If a Z fighter were to appear in a different anime...

[Godo]

Well, did he beat them with violence or by tricking them/outwitting them?

Violence. Usually either by flying through them, or these days, by shooting energy blasts. Sonic, Shadow and Silver in their Super forms defeated a pan-dimensional, time/dimension eating entity with pure power. That's gotta be at least Buu saga level.

Then I guess that Sonic is on par with the Buu saga warriors. Tough, I am dissappointed that they gave him energy blasts as an attack option. They should give him a tornado move or something instead.

Goku moves fastes than Itachi can see

But Goku doesn't move before the fight has begun. It's not like Goku runs around in super speed all the time, expecting someone to attack him. Also, he is friendly with strangers, he wouldn't attack Itachi. At the time Itachi said that he wanted to kill Goku, the attack would have taken it's effect.

[Deep Thought]

If we are talking about the anime incarnations of DBZ, then, holy fuck, they are insanely powerful.

- King Vegeta destroys a planetary system by waving his hand.

- Vegeta destroys a planet with a gesture.

- Kid Buu could destroy galaxies.

- Super Gohan Buu was about to destroy the universe, though, admittetely, it was using his best attack (an attack so powerful it knocked Super Vegeto backwards, which Super Vegeto dispelled with a kick.

Fuck the Narutoverse, OPverse and Bleachverse, I don't even know how they got mentioned. A Dragon Ball (not Z) character, could fly upward and destroy the entire continent. As for other verses, they need to be confirmed universe-buster (feats, not statements), to prove that they can take on the Zverse.

EDIT: Characters are bloodlusted, that's how I start all of my versus battles, because it's bullshit otherwise. To determine a character's raw power compared to another verse, they need to be bloodlusted.

[Bussani]

For starters Ki isn't nature-based it's pure "light".

No, it isn't. Ki is spiritual energy, emotions, vigor, will. It might differ from chakra slightly in its depiction, but the two are based on the same concept. There's an interview with Toriyama about it in one of the Super Exciting Guides.

Tough, I am dissappointed that they gave him energy blasts as an attack option. They should give him a tornado move or something instead.

Oh, Super Sonic still just plows through stuff. Shadow is the one with energy blasts. Silver uses psychokinetic attacks. Their abilities seem to reflect their character.

[Hellspawn28]

Super Gohan Buu was about to destroy the universe, though, admittetely

IIRC in the subs it said that he was going to destroy the Earth along with the Dimension that he was in. I don't see how that would be universe busting by interrupting an attack that was supposedly a universe buster via dialogue hyperbole, yet never actually did anything? That would be like saying that Bruce Lee can destroy a city since he had gun shooting a guy before he presses a button to launch a nuke. Doesn't mean he could actually tank the nuke or destroy a city if it was fired. I'm pretty sure when they mean everything they most likely mean the Planet since I always took it as a figure of speech IMO. I don't see anyone in any part of DB destroying a galaxy or universe with a simple ki blast.

Anywho, I would like to see the Z fighters in Mortal Kombat since I remember when Pojo.com did a crossover of it. And that I would pay good money to see Vegeta against Raiden.

[DemonRin]

I think DBZ characters would have trouble fighting the Logia Devil Fruit users from One Piece.
Heck, in the Animated Dragon Ball/One Piece Special (the Multi-screen one that played at the top floor of that building) Son went Toe-to-Toe with God Enel, and ended up being bested by him. He and Luffy had to fly up to take him on together (Son Let Luffy ride Kintoun) and they won the fight by doing the "Gum Gum Kamehameha" where Luffy grabbed Son around the waist and span him while he did the Kamehameha to make a big spiraling Kamehameha.

So yeah, The Logia fruit users would hold their own really well.
Imagine, Son punches Smoker in the face, smoker turns into... smoke, Son's hand gets stuck, Smoker punches him in the chest.

And hell, Kizaru and Son could even have a "Beam Battle".

And I still think Luffy would be able to fight Son if he was Nightmare Luffy at the time.

[Innagadadavida]

So yeah, The Logia fruit users would hold their own really well.
Imagine, Son punches Smoker in the face, smoker turns into... smoke, Son's hand gets stuck, Smoker punches him in the chest.

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker. Not a single character in One Piece could beat a Dragon Ball character, don't even try to make that claim. That's not what One Piece is about anyway.

[Bussani]

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker.

When has a Kamehameha killed smoke? It sure didn't stop Buu coming back from smoke alone several times.

[Innagadadavida]

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker.

When has a Kamehameha killed smoke? It sure didn't stop Buu coming back from smoke alone several times.

Well if that didn't work then the Genki Dama.

[Hellspawn28]

Another One Piece crossover would be nice. A crossover where Luffy enters the 21st budokai and teams up with Goku to stop the World Goverment and the RR Army. Or redo the Animated Dragon Ball/One Piece Special as a OVA that had Enel in it (like have Enel and King Piccolo team up or something like that).

Kid Buu could destroy galaxies.

I thought he only wipe out one? Besides he did in an unspecified time frame that we aren't aware of. Daizenshuu #7 said that their is only four galaxies which is another Plot hole made thanks to Toei .

[Bussani]

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker.

When has a Kamehameha killed smoke? It sure didn't stop Buu coming back from smoke alone several times.

Well if that didn't work then the Genki Dama.

That's more like it.

Of course, Smoker could turn into smoke and fly inside Goku's lungs while he was standing around making the Genki Dama, or some other nonsense.

Another One Piece crossover would be nice. A crossover where Luffy enters the 21st budokai and teams up with Goku to stop the World Goverment and the RR Army.

This needs to happen.

[Herms]

I thought he only wipe out one? Besides he did in an unspecified time frame that we aren't aware of. Daizenshuu #7 said that their is only four galaxies which is another Plot hole made thanks to Toei :x.

Kid Boo is never, ever said to destroy a single galaxy. All this "Boo destroyed galaxies" talk is just old fan rumors that go back at least as far as Planet Namek.com. But it has no basis in the series. In the series itself he is just said to have destroyed "hundreds of planets".

Super Gohan Buu was about to destroy the universe, though, admittetely

IIRC in the subs it said that he was going to destroy the Earth along with the Dimension that he was in. I don't see how that would be universe busting by interrupting an attack that was supposedly a universe buster via dialogue hyperbole, yet never actually did anything?

He merely says he is going to destroy Earth. Nothing about dimensions or universes.

- King Vegeta destroys a planetary system by waving his hand.

When did that happen?

[Bussani]

Super Gohan Buu was about to destroy the universe, though, admittetely

IIRC in the subs it said that he was going to destroy the Earth along with the Dimension that he was in. I don't see how that would be universe busting by interrupting an attack that was supposedly a universe buster via dialogue hyperbole, yet never actually did anything?

He merely says he is going to destroy Earth. Nothing about dimensions or universes.

I think they're talking about this filler part, where Buu has a temper tantrum and starts tearing holes in reality, so that 'dimensions' will 'come through' and 'crush our own as they pass', however that works. It's meant to be how they screamed their way out of the Room of Spirit and Time, taken to the extreme.

Edit: The logic goes that, since Vegetto is so far above Gohan Buu, he should be able to do the same. Though it is only filler.

[Herms]

That might be what Hellspawn was talking about, but Deep Thought was talking about the energy ball that Vegetto knocks off into space in the anime. That was only said to be able to destroy the Earth, rather than the universe like Deep Thought thought. If it was capable of destroying the universe, what difference would Vegetto knocking it into space make?

[Hellspawn28]

Well, did he beat them with violence or by tricking them/outwitting them?

Violence. Usually either by flying through them, or these days, by shooting energy blasts. Sonic, Shadow and Silver in their Super forms defeated a pan-dimensional, time/dimension eating entity with pure power. That's gotta be at least Buu saga level.

Then I guess that Sonic is on par with the Buu saga warriors. Tough, I am dissappointed that they gave him energy blasts as an attack option. They should give him a tornado move or something instead.

Sonic with the chaos control might send them into space but video game sonic is rather slow the last time I check (it been while since I play the games).

King Vegeta destroys a planetary system by waving his hand.

I think it was the filler sceen where we see him wiping out three Planetoids at once IIRC.

I think they're talking about this filler part

I was talking about the filler sceen.

This needs to happen.

Agreed since luffy fits rather well in early DB arcs like the 21st Budokai and RR army sagas.

[Shoryuken]

For starters Ki isn't nature-based it's pure "light".

No, it isn't. Ki is spiritual energy, emotions, vigor, will. It might differ from chakra slightly in its depiction, but the two are based on the same concept. There's an interview with Toriyama about it in one of the Super Exciting Guides.

I already know that, what I originally meant was that it just couldn't be manipulated into earth, fire etc.

Of course, Smoker could turn into smoke and fly inside Goku's lungs while he was standing around making the Genki Dama, or some other nonsense.

If bloodlusted Goku wouldn't go for an genkidama, he would instead destroy him from the above by bombarding him with Renzoku Energy Dan.

The only logias who would be proper oponents for Goku would be Kizaru, Enel and possibly Aokiji.

[Hellspawn28]

OP has Whitebread but his powers are still unkown yet since he has not that much yet. WB should give 23rd Budokai Goku or Piccolo a good fight going from what we have seen from his feats.

[Shoryuken]

OP has Whitebread but his powers are still unkown yet since he has not that much yet. WB should give 23rd Budokai Goku or Piccolo a good fight going from what we have seen from his feats.

Whitebeard would especially be a nasty foe for Goku as his haki was so powerful that when it collided with that of Shanks it coursed the clouds above them to divide. His devil powers however are too vague just yet to draw any conclusions, but he was powerful enough to create earthquakes powerful enough to conjure large towering tidalwaves.

[Bussani]

what I originally meant was that it just couldn't be manipulated into earth, fire etc.

I think it's more a matter that not many characters we see use it that way, rather than it can't be used that way. Roshi manipulated it into electricity to zap Goku during the 21st tournament, after all.

If bloodlusted Goku wouldn't go for an genkidama, he would instead destroy him from the above by bombarding him with Renzoku Energy Dan.

Not sure how that would kill smoke. If anything, it creates more smoke.

The only logias who would be proper oponents for Goku would be Kizaru, Enel and possibly Aokiji.

Yeah. That's what I said from the start. Kizaru would be especially tough, even for a Dragon Ball character.

[rereboy]

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker.

When has a Kamehameha killed smoke? It sure didn't stop Buu coming back from smoke alone several times.

Smoke (and other logia users) can be touched by Haki as it was shown in recent chapters of One Piece.

What exactly is Haki is still pretty vague but it seems to depend much on will and vigor, kind of like Ki. So, would a ki infused attack be able to touch a logia user? Maybe. If it did, then no One piece fighter would stand a chance.

[DemonRin]

A Kamehameha would smoke smoker.

When has a Kamehameha killed smoke? It sure didn't stop Buu coming back from smoke alone several times.

Smoke (and other logia users) can be touched by Haki as it was shown in recent chapters of One Piece.

What exactly is Haki is still pretty vague but it seems to depend much on will and vigor, kind of like Ki. So, would a ki infused attack be able to touch a logia user? Maybe. If it did, then no One piece fighter would stand a chance.

Oh god no, The Haki nonsense is spreading!!

It's Ambition. Haki means Ambition. In a series that places so much emphasis on Dreams, a person with lots of Ambition can intimidate people and do these things.

Why do you think Luffy's Goal is to become "Pirate King" and in Amazon Lilly, they said he had a "Great Fighting King's Ambition"? (Haoushoku Haki)
The fansubbers deciding it was untranslatable is what created this whole Haki nonsense in the first place!

Anyway, the Loigia fruit users would stand Toe-to-Toe with the DBZ Charas, they're the only ones who could. Ace would do Well I think.
And Whitebeard's Quake Quake Fruit is said to be able to Destroy the World. That's getting into the Realm of DBZ powers right there.