Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

[hleV]

You do realize that they're just example numbers, right? With Battle Power the results would differ greatly.

You do realize I was just joking, right?

No, because you didn't make it obvious.

[Draken]

You do realize that they're just example numbers, right? With Battle Power the results would differ greatly.

You do realize I was just joking, right?

No, because you didn't make it obvious.

Seemed pretty obvious to me. Considering I'm sure you know I believe Goku < Gohan/Gotenks/Buuhan/Buutenks etc etc, and my Goku >>>>>> DBZ-Verse comment at the end.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The quote is that Beers is the strongest being in the history of Z without a doubt. This implies Beers is ahead by a decent margin.

This would imply that Beerus is stronger than Whis as well. It's not true, so why does it have to be true in Vegetto's case?

Whis isn't part of the history of Z. The history of Z implies anything preceding BoG.

[hleV]

Whis isn't part of the history of Z. The history of Z implies anything preceding BoG.

BOG is Z. So it's a part of the history of Z.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Whis isn't part of the history of Z. The history of Z implies anything preceding BoG.

BOG is Z. So it's a part of the history of Z.

It's logically supposed to be interpreted the way we've been interpreting it. History of Z is all of Z up to this point. BoG is not included in such a statement. You can up with any excuse you like, it doesn't change the fact that this statement supports Beers > Vegetto.

[Kamiccolo9]

Whis isn't part of the history of Z. The history of Z implies anything preceding BoG.

BOG is Z. So it's a part of the history of Z.

The line about him being the strongest in the history of Z was in a promotion for the movie, not the movie itself. The movie wasn't out yet. There is no contradiction there.

[hleV]

Whis isn't part of the history of Z. The history of Z implies anything preceding BoG.

BOG is Z. So it's a part of the history of Z.

The line about him being the strongest in the history of Z was in a promotion for the movie, not the movie itself. The movie wasn't out yet. There is no contradiction there.

Both Beerus and Whis were already introduced and were obviously a part of history of Z already.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Both Beerus and Whis were already introduced and were obviously a part of history of Z already.

No, the history of Z states all of Z up to this point.

[miguelnuva1]

Whis being stronger then Bills was a surprise and retcon for the movie. Vegito doesn't get the same luxury.

[hleV]

Both Beerus and Whis were already introduced and were obviously a part of history of Z already.

No, the history of Z states all of Z up to this point.

"History of Z" is not equal to "history of Z up to this point".

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Whis, Beers, SSG Goku, SS4 Gogeta, and Super Yi Xing Long are all proven stronger than SS3 Vegetto, and there are probably even stronger guys than those 5 in the other Universes. Even if you ignore the "Beers is the strongest in the history of Z" statement.

[hleV]

Just pointing out that that statement is unreliable.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Just pointing out that that statement is unreliable.

By your logic. But even without statement, Vegetto isn't in the "Big 5" of the franchise.

[hleV]

I have manga-Vegetto as Goku x Vegeta (SEG -- manga-focused guidebook), and anime-Vegetto (base or SS, doesn't matter) as perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku (GT Perfect Files -- anime-focused guidebook).

BOG is anime. Go figure.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Both Beerus and Whis were already introduced and were obviously a part of history of Z already.

No, the history of Z states all of Z up to this point.

"History of Z" is not equal to "history of Z up to this point".

Yes it does, do I have to define history for you?
History: The past events relating to a particular thing.
BoG isn't the past it's the present as of the statement supporting Beers > Vegetto.

I have manga-Vegetto as Goku x Vegeta (SEG -- manga-focused guidebook), and anime-Vegetto (base or SS, doesn't matter) as perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku (GT Perfect Files -- anime-focused guidebook).

BOG is anime. Go figure.

It's also something manga fans and anime fans can enjoy and is directly connected to the manga by Toriyama. Even if you don't consider the movie itself canon, Toriyama directly connects Beers to his manga and therefore is stronger than even Manga Vegetto. Also, guess what? SSJ4 GT Goku can still be slightly inferior to an A x B Vegetto .

[hleV]

Beerus and Whis became part of Z's history the moment they were introduced.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Beerus and Whis became part of Z's history the moment they were introduced.

I'm done arguing with you. You clearly don't know what the word past means. Here lets put these 2 definitions side by side:
History: The past events relating to a particular thing.
Past: The time or a period of time before the moment of speaking or writing.

[Rocketman]

To respond to your signature: Nameks were established from the beginning as having magical powers. Saiyans were not. To suddenly give Saiyans magical powers in a retcon just so ~*~*~*GOKU*~*~*~ can get a nice big powerup to put him above all those silly willy not-goku characters like Buu/Uub, Gotenks, Mystic Gohan and Gogeta/Vegetto....well, it's shit.


Also BoG is part of the shitty-ass Goku-sucking anime, so pbbbbbt.

[RandomGuy96]

At least the cat god is still not in the least bit threatened by Goku and is toying with him the entire time.

But yeah, it seems like everyone's trying to pretend that Gohan's Ultimate power up just never happened, because no one can accept that he makes every other character effectively useless and should stomp any villain that Goku would have a chance at. Toei gets around that by just saying "Nuh uh, Toriyama knows shit, Goku is totally above this little shit stain" (Movie 13, Anime) or just pulling a big power up for Goku right out of their asses (GT, Movie 14).

[TheMightyOzaru]

Also BoG is part of the shitty-ass Goku-sucking anime, so pbbbbbt.

It's also part of the manga since Toriyama connect it to his manga with the whole Kaio planet thing . I also love how you're still calling this movie a Goku dick suck when Goku loses .