference:

Best Characters
1.Son Goku: 6,235 points
2.Vegeta: 2,527 points
3.Son Gohan: 2,131 points
4.Trunks: 1,487 points
5.Piccolo: 1,176 points
6.Son Goten: 798 points
7.Kuririn: 736 points
8.Majin Buu: 421 points
9.Freeza: 324 points
10.Android No.18: 204 points
11.Mister Satan: 201 points
12.Karin-sama: 185
13.Kame-sennin: 172 points
14.Cell: 170 points
15.Yamcha: 163 points
16.Tenshinhan: 125
17.Bulma: 112 points
18.Android No.17: 98 points
19.Yajirobe: 93 points
20.Videl: 86 points

This poll is interesting; people always say that Goten isn't popular but he's #6 which surprises me. Plus I'm guessing they count Present/Future Trunks as one which explains him at #4

This poll was done way back when the Buu arc was fresh-er then it was now coupled with the fact Goten looks and acts like Goku so it isn't that surprising. He is I think the worst character that Toriyama ever came up with, at least in EoZ Goten showed hints of being an actual character but sadly EoZ wasn't that long.

This poll is from Dragon Ball Forever, which was 2004. The Buu Saga ended around 1995-96. So the Buu Saga would only be 'fresh' in the way that it was the last story arc of Z.

[precita]

I'm not sure why that surprises people. Trunks and Goten were treated as major characters in the Buu arc, plus they got focus in Movies 10-13, so of course they were popular at the time.

It's only that Super's portrayal of Trunks and Goten is SO BAD that people forget they used to be popular. Same reason the 2008 special was dedicated to Trunks and Goten.

[Jigurashi]

There must be a reason why so many fans still love Piccolo.

Yeah, he was friggin' fantastic in Z. He was an amazing villain in DB too.

I just started watching random fights from the Android/Cell saga and I got to his first encounter with Cell. The sense of relevance his character used to have and the importance Toei gave his scenes....it makes me want to start gnawing on my keyboard in frustration when I see his role in Super.

He will always be pretty popular for this franchise, but yeah, if he keeps getting scraps things aren't looking great for him.

Eh. He had a great fight against Goku in the 23rd Budokai but he really wasn't anything special as a villain in DB as a whole imo.

[ArchedThunder]

Ken Xyro @KenXyro
Possible spoilers about new form:

It involves awakening the original "brutal and cruel" Saiyan genes.

Take this with a grain of salt.

If this becomes true, then it would be a good chance to explain SSJ Ikari or Berserker form, could be related to it.

Where is this rumor coming from and where did the rumor GohitaAF posted come from? 2ch?

[Noah]

It's only that Super's portrayal of Trunks and Goten is SO BAD that people forget they used to be popular. Same reason the 2008 special was dedicated to Trunks and Goten.

They are bad mainly because the writters don't know what to do with them, I thought Super would be interesting too see characters aging until EoZ, especially the kids, something like this:



Credits goes to Kaboom

He is I think the worst character that Toriyama ever came up with, at least in EoZ Goten showed hints of being an actual character but sadly EoZ wasn't that long.

Wouldn't you think GT Goten was also his own character?

[shadowmaria]

Take with an eighteen wheeler of salt

[BlueBasilisk]

I am super suspicious of that "Vegeta has a tail" business. Sounds a lot like SS4 wishful thinking to me.

[Grimlock]

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Whenever I see that image, I'm filled with sadness and feel a great pity for Dragon Ball Super, Goten, Trunks and Marron. Why can't everyone do the right thing with them?

[Noah]

I would love if the Saiyans got their tails back, but this of course would contradict EoZ and GT, but it's not like Super care about that

Whenever I see that image, I'm filled with sadness and feel a great pity for Dragon Ball Super and Goten and Trunks. Why can't everyone do the right thing with them?

I have this same question too, Why keep it in the confort zone? Their current design are appealing to the kids audience, that's why Toriyama/Toyotaro/Toei show disinterest in aging them show disinterest

[Grimlock]

Oh, by the way Marron is 9, not 10.

EDIT: Actually Goten and Trunks are also one year younger than what the image tells us.

[shadowmaria]

I would love if the Saiyans got their tails back, but this of course would contradict EoZ and GT, but it's not like Super care about that

Out of curiosity, what is it in Super that has contradicted the EoZ aside from the five years line, and Vegeta knowing about Uub years in advance?

[TheOne]

Take with an eighteen wheeler of salt

Honestly? I wouldn't be too surprised if that were that case. Seeing as how Goku was been portrayed as "evil" at the beginning, it'd fit I suppose.

[Simere]

Take with an eighteen wheeler of salt

Honestly? I wouldn't be too surprised if that were that case. Seeing as how Goku was been portrayed as "evil" at the beginning, it'd fit I suppose.

Assuming the supposed leaks true, that stuff about genes was said about Vegeta; Xyro's reason for connecting it to Goku's form has almost no basis.

[Hawk9211]

I am super suspicious of that "Vegeta has a tail" business. Sounds a lot like SS4 wishful thinking to me.

Nooo,I always hated tails.Good thing toei and toriyama are lazy

[shadowmaria]

Take with an eighteen wheeler of salt

Honestly? I wouldn't be too surprised if that were that case. Seeing as how Goku was been portrayed as "evil" at the beginning, it'd fit I suppose.

Assuming the supposed leaks true, that stuff about genes was said about Vegeta; Xyro's reason for connecting it to Goku's form has almost no basis.

I haven't been able to locate the leaks. Are you able to provide a link? I'd love a read of them, if only for a laugh.

Remember that the last few months, leaks have risen before any scans, and some things have proven to be true

[Simere]

Assuming the supposed leaks true, that stuff about genes was said about Vegeta; Xyro's reason for connecting it to Goku's form has almost no basis.

I haven't been able to locate the leaks. Are you able to provide a link? I'd love a read of them, if only for a laugh.

Remember that the last few months, leaks have risen before any scans, and some things have proven to be true

Psykomatik has the link to the 2ch thread where they came from, and translated a few snippets. I haven't seen anyone else bother to translate it all.

[shadowmaria]

Assuming the supposed leaks true, that stuff about genes was said about Vegeta; Xyro's reason for connecting it to Goku's form has almost no basis.

I haven't been able to locate the leaks. Are you able to provide a link? I'd love a read of them, if only for a laugh.

Remember that the last few months, leaks have risen before any scans, and some things have proven to be true

Psykomatik has the link to the 2ch thread where they came from, and translated a few snippets. I haven't seen anyone else bother to translate it all.

Thanks for that

[alakazam^]

Assuming the supposed leaks true, that stuff about genes was said about Vegeta; Xyro's reason for connecting it to Goku's form has almost no basis.

I haven't been able to locate the leaks. Are you able to provide a link? I'd love a read of them, if only for a laugh.

Remember that the last few months, leaks have risen before any scans, and some things have proven to be true

Psykomatik has the link to the 2ch thread where they came from, and translated a few snippets. I haven't seen anyone else bother to translate it all.

I'm not sure if it's said user's expectations but, regardless, no one in that thread is talking about it so I would just ignore the "leaks". They don't make sense anyway.

[Ki Breaker]

Vegeta transforms into a something screaming SS4 and being stronger than Goku, then Goku transforms into a Neko Saiyan right after?
Yeah.. no.. this seems more like a Vegeta fan trying to make his SS4 and stonger than Goku wishes come true..

[Yomi]

Y'all still looking at percentages and thinking you know how the audience feels about the episode ? Really ?

At this point, I just like to believe the fanbase is parodying itself... I have never been part of such a ridiculous fanbase in my life, sub vs dub, Kai dub vs Z that is all nothing compared to what I have witnessed since Super. I have been part of the problem too for sure especially at the start but then one day I came to stark realisation, I pray one day a majority of the fan base have a similar epiphany.

It only gets ridiculous when they say stuff like. "Low ratings this week, guess the Japanese fans didn't like [insert plot point that that you would had to have watched the episode to see]"