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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm

The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:22 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball
I don't think that was out of character for her. Her appearance as an adult was altered to look less villain-like, but in a world where her friends Pilaf and Shu were killed by some super powerful villain, I could see her seeking meaning in life resisting that evil force. Plus, in the Super universe, we know she got a second chance at childhood, and the worst she's done is some mild mischief. Heck, evil in the original Dragon Ball her small gang was always more goofy than evil.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:42 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:22 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball
I don't think that was out of character for her. Her appearance as an adult was altered to look less villain-like, but in a world where her friends Pilaf and Shu were killed by some super powerful villain, I could see her seeking meaning in life resisting that evil force. Plus, in the Super universe, we know she got a second chance at childhood, and the worst she's done is some mild mischief. Heck, evil in the original Dragon Ball her small gang was always more goofy than evil.
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Post by precita » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:00 pm

Mai was only incompetent because she hung around Pilaf. Also there's no reason character development can't exist, otherwise Vegeta/Piccolo would be the same now as their first appearances. Mai can have development even though most of it was off-screen.

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:00 am

precita wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:00 pm Mai was only incompetent because she hung around Pilaf. Also there's no reason character development can't exist, otherwise Vegeta/Piccolo would be the same now as their first appearances. Mai can have development even though most of it was off-screen.
They were also highly outmatched. They had mechs armed with missiles, and Goku wouldn't even be phased by it. Ironic, since Future Mai was basically doing the sane thing with Black. Some things never change.

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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:05 am

Mai being incompetent would have come across as insulting while playing her as a drama character in an arc with no other female characters. I'm glad that we got to see something so different and rule-breaking for her character during the Future Trunks arc.
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MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball
No the worst part was making Mai survive a direct KI blast from Goku Black, which should have absolutely pulverized her. Plot armor at its finest.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by TobyS » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:56 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:04 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball
No the worst part was making Mai survive a direct KI blast from Goku Black, which should have absolutely pulverized her. Plot armor at its finest.
He blasts the balcony she's on, with the most casual of blasts, it detonates on the balcony not her, and even then she's still dying till Trunks heals her.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:21 am

TobyS wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:56 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:04 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:38 pm The worst part was making Mai a bad ass resistance lady. As if nobody saw the original Dragon Ball
No the worst part was making Mai survive a direct KI blast from Goku Black, which should have absolutely pulverized her. Plot armor at its finest.
He blasts the balcony she's on, with the most casual of blasts, it detonates on the balcony not her, and even then she's still dying till Trunks heals her.
Bruh I'm talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g_dXRidJM
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by precita » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:58 pm

Goku Black was holding back.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:06 pm

precita wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:58 pm Goku Black was holding back.
Ah Yes he was holding back despite the fact that he had clear killing intent, as in the following episode he tells Trunks that he will send him to where he sent Mai (as in he thinks he killed Mai).

And by the way don't make me laugh :lol: Even if Black was using only 0.1% of his power, that should have been far more than enough to defeat an OG DB character.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by precita » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:59 pm

It's quite likely the ki blast hit the ground in front of her and she was only pushed back by the explosion. Goku Black was toying with Trunks and didn't want to kill Mai so quickly. Either that or she had been secretly training.

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Post by TobyS » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:15 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:21 am
TobyS wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:56 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:04 am

No the worst part was making Mai survive a direct KI blast from Goku Black, which should have absolutely pulverized her. Plot armor at its finest.
He blasts the balcony she's on, with the most casual of blasts, it detonates on the balcony not her, and even then she's still dying till Trunks heals her.
Bruh I'm talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g_dXRidJM
Well it's not in both mediums so it's not in the outline so it's anime filler who cares 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:33 am

TobyS wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:15 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:21 am
TobyS wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:56 am

He blasts the balcony she's on, with the most casual of blasts, it detonates on the balcony not her, and even then she's still dying till Trunks heals her.
Bruh I'm talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g_dXRidJM
Well it's not in both mediums so it's not in the outline so it's anime filler who cares 🤷🏻‍♂️
I care because the anime is its own continuity and isn't filler?

Like imagine saying "who cares about the anime" when it's literally been the main product for years :eh:
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:38 am

To say nothing of the fact that the anime has staff that are all really good at their jobs. Meanwhile the comic is drawn and co-written by a guy that can't storyboard or draw.
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Post by TheSaiyanGod » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:05 pm

New information about the movie will be released at Comic Con, July 23rd

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/special/sdcc2021/

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Post by Sikat » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:47 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:38 am To say nothing of the fact that the anime has staff that are all really good at their jobs. Meanwhile the comic is drawn and co-written by a guy that can't storyboard or draw.
Wasn’t the anime notorious for having really horrible animation/art, and questionable writing decisions like building up to stuff that never got pay off or non-sensical lore comprehension, scaling, and asspulls?
TheSaiyanGod wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:05 pm New information about the movie will be released at Comic Con, July 23rd

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/special/sdcc2021/
It’s going to be a long two weeks.

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Post by TheSaiyanGod » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:23 pm

Trying to be cautiously optimistic, but there has to be something relevant on the panel, right? I mean, based on the description of the event given by the website and the content that was said to be discussed. They mention "hottest info" and say there will be "tons of exciting news", so I imagine we'll know at least something about the movie instead of just vague discussions. The behind the scenes part probably will provide more information about the movie as well (I hope, at least)

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Post by PremiumSalt » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:25 pm

I'm predicting a title reveal, and the title will have the villains name in it like DBS Broly. It will almost certainly be an already existing character, imo.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:58 pm

Sikat wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:47 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:38 am To say nothing of the fact that the anime has staff that are all really good at their jobs. Meanwhile the comic is drawn and co-written by a guy that can't storyboard or draw.
Wasn’t the anime notorious for having really horrible animation/art, and questionable writing decisions like building up to stuff that never got pay off or non-sensical lore comprehension, scaling, and asspulls?
TheSaiyanGod wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:05 pm New information about the movie will be released at Comic Con, July 23rd

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/special/sdcc2021/
It’s going to be a long two weeks.
Considering the dire production schedule the inconsistent quality of the cartoon is not exactly a surprise. That being said, it still housed talented directors, writers and animators that produced good work before, during and after Super. Toyo-tarou, as evidenced by being the only artist and a co-writer to Toriyama, has consistently proven to not be capable of producing good work outside of the odd panel. Like, his paneling is consistently bad. He shoves a thousand panels onto a page, draws physical movement from awkward positions that make his characters look like they're missing bones and drags out battle scenes forever without really increasing the intensity.

I'm insanely critical of the anime, in particular Toei Animation's greed and poor scheduling giving the series zero time and staff all to fulfil executives' capitalistic desires. I still find the rushed, haggardly strewn together TV episodes far more entertaining and rejuvenating that Toyo-tarou's comic.
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