Unpopular DB opinions

[DBZAOTA482]

I think Zamasu is the most poorly written villain in the entire DB Franchise. The fact that his motives make 0 logical sense makes his story worse than no story at all. Literally the ONLY good thing is Goku Black in the anime since his personality is distinct from not only Future Zamasu but also Goku Black in the manga.

Also I realize Goku Black IS Zamasu and that made me sad to no end when they ruined his back story. Still cool though.

Real talk they shoulda made Goku Black essentially a zombie. Y'know, like Zamasu using the corpse of Timeline 2 Goku as a vessel to kill off the mortals?

[Freeza9000]

I think Zamasu is the most poorly written villain in the entire DB Franchise. The fact that his motives make 0 logical sense makes his story worse than no story at all. Literally the ONLY good thing is Goku Black in the anime since his personality is distinct from not only Future Zamasu but also Goku Black in the manga.

Also I realize Goku Black IS Zamasu and that made me sad to no end when they ruined his back story. Still cool though.

How are his motives nonsensical/illogical? Do you mind explaining yourself?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How are [Zamasu's] motives nonsensical? Do you mind explaining yourself?

Dimwitted dino-humans beat each other with clubs a lot, therefore ALL HUMANS MUST DIE!!! Also, Goku is uber powerful, therefore NIIINGEEEN!!!

Zamasu's motives are pretty dumb.

[Freeza9000]

How are [Zamasu's] motives nonsensical? Do you mind explaining yourself?

Dimwitted dino-humans beat each other with clubs a lot, therefore ALL HUMANS MUST DIE!!! Also, Goku is uber powerful, therefore NIIINGEEEN!!!

Zamasu's motives are pretty dumb.

I'm pretty sure it's not just them, there other mortals Zamasu has seen before that has done the same. Goku overpowering Zamasu just triggered him even further as it's literally preposterous for a mortal to reach the realms of the gods.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How are [Zamasu's] motives nonsensical? Do you mind explaining yourself?

Dimwitted dino-humans beat each other with clubs a lot, therefore ALL HUMANS MUST DIE!!! Also, Goku is uber powerful, therefore NIIINGEEEN!!!

Zamasu's motives are pretty dumb.

I'm pretty sure it's not just them, there other mortals Zamasu has seen before that has done the same. Goku overpowering Zamasu just triggered him even further as it's literally preposterous for a mortal to reach the realms of the gods.

It's still bullshit, especially when he does the exact same thing. Zamasu, while lovable, is really nothing more than a hypocritic, emo, hormonal teenager with too much time on his hands. That's fine, so is Light Yagami. Actually, Edward Elric acts like a hormonal teenager a lot of the time too, minus the emo aspect, of course. Tons of great character traits can be written up to hormonal and idiotic lines of thought.

[Freeza9000]

It's still bullshit, especially when he does the exact same thing

Except Zamasu thinks whatever he is doing is the epitome of justice as it is necessary to wipe out the evil that are the mortals which stain the beauty of the world.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It's still bullshit, especially when he does the exact same thing

Except Zamasu thinks whatever he is doing is the epitome of justice as it is necessary to wipe out the evil that are the mortals which stain the beauty of the world.

How is that relevant? If anything, it adds to his ridiculousness.

[DBZ Macky]

How are [Zamasu's] motives nonsensical? Do you mind explaining yourself?

Dimwitted dino-humans beat each other with clubs a lot, therefore ALL HUMANS MUST DIE!!! Also, Goku is uber powerful, therefore NIIINGEEEN!!!

Zamasu's motives are pretty dumb.

It's really funny when you put it like that
I appreciate that they at least tried to make Zamasu different from the other villains.

Naruto had some pretty good villains like Obito, but honestly, the good guy turning bad trope was done to death. It works in Dragon Ball though.

[Freeza9000]

How is that relevant? If anything, it adds to his ridiculousness.

Which was the point behind Zamasu's character and that is to make this hypocritical asshole with his own twisted idea of justice.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How is that relevant? If anything, it adds to his ridiculousness.

Which was the point behind Zamasu's character and that is to make this hypocritical asshole with his own twisted idea of justice.

I get that, I'm just saying that it doesn't hold up under scrutiny unless you think of Zamasu as the worst kind of teenager. I still like Zamasu, that doesn't mean that his motivations were plausible. Maybe if Zamasu's backstory had included more personal grief caused by humans, it would have been understandable.

On an unrelated note, didn't Omori talk an awful lot about hating humans? Awfully suspicious... Sorry for making that useless observation almost half a year too late.

[Freeza9000]

I get that, I'm just saying that it doesn't hold up under scrutiny unless you think of Zamasu as the worst kind of teenager. I still like Zamasu, that doesn't mean that his motivations were plausible. Maybe if Zamasu's backstory had included more personal grief caused by humans, it would have been understandable.

I don't need more backstory trying to convey how much Zamasu thinks mortals are incorrigible or how much they personally cause him grief and pain in order to attempt to make Zamasu all the more plausible or reasonable. Villains don't need to have motives that could be reasoned with. Just as you can't really reason with why serial killers do things the way they do.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Villains don't need to have motives that could be reasoned with.

They don't have to, but it makes for a better villain when they do have reasonable motives, this is the third time I've had to repeat myself now.

...you can't really reason with why serial killers do things the way they do.

Maybe you can't, but it's usually pretty sensible. Whether it's to cope with some kind of trauma, or if it's just fun, most people should definitely be able to apply reason to it.

[Freeza9000]

Villains don't need to have motives that could be reasoned with.

They don't have to, but it makes for a better villain when they do have reasonable motives, this is the third time I've had to repeat myself now.

...you can't really reason with why serial killers do things the way they do.

Maybe you can't, but it's usually pretty sensible. Whether it's to cope with some kind of trauma, or if it's just fun, most people should definitely be able to apply reason to it.

Ehh, sometimes having a completely unjustifiable and hypocritical asshole can be good enough. It can make you really hate the villain which is a good thing.

[ABED]

Where did this idea come from that villains can't just be bad people that they have to be somewhat sympathetic or feel as though they were wronged? Hypocrisy is a great trait for a bad guy.

That's fine, so is Light Yagami.

Light was so annoying and his supposedly complex motives weren't really all that complex or interesting.

There is no one correct way to write a villain and it always comes down to execution. Hans Gruber and Goldfinger just wanted money.

[Bansho64]

I honestly just don't plain like the guy to be honest. Zamasu, I mean. I never really got that spark that so many else did with his grievous use of "ningen" and "beauty". Maybe it came off as boring? I don't know. He just didn't hit me the same way he did others.

[ABED]

What's Ningen?

[Bansho64]

What's Ningen?

It basically means mortal or human in Japanese, I think. It might depend on the context. There's some memes about him saying it a lot. Heck, there's a compilation of him saying it on YouTube.

[ABED]

He sounds kind of like Lucifer on Supernatural.

[ekrolo2]

I would've liked Zamasu more if they didn't go the generic route of turning him into a barely comprehensible rambling psycho at the end, unless you do this carefully, all it does make the audience eye roll and just dismiss any valid point he may have as the ramblings of a total lunatic that make absolute 0 sense. Age of Ultron executed this well by having Ultron die with a lot of his dignity in tact, yeah he got punked physically but even in the face of death he didn't start yelling like a psycho because generic story-telling demands him to do.

[ABED]

I would've liked Zamasu more if they didn't go the generic route of turning him into a barely comprehensible rambling psycho at the end, unless you do this carefully, all it does make the audience eye roll and just dismiss any valid point he may have as the ramblings of a total lunatic that make absolute 0 sense. Age of Ultron executed this well by having Ultron die with a lot of his dignity in tact, yeah he got punked physically but even in the face of death he didn't start yelling like a psycho because generic story-telling demands him to do.

I did like the final scene with Ultron and The Vision.

I don't think bad guys have to have valid points as much as they have to have a clear argument that makes sense to them.