CNN: Anime, Pirating & The Economy (with DBZ)

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:56 am

No, that just makes you a pirate. Doing what he said makes you a filthy pirate.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:40 pm

Well, once again, the point remains--being a filthy pirate is only a bad thing if you care that you're a filthy pirate. If someone doesn't regard the term as an insult, then it's more or less useless to throw about.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:40 pm

Puto wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
fps_anth wrote: But at the same time, there's no way I'm waiting 5+ years for the dub to catch up to where the One Piece anime is currently at in Japan. I'll watch my fansubs now, and pick up the DVDs with high quality subs when the time comes. I've picked up every One Piece DVD that has been released so far, and they are 10x better than the fansubs I watched of those episodes years ago.
Well, it only took two years for FUNimation to dub the first 195 episodes of One Piece. I don't think it'll be five years to do another 200 (that's about one hundred dubbed episodes a year and only 50 new Japanese a year), factor in translations for 392+ being done already for the simulcast, and...yeah. If FUNimation keeps up their pace (although they don't seem to have 196+ licensed, despite conflicting reports)...who knows?

But yes, DragonBall...and all Anime, don't steal it!
One Piece's DVDs are only up to episode 66 so far.

Not quite. I've got Season Two Second Voyage sitting tightly on my shelf, already once watched. Depending on where you buy, you can get it early. And with Another 13 episodes coming out next month, I'll have the first 91 episodes. For a release that began May 2008, things are moving along relatively quick. Patience is a virture, although I certainly won't flaw anyone for buying another official release that is further along than FUNimation.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:53 pm

I don't usually download anime at all. I've only recently downloaded a RAW of the second Shippuden movie/Kakashi Gaiden Special for AMV purposes and a fandub I'm currently working on. Other than that I don't really the anime at all. If I do stream anime, I only do it as a preview for whether I'd like to buy it or not.

But nowadays, you can actually stream most anime for free(and legally) at sites like Crunchyroll and Hulu.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:07 pm

Kendamu wrote:
nathantheguitarist wrote:I know pirating is illegal and all, but how about for stuff that's impossible to find, out of print, or is so rare that it's on ebay for $200+ (which doesn't make the publishers any money anyways)?

Or things that don't have a (full) release, like the alternate dubs of Dragonball?

Is it still illegal if it's out of print, or never was in print to begin with? Who would be losing money if it was? Random stuff like this fucks with my head to make pirating seem like not such a bad thing... Especially because I'm dirt poor, and can barely afford toilet paper at the end of the month most of the time...
It's illegal because the companies that own the rights to distribute Dragonball where you live want you to buy their product. Even if it's an alternate dub, you're still stealing Dragonball and not giving money to the rightful license holders. While I agree that they shouldn't pursue people who are watching alternate dubs that aren't available for sale, it's still the law and the corporation sees you as a thief.

Sucks, eh?

Ok, that answers the alternate dubs and whatnot.

But still, what about stuff out of print? With companies shut down, and production stopped, who would be losing money because of illegal downloading then?

Yes, I'm still confused.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:54 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
nathantheguitarist wrote:I know pirating is illegal and all, but how about for stuff that's impossible to find, out of print, or is so rare that it's on ebay for $200+ (which doesn't make the publishers any money anyways)?

Or things that don't have a (full) release, like the alternate dubs of Dragonball?

Is it still illegal if it's out of print, or never was in print to begin with? Who would be losing money if it was? Random stuff like this fucks with my head to make pirating seem like not such a bad thing... Especially because I'm dirt poor, and can barely afford toilet paper at the end of the month most of the time...
It's illegal because the companies that own the rights to distribute Dragonball where you live want you to buy their product. Even if it's an alternate dub, you're still stealing Dragonball and not giving money to the rightful license holders. While I agree that they shouldn't pursue people who are watching alternate dubs that aren't available for sale, it's still the law and the corporation sees you as a thief.

Sucks, eh?
Ok, that answers the alternate dubs and whatnot.

But still, what about stuff out of print? With companies shut down, and production stopped, who would be losing money because of illegal downloading then?

Yes, I'm still confused.

If nobody holds the rights to what you're watching or if whoever holds the rights isn't selling anything from that franchise then, while still illegal, there isn't really a problem. If Lionsgate, who owns the rights to the 1980s Ninja Turtles cartoon, had never started putting out DVDs of the show or put it back on TV then I'd have no moral issue with downloading copies of it.

In the case of Dragonball Z, though, even though FUNimation isn't putting the Ocean Studios English audio on any of their DVDs, they're still putting Dragonball Z out there for sale so that people can legally own the series. It may not have the English voice cast that we prefer, but that doesn't matter. Even if we as Americans download an English dub that they don't have, we're still downloading Dragonball Z, the story that they sell on DVD in America, and it's still illegal.

Like I said, it sucks. In the end it's up to you whether you download the Ocean Studios English audio DBZ, but no matter what it's currently illegal to do so.

dragonballzgtfighter · Post by **dragonballzgtfighter** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:39 pm

I would have to agree with comments from Tweaker.

Although piracy is a crime, there are more important crimes to reduce, prevent and catch. All people agree on this but when it's about money, they change their mind.

There is a piracy scale.

Intent to sell to others is a no no in my books.

But if you intend to give for free to others it is more ok then the above statement.

Piracy means financial lose to the people involved.

Piracy to the comsumer means there could be no one willing to work in the industry to make future anime, manga, etc. As the makers are in it for the money, enjoyment, employment and good at their job.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:32 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote: But One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach are worse. Just go to the Arlong Park One Piece forums and most of the categories and threads in the anime section are for the several fansub groups, and the free raw providers on YouTube.

I'm not into Naruto and Bleach that much anymore, so I dont' know how bad the situation is but its probably as bad as One Piece.

Well, with One Piece, the forum IS very supportive of the FUNi releases, but said releases are 8 years behind the current material, and the forum was started long before a legal alternative to fansubs existed in the first place, so it's pretty understandable they allow it.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:09 pm

Big Momma wrote:But nowadays, you can actually stream most anime for free(and legally) at sites like Crunchyroll and Hulu.

Unless you live somewhere outside the US. Then you're likely to get a 'we're sorry, this isn't available in your country' f-you message.

Crunchyroll might be different. Haven't checked it out in ages.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:43 am

Bussani wrote: Crunchyroll might be different. Haven't checked it out in ages.

Some series are available worldwide, some aren't. I've been watching Gintama there a bit lately.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:33 pm

Hmm, do you think Toei is taking action against all these DBZ YouTube channels because of what CNN talked about in the report? Its kind of a coincidence, anyways.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:37 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:Hmm, do you think Toei is taking action against all these DBZ YouTube channels because of what CNN talked about in the report? Its kind of a coincidence, anyways.

Toei doesn't need a CNN report to justify their dickness.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:38 pm

Is it me, or does the female anchor sound just like Asian Reporter Trisha Takanawa?

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:09 am

Bomber Greek wrote:Is it me, or does the female anchor sound just like Asian Reporter Trisha Takanawa?

Her name is Kristie Lu Stout or something.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:19 pm

Aw, I can't view the Video. I was really interested in watching it.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:10 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:Hmm, do you think Toei is taking action against all these DBZ YouTube channels because of what CNN talked about in the report? Its kind of a coincidence, anyways.

I believe it is. I find it funny that this appeared and then there is a massive pull. Youtube pulls videos all the time, but this is the first I heard for reasons outside of the US.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:13 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:Hmm, do you think Toei is taking action against all these DBZ YouTube channels because of what CNN talked about in the report? Its kind of a coincidence, anyways.
I believe it is. I find it funny that this appeared and then there is a massive pull. Youtube pulls videos all the time, but this is the first I heard for reasons outside of the US.

Toei does have a US branch.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:32 pm

Raki wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:Hmm, do you think Toei is taking action against all these DBZ YouTube channels because of what CNN talked about in the report? Its kind of a coincidence, anyways.
I believe it is. I find it funny that this appeared and then there is a massive pull. Youtube pulls videos all the time, but this is the first I heard for reasons outside of the US.
Toei does have a US branch.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-?

This is the first time I've heard this.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:43 pm

I have read about it but it doesn't really distributes any anime as far as I know.

B · Post by B » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:24 am

dragonfist wrote:I have read about it but it doesn't really distributes any anime as far as I know.

http://www.toei-anim.com/index.html

Enjoy mediocre dubs and shitty video quality!