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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Esfír Dedragón » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:06 pm

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buutenks wrote:Looking back on all the arcs and how far Super has got with its episodes. I can say, that the first 3 arcs were pathetic. The only good arc being Future Trunks arc. And even with that, considering how short it is, it has a ton of pointless filler episodes just to make it longer.

The slice of life episodes are all great tho.
The Tournament was okay for what it was. It tried to create too much fake tension, but it was still a fun time. If anything, I'm disappointed by how much of a bore the FT Arc was once I re-watched.
Oh rewatch wise, the arc itself sucks even tho its so short. But as a new thing to see, was cool. Tho the fights themselves were epic. Which for U6 arc, apart from Hit vs Goku, were all kinda lame, tho Vegeta vs Mageta was decent.
I suppose the U6 vs. U7 arc was the least bad of what we've seen now.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:57 pm

I find Ultimate Gohan's powerup pure genius lol

Also, I consider M. Satan as one of the best characters the franchise ever produced lol

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:24 pm

ABED wrote:It isn't a necessity for survival. People lived without it. We get it, you don't like Goku, but he doesn't need a job. He's not lazy, he has a goal and he has a legitimate means of supporting his family.
It's not that I don't like Goku... it's that you were making their family situation ALL about Goku and dude is a simpleton so pretty much fuck what he needs.

For common stuff, it's not necessary but it is for society.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:51 am

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ABED wrote:It isn't a necessity for survival. People lived without it. We get it, you don't like Goku, but he doesn't need a job. He's not lazy, he has a goal and he has a legitimate means of supporting his family.
It's not that I don't like Goku... it's that you were making their family situation ALL about Goku and dude is a simpleton so pretty much fuck what he needs.

For common stuff, it's not necessary but it is for society.
I didn't make the family situation all about Goku. The issue is whether he needs a job and he doesn't. He can provide for his family and his creative and productive outlet is fighting. Why does it matter if he was a simpleton?

Rational functional societies existed before electricity. Electricity certainly makes life better, but it's not a necessity if we're being technical.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:32 pm

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ABED wrote:It isn't a necessity for survival. People lived without it. We get it, you don't like Goku, but he doesn't need a job. He's not lazy, he has a goal and he has a legitimate means of supporting his family.
It's not that I don't like Goku... it's that you were making their family situation ALL about Goku and dude is a simpleton so pretty much fuck what he needs.

For common stuff, it's not necessary but it is for society.
I didn't make the family situation all about Goku. The issue is whether he needs a job and he doesn't. He can provide for his family and his creative and productive outlet is fighting. Why does it matter if he was a simpleton?

Rational functional societies existed before electricity. Electricity certainly makes life better, but it's not a necessity if we're being technical.
Again... clothing, supply, and insurance. Also you make it sound like it's okay to mooch off loved ones.

Goku being a simpleton does matter considering things that aren't important to him are important to others thus why I said you were making the whole situation only about him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ABED » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:39 pm

Again... clothing, supply, and insurance. Also you make it sound like it's okay to mooch off loved ones.
They don't need insurance and depending on context, it is okay if someone's family provides for them. It's not like Goku just lounges around and sits on his ass all day. Supply of what? They can get food in the mountains.
Goku being a simpleton does matter considering things that aren't important to him are important to others thus why I said you were making the whole situation only about him.
ANd your insane hatred of this fictional character which seems in proportion to the Yoko of the show (Chichi in case the analogy wasn't clear) I don't get what your point? What specifically are so important to the others that HE has to gets a conventional job when he should be training? It's not a traditional job, but Goku is a fighter. That is his creative outlet. And ultimately, I don't get what your aim is. This is an action adventure show that's built around martial artists that have the power to destroy whole planets. Why do you think it matters so much whether Goku gets a job? That's rather mundane considering the story.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:13 pm

ABED wrote:ANd your insane hatred of this fictional character which seems in proportion to the Yoko of the show (Chichi in case the analogy wasn't clear)
To be fair, he's not really showing any hatred for Goku in any sense of the word. He's said it before that it's not that he doesn't like him, he just doesn't want their family situation to be only centered around him. The worst that he's done in this convo is call him a simpleton.

And, I can see the point. Goku having a job makes sense.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:01 pm

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ABED wrote:ANd your insane hatred of this fictional character which seems in proportion to the Yoko of the show (Chichi in case the analogy wasn't clear)
To be fair, he's not really showing any hatred for Goku in any sense of the word. He's said it before that it's not that he doesn't like him, he just doesn't want their family situation to be only centered around him. The worst that he's done in this convo is call him a simpleton.

And, I can see the point. Goku having a job makes sense.
Well in fairness to you, you can't base it from this conversation. He's constantly shown disdain for Goku and said "Fuck Goku". I don't think I've ever seen him say "it's not that I don't like him." Quite the opposite in fact.

Goku having a job makes practically no sense. It's a story built around superhuman fighters. Jobs are too mundane for Goku.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:43 pm

ABED wrote:
Bansho64 wrote:
ABED wrote:ANd your insane hatred of this fictional character which seems in proportion to the Yoko of the show (Chichi in case the analogy wasn't clear)
To be fair, he's not really showing any hatred for Goku in any sense of the word. He's said it before that it's not that he doesn't like him, he just doesn't want their family situation to be only centered around him. The worst that he's done in this convo is call him a simpleton.

And, I can see the point. Goku having a job makes sense.
Well in fairness to you, you can't base it from this conversation. He's constantly shown disdain for Goku and said "Fuck Goku". I don't think I've ever seen him say "it's not that I don't like him." Quite the opposite in fact.

Goku having a job makes practically no sense. It's a story built around superhuman fighters. Jobs are too mundane for Goku.
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's not that I don't like Goku... it's that you were making their family situation ALL about Goku and dude is a simpleton so pretty much fuck what he needs.
Can you not read or you just mad cause I'm criticizing Goku? For you to accuse me of being a Goku hater you'd have to be a major Goku-apologist. I've admittedly harsh with some of my views in the past but I'm just doing me... I gotta keep it real and I've calmed down a lot of my opinions since.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Patrolman » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:30 pm

I honestly hate Gohan now. I don't know why but it may have to do with the amount of discussion arguing about his character. It got to the point whenever he does something in Super people would argue over it. I mean it get so irritating even when they talk about his SSJ2 form and how Toriyama "dropped the ball" on his character after that.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:31 pm

I don't hate Gohan, I just don't care anymore.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:37 pm

1) While I respect Future Gohan, the same cannot be said for his present self.

2) I dislike Vegeta the most, his character really gets to me the wrong way.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:40 pm

The Patrolman wrote:I honestly hate Gohan now. I don't know why but it may have to do with the amount of discussion arguing about his character. It got to the point whenever he does something in Super people would argue over it. I mean it get so irritating even when they talk about his SSJ2 form and how Toriyama "dropped the ball" on his character after that.
That's not really a reason to hate the character. Just hate the fans.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by buutenks » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:54 am

Lol at Goku needing a job. For how many times Goku saved earth they should build him a palace made out of gold.

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Post by Totamo » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:02 am

I don't like fusion and I hope we never get it again.

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Post by mabalia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:21 am

I like that Goku has a job 8)
Ox King can't help his daughter's family like in the past because he's broke now, so I like Goku's being responsable towards his family. It's not like he works alone, Chichi is also a farmer. And besides that's a type of job he can do quickly and spend the rest of the day training.

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Post by nite_jay » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:39 am

I am ok with people like Yamucha, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn not fighting again. If they were to get to the realm of Godly power so quickly without getting any major gains since namek/saiyan arcs would be jarring imo.

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Post by The Patrolman » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:28 am

Soppa Saia People wrote:
The Patrolman wrote:I honestly hate Gohan now. I don't know why but it may have to do with the amount of discussion arguing about his character. It got to the point whenever he does something in Super people would argue over it. I mean it get so irritating even when they talk about his SSJ2 form and how Toriyama "dropped the ball" on his character after that.
That's not really a reason to hate the character. Just hate the fans.
That makes sense. I did have a disdain over Supergirl's version of Superman because of fans always comparing it to his DCEU counterpart acting smug about how he is the supposed "superior one" or "he is the accurate version" or my favorite "he is the one that actually smiles". I apologize for not being Dragon Ball related
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Post by ABED » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:05 am

Can you not read or you just mad cause I'm criticizing Goku? For you to accuse me of being a Goku hater you'd have to be a major Goku-apologist. I've admittedly harsh with some of my views in the past but I'm just doing me... I gotta keep it real and I've calmed down a lot of my opinions since.
Maybe you have calmed down, but I haven't noticed it. When you say things like "Fuck Goku" it's a pretty clear message that you don't like him. I don't have to be an apologist to say you hate Goku.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:46 pm

ABED wrote: Maybe you have calmed down, but I haven't noticed it. When you say things like "Fuck Goku" it's a pretty clear message that you don't like him. I don't have to be an apologist to say you hate Goku.
But he doesn't. That's the point. He's even said it twice now times. He's giving criticisms about the character. It doesn't mean that he doesn't like him.

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