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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:47 pm

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Cetra wrote:Get ready for Dragon Ball Z Broly rises again.
I would shit a brick then throw it and bust the rear window of AT's house if that ever happen. Broli would only show up in this movie if Toei forces the idea down AT's ass in order to make it happen. Having him show up in the movie would create huge plot holes given that Movie 8 and 10 don't fit into the main timeline at all.
Why do you keep abbreviating his name like that? I find it rude and inconsiderate to address someone in that manner without consulting them first.
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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:50 pm

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Cetra wrote:Get ready for Dragon Ball Z Broly rises again.
I would shit a brick then throw it and bust the rear window of AT's house if that ever happen. Broli would only show up in this movie if Toei forces the idea down AT's ass in order to make it happen. Having him show up in the movie would create huge plot holes given that Movie 8 and 10 don't fit into the main timeline at all.
Why do you keep abbreviating his name like that? I find it rude and inconsiderate to address someone in that manner without consulting them first.
Its a long name to type. Its more convient to do so if it's for brief context in just referencial purposes.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:57 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Its a long name to type. Its more convient to do so if it's for brief context in just referencial purposes.
So, it's convenient to disrespect someones name because you're too lazy to type two words? Cut the crap.
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Post by Low Tone G » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:59 pm

I would definitely love if Vegeta became a main protagonist for once, but having Goku on the poster it doesn't let me hope this. Maybe in the next movie in 2017. :P
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:13 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Its a long name to type. Its more convient to do so if it's for brief context in just referencial purposes.
So, it's convenient to disrespect someones name because you're too lazy to type two words? Cut the crap.
It's simple abbreviation. So?
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Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Cetra » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:22 pm

Telling people to get off of their high horses or they may not pretend anything or them having superficial needs which are the reason for their behaviour is as disrespectful as the behaviour you don't accept and want to stop. You say "Don't say someone may not do something" but at the same time do the same thing tell him he may not say something. Editing your post to not be that insulting was a good thing to do but it is still pretty harsh.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:25 pm

Cetra wrote:Telling people to get off of their high horses or they may not pretend anything or them having superficial needs which are the reason for their behaviour is as disrespectful as the behaviour you don't accept and want to stop. You say "Don't say someone may not do something" but at the same time do the same thing tell him he may not say something. Editing your post to not be that insulting was a good thing to do but it is still pretty harsh.
Valid point, though I'm really trying to be polite about it. But a peeve becomes an insult when you are told to "cut the crap" after giving an honest speculative answer to their nitpicked peeve. I don't see why this has to be an issue myself really, and the condescending superficial attitude of some users here over the preference of how a frivolous conversation should be conducted is seriously getting on my nerves.
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Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Low Tone G wrote:I would definitely love if Vegeta became a main protagonist for once, but having Goku on the poster it doesn't let me hope this. Maybe in the next movie in 2017. :P
Goku being in the movie and poster doesn't mean vegeta won't be the protagonist like what toriyama said or at least have as big of a role as goku
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:05 pm

About Tadayoshi Yamamuro being a director

To be honest, I never cared about the technical stuff but seeing some people get scared of his promotion, I got curious to know his work. I went to the animation guide here on kanzenshuu and from the shots I saw, i watched some scenes and they looked good to me. Can you give me a example why you guys are so scared of his work?!
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:11 pm

Chuquita wrote:If you wanted, you could have it where the ssjg power gets upset at being trapped inside him, possesses him and wreaks havoc, but that feels too far-fetched because you'd think a power summoned by "pure hearts" would be super-understanding and "no sweat it".
Or perhaps the Gods themselves are angry for Beerus not carrying out his objective - or they are angery at Goku being unofficially elevated without formal permission. I wouldnt like the idea of the God Ki being sentient, that would be weird as hell, if we then wanted to go down a Naruto route.
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Dbzk1999 wrote: Or REBOOT REBOOT make him into a better character
Anyways you can have toei broly and then toriyama broly (happened with bardock)
Toriyama's Broly would get a lot of hate from Broly fanboys.
"What the are doing to Broly?!" "Another character ruined." It would be fun.
Broly has had his run, his relevence has been long dried up - even more so than Freeza's. He had 2 chances and failed both times. Hes not even a solid plot device anymore with nothing in him that would progress the current state of the story IMO.

Its not imopssible to reboot broly. I had done so hypothetically before but, it just gets repetitive. SSJGod broly wouldnt beat Goku, SSJ 4 - 10 wouldn't beat Goku.

On account of Broly fanboys, it wouldnt be possible to ruin a character that has no character to begin with, any retcon to his character would be an improvement as long as its still consistent with Paragus who is the real antagonist.

Though the only characters I could see being relevant and perfectly useful to retcon would be Janemba or Buu to be honest. Dimension hoppers, being made of evil-spirit - if they ever got to the God realm, and somehow got a God ki by possessing a God they would be unstoppable.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Seems like this new Toriyama is planning things ahead and I'm loving that. Something big will happen 3 years later because Beerus, a guy who loves sleeping, will have his smallest nap. Probably Toriyama wants to introduce some news characters for whats coming later?! Like i said, we never know.
The fact that Toriyama is indeed planning this out might be the best thing we've ever heard, if he actually has drafts, discussions, collaborations and reference material, that by itself would insure more quality hes ever given us over his usual method of just winging it or tweaking someome else's story. His editors usually have better plot ideas than he does though to be honest. He just designs better characters.
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Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:21 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Its a long name to type. Its more convient to do so if it's for brief context in just referencial purposes.
So, it's convenient to disrespect someones name because you're too lazy to type two words? Cut the crap.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:24 pm

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AnimeMaakuo wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Its a long name to type. Its more convient to do so if it's for brief context in just referencial purposes.
So, it's convenient to disrespect someones name because you're too lazy to type two words? Cut the crap.
....Get over yourself
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:54 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:About Tadayoshi Yamamuro being a director

To be honest, I never cared about the technical stuff but seeing some people get scared of his promotion, I got curious to know his work. I went to the animation guide here on kanzenshuu and from the shots I saw, i watched some scenes and they looked good to me. Can you give me a example why you guys are so scared of his work?!
That was twenty years ago. He's still a pretty good animator, but his practices as character designer and chief animation supervisor are too homogenized. This might be an edict of Toei Animation, but Yamamuro's designs are still not what they used to be. This will also be his first time directing a film, despite never having directed a TV episode let alone a TV series.
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Post by MagicBox » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:54 am

I would really like to give my opinion on Yamamuro's promotion to director, but I simply don't know what to think.

On one hand, the guy has decades of experience with Dragon Ball. You definitely want someone like that. On the other hand, that alone isn't enough for him to effectively take the helm of such a big project, especially when he's had no prior experience in this position. On the other hand, if his enthusiasm for the story and its characters is enough to re-invigorate his passion so that he might once again work some real creative magic, then I'd be excited to see where his ambition takes us. On the other hand, being a director is more than just caring about your story. You have to be able to utilize the talent at your disposal to produce something great, and nearly everything Jacob has said about his lack of ability/willingness to assemble the right animators for his recent jobs gives me plenty of reason to worry. Besides, a few of the man's creative decisions have left me flabbergasted (designing Super Saiyan God with huge muscles and a cape?). On the OTHER hand, this might give someone else a chance as animation supervisor, which would be a welcome change. On the OTHER hand, Yamamuro's still leading the entire production, so I have no reason to believe the character designs or animation will look any different.

Gah, I just feel like I have such an abusive relationship with this man. "Battle Of Gods" could have looked so much better, and I definitely agree that the man's work simply isn't what it used to be. But I just have so much love for his earlier Dragon Ball and Digimon work that I would be sad if he wasn't involved at all.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:44 am

AnimeMaakuo wrote:
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Cetra wrote:Get ready for Dragon Ball Z Broly rises again.
I would shit a brick then throw it and bust the rear window of AT's house if that ever happen. Broli would only show up in this movie if Toei forces the idea down AT's ass in order to make it happen. Having him show up in the movie would create huge plot holes given that Movie 8 and 10 don't fit into the main timeline at all.
Why do you keep abbreviating his name like that? I find it rude and inconsiderate to address someone in that manner without consulting them first.
To be fair you finding it rude and Akira Toriyama finding it rude are two different things. I personally use AT myself from time to time as the name is long and his last name is difficult for me myself to spell without stopping my current post and going to look up the name somewhere else.

As long as people know who I'm talking about and Akira Toriyama doesn't come tell me it's disrespectful I'll keep using AT.

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Post by hleV » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:36 am

I suppose using A. Toriyama and Akira T. would count half as disrespectful then? I wouldn't have a problem with my name used in a form of initials on a discussion forum and I don't see why anyone would.

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Post by Hujio » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:55 am

Alright, let's cut the sarcastic remarks back and forth about Akira Toriyama's difficult name spelling before we have to start handing out warnings. There's no need to derail a thread over such things. Just move on, be super shōnen about it, and respect your fellow fans and the creator of the series we're all here to discuss. Thanks!
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:26 pm

MagicBox wrote:I would really like to give my opinion on Yamamuro's promotion to director, but I simply don't know what to think.

On one hand, the guy has decades of experience with Dragon Ball. You definitely want someone like that. On the other hand, that alone isn't enough for him to effectively take the helm of such a big project, especially when he's had no prior experience in this position. On the other hand, if his enthusiasm for the story and its characters is enough to re-invigorate his passion so that he might once again work some real creative magic, then I'd be excited to see where his ambition takes us. On the other hand, being a director is more than just caring about your story. You have to be able to utilize the talent at your disposal to produce something great, and nearly everything Jacob has said about his lack of ability/willingness to assemble the right animators for his recent jobs gives me plenty of reason to worry. Besides, a few of the man's creative decisions have left me flabbergasted (designing Super Saiyan God with huge muscles and a cape?). On the OTHER hand, this might give someone else a chance as animation supervisor, which would be a welcome change. On the OTHER hand, Yamamuro's still leading the entire production, so I have no reason to believe the character designs or animation will look any different.

Gah, I just feel like I have such an abusive relationship with this man. "Battle Of Gods" could have looked so much better, and I definitely agree that the man's work simply isn't what it used to be. But I just have so much love for his earlier Dragon Ball and Digimon work that I would be sad if he wasn't involved at all.
Despite Yamamuro being the animation supervisor, he was able to assemble the talents to work on the Ultimate Blast opening. He got Tate, Shida, Oonishi, and other guys to animate it and it came out pretty stunningly beautiful. I wonder if Yamamuro being promoted to the director indicates that he's more willing to get more talents to take on the movie project...
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:50 pm

Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
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Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:22 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
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