Unpopular DB opinions

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac" characterization.

Goku was established as a "fighting maniac" even as far as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai where he stopped Kami from helping him beat Piccolo simply because he wanted to win the tournament legitimately (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the rules since killing is prohibited) and fed him a senzu after beating him so he can have a rival.

Fights in Dragon Ball Z became a rather lackluster after (and maybe during) Freeza saga. Mainly because almost every non_Saiyan character become useless, and instead of martial arts we have a ki-blast battles. Battles during Cell Saga are particularly jarring, because most of them painfully one-sided. In Cell and Buu sagas I don't remember any clever strategies, any new creative techniques... At they best, they're well animated. At they worst, they're really boring.

It doesn't mean, that Buu and Cell sagas don't have any good battles. We have some exceptions, #16 vs Cell, for example. But, it's a shame, that majority of battles are dull.

Shunkan Idou, Eye Beam, Android Barrier, Hellzone Grenade, Hell's Flash, Rocket Punch, Candy beam, Madusa spit, mystical sword, absorption, Galactic Donuts, and Super Ghost Kamakize Attack.

-Vegeta allowing #19 to absorb him so he can rib his hands off
-Piccolo catching Dr. Gero off-guard by suppressing then going full-force at the last second
-#18 purposely making Vegeta waste his energy
-Piccolo playing possum against Cell
-#16 playing possum against Cell
-Cell playing possum against the androids
-Cell goading Vegeta into letting him become perfect
-Vegeta goading Cell into tanking his Final Flash
-Cell exploiting the weakness of Trunks' "new" transformation
-Goku's Warp Kamehameha
-Goku killing Yakon by purposely feeding him too much energy
-Fat Boo trapping Vegeta into his skin wrap
-Bootenks' various mindgames on Gohan
-Booccolo tricking Goku into letting absorb Gohan at the last second with his missing antenna

[WobbuSleuth]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac" characterization.

Goku was established as a "fighting maniac" even as far as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai where he stopped Kami from helping him beat Piccolo simply because he wanted to win the tournament legitimately (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the rules since killing is prohibited) and fed him a senzu after beating him so he can have a rival.

Fights in Dragon Ball Z became a rather lackluster after (and maybe during) Freeza saga. Mainly because almost every non_Saiyan character become useless, and instead of martial arts we have a ki-blast battles. Battles during Cell Saga are particularly jarring, because most of them painfully one-sided. In Cell and Buu sagas I don't remember any clever strategies, any new creative techniques... At they best, they're well animated. At they worst, they're really boring.

It doesn't mean, that Buu and Cell sagas don't have any good battles. We have some exceptions, #16 vs Cell, for example. But, it's a shame, that majority of battles are dull.

Shunkan Idou, Eye Beam, Android Barrier, Hellzone Grenade, Hell's Flash, Rocket Punch, Candy beam, Madusa spit, mystical sword, absorption, Galactic Donuts, and Super Ghost Kamakize Attack.

-Vegeta allowing #19 to absorb him so he can rib his hands off
-Piccolo catching Dr. Gero off-guard by suppressing then going full-force at the last second
-#18 purposely making Vegeta waste his energy
-Piccolo playing possum against Cell
-#16 playing possum against Cell
-Cell playing possum against the androids
-Cell goading Vegeta into letting him become perfect
-Vegeta goading Cell into tanking his Final Flash
-Cell exploiting the weakness of Trunks' "new" transformation
-Goku's Warp Kamehameha
-Goku killing Yakon by purposely feeding him too much energy
-Fat Boo trapping Vegeta into his skin wrap
-Bootenks' various mindgames on Gohan
-Booccolo tricking Goku into letting absorb Gohan at the last second with his missing antenna

Many of these attacks are indeed cool, but eye beams? Really? Piccolo have those during 23rd Budokai already! And even if we think about it, many of these attacks or some form of ki-blast, or a villain technique.

Hmm, yeah, I forgot many of those, but even then it's not on the same level like Budokais or Freeza arc, in my opinion.

[WobbuSleuth]

I also think some of the filler improves the overall characterization and experience of Dragon Ball. I like a lot of the extra Snake Way stuff, and the extra bits with Gohan training.

I agree with your opinion. These fillers make Saiyan arc more interesting and balanced. And even more mature sometimes. (Orphans filler and Dinosaur-friend filler)
And fillers greatly improved Boo arc, which was really uninspired in manga.

[RisanF]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac" characterization.

Goku was established as a "fighting maniac" even as far as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai where he stopped Kami from helping him beat Piccolo simply because he wanted to win the tournament legitimately (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the rules since killing is prohibited) and fed him a senzu after beating him so he can have a rival.

Yeah, this is part of why I said Kid Goku was better than Adult Goku, since we only started getting this new characterization at the 23rd Budokai. But even then, we still got Goku's early stint at fatherhood in Z, and his emotional monologue at discover that HE killed his grandpa. Right now in Super, Goku seems even more emotionally detached, and is often portrayed as nothing BUT a fighting maniac. Without the emotional moments to balance him, Goku's flaws feel exaggerated and draw too much attention for a character that wasn't written to be this complicated.

I agree with your opinion. These fillers make Saiyan arc more interesting and balanced. And even more mature sometimes. (Orphans filler and Dinosaur-friend filler)
And fillers greatly improved Boo arc, which was really uninspired in manga.

Yeah, even the Princess Snake stuff shows Goku's love for his family when she peeks into his mind. I'm not sure if that a characterization we'd see now.

[kinisking]

Yeah, but is that really an unpopular opinion? I mean, the first thing we got in Z was Goku doting over his kid, and it's Cell saga where the series really settled on the "Goku the fighting maniac" characterization.

Goku was established as a "fighting maniac" even as far as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai where he stopped Kami from helping him beat Piccolo simply because he wanted to win the tournament legitimately (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the rules since killing is prohibited) and fed him a senzu after beating him so he can have a rival.

Yeah, this is part of why I said Kid Goku was better than Adult Goku, since we only started getting this new characterization at the 23rd Budokai. But even then, we still got Goku's early stint at fatherhood in Z, and his emotional monologue at discover that HE killed his grandpa. Right now in Super, Goku seems even more emotionally detached, and is often portrayed as nothing BUT a fighting maniac. Without the emotional moments to balance him, Goku's flaws feel exaggerated and draw too much attention for a character that wasn't written to be this complicated.

I agree with your opinion. These fillers make Saiyan arc more interesting and balanced. And even more mature sometimes. (Orphans filler and Dinosaur-friend filler)
And fillers greatly improved Boo arc, which was really uninspired in manga.

Yeah, even the Princess Snake stuff shows Goku's love for his family when she peeks into his mind. I'm not sure if that a characterization we'd see now.

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

[Kanassa]

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

Since we have a lot more slice of life and downtime in Super, we do get to see Goku enjoy family life more. Hell, one of my favourite moments is Goku reacting to Gohan not joining the tournament.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku was established as a "fighting maniac" even as far as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai where he stopped Kami from helping him beat Piccolo simply because he wanted to win the tournament legitimately (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the rules since killing is prohibited) and fed him a senzu after beating him so he can have a rival.

Yeah, this is part of why I said Kid Goku was better than Adult Goku, since we only started getting this new characterization at the 23rd Budokai. But even then, we still got Goku's early stint at fatherhood in Z, and his emotional monologue at discover that HE killed his grandpa. Right now in Super, Goku seems even more emotionally detached, and is often portrayed as nothing BUT a fighting maniac. Without the emotional moments to balance him, Goku's flaws feel exaggerated and draw too much attention for a character that wasn't written to be this complicated.

Yeah, even the Princess Snake stuff shows Goku's love for his family when she peeks into his mind. I'm not sure if that a characterization we'd see now.

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

Or working as a part time security guard. I mean, that was basically charity work. And with that in mind, was it ever implied in the original story that Goku had any kind of job?

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah, this is part of why I said Kid Goku was better than Adult Goku, since we only started getting this new characterization at the 23rd Budokai. But even then, we still got Goku's early stint at fatherhood in Z, and his emotional monologue at discover that HE killed his grandpa. Right now in Super, Goku seems even more emotionally detached, and is often portrayed as nothing BUT a fighting maniac. Without the emotional moments to balance him, Goku's flaws feel exaggerated and draw too much attention for a character that wasn't written to be this complicated.



Yeah, even the Princess Snake stuff shows Goku's love for his family when she peeks into his mind. I'm not sure if that a characterization we'd see now.

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

Or working as a part time security guard. I mean, that was basically charity work. And with that in mind, was it ever implied in the original story that Goku had any kind of job?

Goku never had a job in the original series.

And yeah, Super is fucking his character.... HARD!!!

[Lord Beerus]

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

Since we have a lot more slice of life and downtime in Super, we do get to see Goku enjoy family life more. Hell, one of my favourite moments is Goku reacting to Gohan not joining the tournament.

Too bad in the manga Goku acts like a bit of an asshole when Gohan decline to comes to tournament to support his family. In the anime, he is far more accepting of it.

[Kanassa]

You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..

Since we have a lot more slice of life and downtime in Super, we do get to see Goku enjoy family life more. Hell, one of my favourite moments is Goku reacting to Gohan not joining the tournament.

Too bad in the manga Goku acts like a bit of an asshole when Gohan decline to comes to tournament to support his family. In the anime, he is far more accepting of it.

Another reason I dislike the manga version.

[Soppa Saia People]

Since we have a lot more slice of life and downtime in Super, we do get to see Goku enjoy family life more. Hell, one of my favourite moments is Goku reacting to Gohan not joining the tournament.

Too bad in the manga Goku acts like a bit of an asshole when Gohan decline to comes to tournament to support his family. In the anime, he is far more accepting of it.

Another reason I dislike the manga version.

Really ? That is one of most minor details.

[Kanassa]

Too bad in the manga Goku acts like a bit of an asshole when Gohan decline to comes to tournament to support his family. In the anime, he is far more accepting of it.

Another reason I dislike the manga version.

Really ? That is one of most minor details.

Doesn't mean it can't add to the pile.

[Soppa Saia People]

Another reason I dislike the manga version.

Really ? That is one of most minor details.

Doesn't mean it can't add to the pile.

Other reasons I'm honestly curios.

[Kanassa]

Really ? That is one of most minor details.

Doesn't mean it can't add to the pile.

Other reasons I'm honestly curios.

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

[Soppa Saia People]

Doesn't mean it can't add to the pile.

Other reasons I'm honestly curios.

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

Holy shit, I'm a dumb ass. I thought we where talking about the original manga, and the whole Goku and Gohan shit was a reference to the Boo saga.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

There's a spark of truth to that, although it doesn't really apply to the FT arc yet, but we'l see. So far, it's a product that doesn't hold up on its own, which is detrimental.

[ekrolo2]

I don't give a Kardashian's ass about the logistics behind Saiyan hair and the constant obsessing over it. If you're gonna hate Super and GT, at least hate them for better reasons than "THEY DON'T ADHERE TO VEGETA'S THROWAWAY HAIR LINE FROM THE CELL ARC!".

Mind you these are the same guys who don't give ANY of the SS forms any grief for changing people's hair but that's a whole other can of worms.

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

There's a spark of truth to that, although it doesn't really apply to the FT arc yet, but we'l see. So far, it's a product that doesn't hold up on its own, which is detrimental.

This is very true, while the manga is definitely better crafted, certain bad decisions and a complete incapability to work as its own, standalone story you can enjoy without the anime is a huge duo of blows working against it.

[Kanassa]

Other reasons I'm honestly curios.

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

Holy shit, I'm a dumb ass. I thought we where talking about the original manga, and the whole Goku and Gohan shit was a reference to the Boo saga.

Maybe I should of made it clearer

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

There's a spark of truth to that, although it doesn't really apply to the FT arc yet, but we'l see. So far, it's a product that doesn't hold up on its own, which is detrimental.

I'm not liking the Manga's handling of F!Trunks, he seems to have a lot less of an emotional connection to the situation so far.

[DBZAOTA482]

In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.

Well if the manga is nothing then the anime is less than nothing.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't give a Kardashian's ass about the logistics behind Saiyan hair and the constant obsessing over it.

Sexier words have never been spoken. Out of all the incongruities in the franchise, for many fans obsess over a throwaway line is ludicrous. I mean, is it really worth caring about a nothing statement from Vegeta that was obviously just an excuse for Toriyama to draw Trunks' hair differently? I don't think so.