Live-action movie trailer

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:25 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:Looks like the pro-movie folk finally snapped.

I had to bite my wallet, but I'm calm now, all calm, calm, calm, that's me mr. calm.

*eye twitches*

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:
SonEric84 wrote: Ehhh it just shows me that no one would know who the characters are if it wasn't for that.
That's because you're wanting SO GODDAMN BADLY to find anything wrong so you can piss and moan about it.

Good fucking damn, it's a list of the characters.

And no, it's not a major concern...but it is one more stupid thing about it. I doubt it will be appearing in the movie for a second...otherwise what would be the relevance of putting it in the trailer
The first scene of the first Iron Man trailer is of a fancy car WITH ROCK MUSIC.

OH GOD IT'S NOT IRON MAN THERE A CAR A CAR ITS NOT A 1963 MODEL WAAAHHHH HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN VIETNAM WAAHHHH OH GOD THEY'RE DOING A TONY/PEPPER LOVE STORY OH FUCK JESUS SAVE ME THE SKY IS FUCKING FALLLLLLLLLOOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLINNNNNGNNGNGNGNNGNGNN

Same deal with half the other whining. Bulma's got a gun? THE WHOLE WORLD'S COME UNDONE oh wait, she had a gun in the first damn chapter because she shot goku in the face with it

Goku/ChiChi, whatever. I can see why some don't like it, but I prefer this to the original. Yeah, I said it. Fuck you.

No, I'd much rather have something I could enjoy as opposed to something to bitch about. Whatever though. And seriously, isn't your post a contradiction?...You're bitching about bitching.

Edit: I don't really want to argue about it with anyone though (I don't know if your hostility was directed at me, or just the situation in general.), it's not worth it because in the end we all have our own views anyway. If you can still enjoy it then more power to you I suppose.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:44 pm

Trying to defend at this point is just sad. The movie does not have any resemblence to Dragonball. Even if you squint really hard. Unfortunatly I was right. Fox simply leased out a name and slapped it on a direct to dvd movie.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:44 pm

Rocketman wrote:I had to bite my wallet, but I'm calm now, all calm, calm, calm, that's me mr. calm.

Well in that case…

Iron Man is a much different scenario; I see your point but the comparison of what was changed in that vs. this is apples to oranges. Jon Favreau knows Iron Man and chose to depart from the story in subtle ways that still respected the source. In fact, he had this to say about it:

On the failure or compromised nature of superhero movies in general:
The reason that superhero films in the past have fallen short is either because the director was unfamiliar source material or the director chose to depart from it for personal reasons.Another reason is that the studios that have had the rights to a particular franchise would never think twice about compromising the source material if thought it would enhance the commerical appeal.

Sounds a little familiar, methinks. (No buttons intentionally pressed…)

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:39 pm

I personally thought all the Iron Man trailers were Flat Out horrible, I barely even wanted to see the movie. But I did see it, multiple times, yah know why, cause it was awesome. There is a chance that this movie could be the same way. I just wish other people thought like I do, then there wouldn't be arguments, and maybe more people would look on the bright side.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:55 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I'm going to go see it...fuck yeah. I'm going to buy tickets to another movie though because I don't feel like supporting this flick.
(The exact same things I do with other awful movies like "Epic Movie".)

Isn't that kind of a waste of time and money? Surely you either want to see it or you don't. Why waste the time lining up for a different movie when you can just get a ticket to the movie you want to see?

If you really don't support it that much, then why not just avoid seeing it? That's kind of like saying... I want that white vest, but I am going to buy this white T-shirt and cut the arms off.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:59 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:Isn't that kind of a waste of time and money? Surely you either want to see it or you don't.

... Or you'd like to see it but don't want to support it.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:59 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I'm going to go see it...fuck yeah. I'm going to buy tickets to another movie though because I don't feel like supporting this flick.
(The exact same things I do with other awful movies like "Epic Movie".)

Isn't that kind of a waste of time and money? Surely you either want to see it or you don't. Why waste the time lining up for a different movie when you can just get a ticket to the movie you want to see?

How's it a waste of time or money? I used to do the same thing when I was younger to get into R-rated movies. Same line, same price.
If it makes him feel better to think he's not supporting the movie financially but still wants to satisfy his curiosity as to how the movie is, then all the more power to you.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:00 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:It's a weaboo-fu fantasy movie, so bullies have swords. And get foiled by backflipping emo kids.
Can someone tell me the origin of this term "weaboo"...? I pretend to know a little bit about internet culture, but in general, I tend to hate it and don't actually understand it .

Additionally, many of you have heard my rants on today's usage of the term "emo"...

Vegetto I want to hear your opinion please.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:02 pm

Gozar wrote:OK now, the Trailer proved every one of my fears to be true.

It's your every day stereotypical American Super Hero movie and nothing more. First of all Goku uttered the line "I don't think I'm ready for this"...This is a Goku who is doubting in his own abilities and will not have confidence in himself from what it seems. The delivery of that line was far different from any other time that Goku has realized he was outmatched in the series.

Then of course...The kiss scene...I freakin knew it. I knew they'd have to throw mushy stuff in there...The exact opposite of Goku. This movie is not DragonBall and is not Goku. People have been telling me all this time to wait for the trailer before I judge it so harshly and now I've seen the Trailer. All it's done is confirm every fear I had.

I don't need to wait to see the movie before I decide it's bad anymore. Most people judge what movies they'll see by the Trailer and all this trailer showed me was that it's trying to appeal to a Teenage Super Hero crowd.

You realize this was a teaser most likely made for expos so that people would understand who the characters are.

Goku and Chi-Chi had sex. Of course they kissed. Who cares if it was off-screen, it still happened.

A 1-minute teaser did not prove ANY of your points. Goku had hardly 1 line of freaking dialogue.

Seriously.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:10 pm

JAPPO wrote:Of course they kissed. Who cares if it was off-screen

Er... Difference of tone? Characterization?

And really, if anything goes just because "surely, they did it off-screen!", I can think of "many things" this live-action Dragon Ball movie could show us. 'Not necessarily a good idea though!

Point is, they kiss because there has to be a romance, because that's how these things are done. "These things" being your regular teen-oriented Hollywood tripe.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:14 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I'm going to go see it...fuck yeah. I'm going to buy tickets to another movie though because I don't feel like supporting this flick.
(The exact same things I do with other awful movies like "Epic Movie".)

Isn't that kind of a waste of time and money? Surely you either want to see it or you don't. Why waste the time lining up for a different movie when you can just get a ticket to the movie you want to see?

If you really don't support it that much, then why not just avoid seeing it? That's kind of like saying... I want that white vest, but I am going to buy this white T-shirt and cut the arms off.

No it's not I want to see the live action movie so I can honestly talk about it, if it's good I'll gladly go back again and this time pay for my ticket. I can't talk about it without seeing it. But as of now it looks laughable so I'm going to refrain from giving my money to whoever made this tripe and pay for a movie that actually looks half way decent, or that I know is decent.

Oh and that analogy was awful and completely irrelevant.

( Of course this movie being awful is just my opinion, I don't give a flying fuck if you think it was made by God himself.

There is literally no convincing the people who think this movie is good, Goku can be a hooker and Piccolo can be a midget and it would still be the same rant about how "the general point is there!"

Guess what, even if this movie tanks and does terribly they still won't admit to it being bad. Instead they'll say it was all the fans fault and people didn't understand its brilliance and everyone is closed minded etc. All n' all the people who like this movie like it and will always like it even if its god awful so why bother trying to tell them otherwise?)

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:25 pm

SonEric84 wrote: Ehhh it just shows me that no one would know who the characters are if it wasn't for that. And no, it's not a major concern...but it is one more stupid thing about it. I doubt it will be appearing in the movie for a second...otherwise what would be the relevance of putting it in the trailer?

I'm just gonna repost what I did 9 or so pages ago.

Onikage725 wrote:Aren't we moving into nitpick territory?
1. There's nothing in that 1 minute that screams the level of cheese in MK:A. I'm not saying that it won't be that bad, just that saying it *is* going to be that bad is heavily premature.
2. Calling out the characters? If that's the mark of a bad product, then I guess X2 must have sucked ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMDEwSsdb4
Actually the first one too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q8UUzkBFSM
Not my favorite flick in the world, but I most certainly enjoy the second. And I don't think they were generally viewed as pieces of shit that hurt the franchise.
And... Sin City, anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKFLrTYKIXk

This isn't a movie, but what about this little gem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeibGYhvNws

So, no offense kiddies, but chill the fuck out
It's just an advertising technique used for these types of movies for the mainstream viewers.

EDIT: For shits and grins I looked up the MK:A trailer... OK OK, I see where the concerns come from
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=InrQBpj__Vc
But this movie doesn't have any American Gladiators in it, right? Right??
To be fair, the MK trailer isn't much better, and that movie was halfway decent.

Also, Bulma + gun complainers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAY_nRnizBo

She busts Goku in the face about a minute in. When she was in Dragon Ball hunt mode, she roamed the land, by herself at first, and she carried a side arm for protection. She also didn't hesitate to draw it out and fire. So her looking kind of tough and having a gun isn't some crazy departure. It's just a slightly more "action-movie" themed take on what Toriyama set for the character.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:26 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Of course they kissed. Who cares if it was off-screen
Er... Difference of tone? Characterization?

And really, if anything goes just because "surely, they did it off-screen!", I can think of "many things" this live-action Dragon Ball movie could show us. 'Not necessarily a good idea though!

Point is, they kiss because there has to be a romance, because that's how these things are done. "These things" being your regular teen-oriented Hollywood tripe.

Well, frankly, anything doesn't go. But considering Chichi and Goku's on-screen relationship, it is unreasonable to assume that they don't kiss off-screen. That's just the point. No need to get angry over that.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:38 pm

omegacwa wrote:I personally thought all the Iron Man trailers were Flat Out horrible, I barely even wanted to see the movie. But I did see it, multiple times, yah know why, cause it was awesome. There is a chance that this movie could be the same way. I just wish other people thought like I do, then there wouldn't be arguments, and maybe more people would look on the bright side.

What is all this about bad trailers = great movies? Every trailer that’s been mentioned here as a part of that defense hasn’t been all that bad. At least not as bad as this. I for one think they were quite effective. The Dark Knight teaser got me pumped for the movie. Same with Iron Man (though I didn’t particularly like the choice of the Middle Eastern setting/Stark in a cave thing, it was still a good promo). I’m not quite getting that same feeling with this. We’ve been following this for a while. Bit by bit, and things haven’t improved yet. It’s not that far-fetched to have at least an opinion at this point. And we’re not even basing everything on just the promo. That’s just the icing on the cake, and it’s more or less either confirmed our expectations or lowered them. So yes, it could still be good, but the chances are looking pretty dim at this point.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:43 pm

Onikage725 wrote: Also, Bulma + gun complainers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAY_nRnizBo

She busts Goku in the face about a minute in. When she was in Dragon Ball hunt mode, she roamed the land, by herself at first, and she carried a side arm for protection. She also didn't hesitate to draw it out and fire. So her looking kind of tough and having a gun isn't some crazy departure. It's just a slightly more "action-movie" themed take on what Toriyama set for the character.

I really think that clip works against you in this instance, really throwing into contrast the shift in tone and approach to Dragonball.

Also, note that she's freaking out the entire time she's holding her little pea-shooter and drops it immediately afterwards.
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I still don't care for Agent Bulma

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:56 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:There is literally no convincing the people who think this movie is good, Goku can be a hooker and Piccolo can be a midget and it would still be the same rant about how "the general point is there!"

I do not agree with your position but that was a classic line.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:57 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:considering Chichi and Goku's on-screen relationship, it is unreasonable to assume that they don't kiss off-screen.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that it isn't unreasonable to assume that they don't kiss off-screen (count the negations! just count them!), I was saying that just because we can assume they do, that doesn't necessarily mean we should see it.
Ultimately, that kind of scene will only make the movie feel less like Dragon Ball and more like your typical teen-oriented fare. Would you disagree with that?

No need to get angry over that.

I'm not angry at all, just surprised at some of the arguments I'm seeing here.
A bit like when I saw, minutes ago, somebody discussing the end of Death Note and claiming that one of the main points of the series was the big question "would you side with KIRA or not?" Really? Really?
In other words, color me baffled.
(that would probably be a shade of sage green)
(and would actually make me a better Piccolo than this weird cenobite thing)

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:05 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:oint. I wasn't saying that it isn't unreasonable to assume that they don't kiss off-screen (count the negations! just count them!), I was saying that just because we can assume they do, that doesn't necessarily mean we should see it.
Ultimately, that kind of scene will only make the movie feel less like Dragon Ball and more like your typical teen-oriented fare. Would you disagree with that?

Ah, okay. I misunderstood your argument, then. I can see your point, though I don't particularly agree with the principal of cause and effect here,"IF there is a romance scene, THEN this movie will be Hollywood tripe". To me, it can be handled a number of different ways. And I don't see it as condemning or saving the film either way.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:07 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I can see your point, though I don't particularly agree with the principal of cause and effect here,"IF there is a romance scene, THEN this movie will be Hollywood tripe".

Oh, if there was only that... ^_^;

To me, it can be handled a number of different ways. And I don't see it as condemning or saving the film either way.

By itself, no, of course not. But I think it's symptomatic.