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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:10 pm

Oh, of course not. There are many other, more important things that make the dub suck. But mispronouncing names certainly doesn't make it good.
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Post by PatPat » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:12 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I might be able to agree with the rest of what you said, but spoiled? Expecting accuracy is being spoiled? Accuracy should be a baseline expectation. Plus, being spoiled with the DBZ dub is an oxymoron in itself. :lol:
I guess i'm just used to rougher times as a anime fan. I mean I would like kill to have a dub of SM that was even close to the DBZ dub in terms of quality. I'm pretty happy with the dub we got. but I would definatly be happier if it was more accurate. I'm not going to complain though.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:18 pm

FUNi's dub of DBZ and the English dub of SM were my first anime. But there were other anime during that time that had decent dubs, so it's not like it couldn't've been done the same. But I guess we'll finally be getting a decent (amazing?) dub with Kai. :mrgreen:
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:19 pm

Don't misunderstand me. I'm from these "darker times" you speak of as well. But I just don't think that's any reason to let one's guard down and not expect the best it can be. In my opinion, just because Dragon Ball was handled somewhat better than Sailor Moon doesn't mean that it's not still crap. Just because the Dragon Boxes are the best release ever of the series doesn't mean they don't have flaws too. Nothing is exempt from criticism.
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Post by PatPat » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:22 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Don't misunderstand me. I'm from these "darker times" you speak of as well. But I just don't think that's any reason to let one's guard down and not expect the best it can be. In my opinion, just because Dragon Ball was handled somewhat better than Sailor Moon doesn't mean that it's not still crap. Just because the Dragon Boxes are the best release ever of the series doesn't mean they don't have flaws too. Nothing is exempt from criticism.
I get where your coming from and I agree with you. I definatly think the funi dub could be better and I hope kai is way better when it comes out.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:34 am

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linkdude20002001 wrote:Oh yeah! Gero... How's that pronounced in the dubs?
In the FUNimation dub it was "Jer-oh", and in the Ocean dub it was "G-ro".
I think you have those two mixed up. In the FUNimation dub it was pronounced "G-ro".


How's it pronounced in the Japanese dub? I don't think I seen those episodes in Japanese.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:51 am

I think he's saying that the Ocean Dub pronounces it Jee-roh, which is actually how I thought it was as a kid when I'd only read his name in print.

But his name is actually pronounced GEH-roh (with a hard g sound).
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Gaffer Tape wrote:I think he's saying that the Ocean Dub pronounces it Jee-roh, which is actually how I thought it was as a kid when I'd only read his name in print.

But his name is actually pronounced GEH-roh (with a hard g sound).
Oh, so neither the FUNi dub or Ocean dub pronounce it correctly.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:05 am

Haven't actually heard it in the Ocean Dubs, but I'm pretty sure that was the sound he was trying to get across, and I think I've heard from others that it was pronounced that way, but don't quote me on that.
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Post by ShonenKnife » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:23 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:I think he's saying that the Ocean Dub pronounces it Jee-roh, which is actually how I thought it was as a kid when I'd only read his name in print.

But his name is actually pronounced GEH-roh (with a hard g sound).
Wasn't the Ocean dub pronounciation JAH-roh? I remember being confused when it switched from FUNi's one to that.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:45 am

You're right! I remember now.

Correct: geh-roh
FUNi: zhuh-roh?
Westwood: jah-roh

*zh is the sound at the end of garage.
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Post by El Diabeetus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:26 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:They pronounce them nap-uh instead of nop-pah, goh-koo instead of goh-koo, and vi-del instead of vee-del.

The Westwood Media/Ocean Productions dub pronounces Videl correctly.
To me, the Goku vs. Goku pronunciation makes no difference. I can tell there's one, but it's not big enough, at least in my opinion to change it. As someone exposed to both versions for 8+ years now, it still sounds weird to hear the English cast ever add the emphasis on the former (Goku), but than again, some people may be trying to hard when they try that emphasis who knows. With Videl, even though the way it's written in Katakana doesn't say to pronounce it like Devil, I can see why FUNimation changed the pronunciation. Plus, I'm not gonna lie, it feels weird to hear "Vee-del" instead of "Vuh-del" (ala FUNimation).

Oh, just wondering wouldn't it be "Nahp-pa" not "Nop-pa"? Really, all FUNimation would have to do is add more of an "ah" to their pronunciation of Nappa.
linkdude20002001 wrote:You're right! I remember now.

Correct: geh-roh
FUNi: zhuh-roh?
Westwood: jah-roh

*zh is the sound at the end of garage.
I always interpreted Funimation's as Juh-ro and Ocean/Westwood as Jar-roh, sounds like Jar-o actually. Unless, that what you were going for when you typed it out.

I'm not trying to say it's wrong, I just thought I'd add my two cents on both of those.

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Post by penguintruth » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:30 pm

When I first read the manga, I pronounced "Gero" as "Gear-o", because he made robots!
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:22 pm

While I don't expect the Kai dub to turn "Tien" into "Tenshinhan" anytime soon, I would like if they pronounced Gero correctly once it gets to that point. The dub pronunciation of that has always irked me.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:32 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:To me, the Goku vs. Goku pronunciation makes no difference. I can tell there's one, but it's not big enough, at least in my opinion to change it. As someone exposed to both versions for 8+ years now, it still sounds weird to hear the English cast ever add the emphasis on the former (Goku), but than again, some people may be trying to hard when they try that emphasis who knows. With Videl, even though the way it's written in Katakana doesn't say to pronounce it like Devil, I can see why FUNimation changed the pronunciation. Plus, I'm not gonna lie, it feels weird to hear "Vee-del" instead of "Vuh-del" (ala FUNimation).

Oh, just wondering wouldn't it be "Nahp-pa" not "Nop-pa"? Really, all FUNimation would have to do is add more of an "ah" to their pronunciation of Nappa.

I always interpreted Funimation's as Juh-ro and Ocean/Westwood as Jar-roh, sounds like Jar-o actually. Unless, that what you were going for when you typed it out.

I'm not trying to say it's wrong, I just thought I'd add my two cents on both of those.
It didn't weird when God said in Movie 1. In fact, I didn't even notice it till years later. And vee-del is here name, regardless of where you think it sounds weird. You're used to FUNimation's dub, but people who had only the Westwood dub to watch, heard vee-del, and I doubt they thought it sounded weird.

Sorry. To me, nahp and nop sound the same. I wasn't think about other accents. So yeah, I meant nahp-pah.

Well the narator says jah-roh in the episode I was watching. Maybe it changes depending on the actor?
penguintruth wrote:When I first read the manga, I pronounced "Gero" as "Gear-o", because he made robots!
I used to think it was kee-roh. :lol:
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Post by El Diabeetus » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:41 pm

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SSJ4 Furanki wrote:To me, the Goku vs. Goku pronunciation makes no difference. I can tell there's one, but it's not big enough, at least in my opinion to change it. As someone exposed to both versions for 8+ years now, it still sounds weird to hear the English cast ever add the emphasis on the former (Goku), but than again, some people may be trying to hard when they try that emphasis who knows. With Videl, even though the way it's written in Katakana doesn't say to pronounce it like Devil, I can see why FUNimation changed the pronunciation. Plus, I'm not gonna lie, it feels weird to hear "Vee-del" instead of "Vuh-del" (ala FUNimation).

Oh, just wondering wouldn't it be "Nahp-pa" not "Nop-pa"? Really, all FUNimation would have to do is add more of an "ah" to their pronunciation of Nappa.

I always interpreted Funimation's as Juh-ro and Ocean/Westwood as Jar-roh, sounds like Jar-o actually. Unless, that what you were going for when you typed it out.

I'm not trying to say it's wrong, I just thought I'd add my two cents on both of those.
It didn't weird when God said in Movie 1. In fact, I didn't even notice it till years later. And vee-del is here name, regardless of where you think it sounds weird. You're used to FUNimation's dub, but people who had only the Westwood dub to watch, heard vee-del, and I doubt they thought it sounded weird.

Sorry. To me, nahp and nop sound the same. I wasn't think about other accents. So yeah, I meant nahp-pah.

Well the narator says jah-roh in the episode I was watching. Maybe it changes depending on the actor?
Yeah, it probably did switch based on actors, I never heard the Westwood dub's Narrator say Gero's name yet. I think I heard Yamcha's voice say it, so that's probably where I got that from, or my memory just fuzzy.

I haven't seen Movie 1 with the FUNimation cast, so that's probably why I don't recall much about the Goku pronunciation with English cast.

Yeah, you're right about the Videl pronunciation too, I've barely seen any of the Westwood dub for Buu, and only little bits of the Japanese version for the Buu Saga too. So, when it comes to the Videl pronunciation, you're right, I'm just too used to the FUNimation pronunciation.

For Kai, the only pronunciation(s) I'm worrying about are: Saiyan (which I doubt will change, but I can hope.), Kaio-Ken (if they treat it like Burst Limit, it should be fine.) Son (I doubt they'll use it, but, once again, if Burst Limit indicated anything, they can use it.) and the major one Gero. Honestly, that's the character name that's inconsistent between many versions.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:59 pm

It's not the FUNi cast for movie one. It was the Geneon dub with the Ocean Productions cast. I don't own and don't plan on owning FUNi's dub.

For Kai, I hope they fix as many as possible. Actually, they're all possible... But just some of the major ones like you mentioned would be good.
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Post by penguintruth » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:16 pm

Ah, the Pioneer release Ocean dubs for movies 1-3. I'm glad I have those DVDs. They don't hold up quite as well as I recall, but are significantly better than the series dub under Ocean and a lot of Funimation's in-house. At least, in my estimation, since there seems to be a lot of mixed opinions.

Come to think of it, I do believe the second syllable of "Goku" is stressed in a few lines. Movies 1 and 3, if I'm not mistaken. Movie 2 just sticks with it's usual pronounciation in the dub. "Kaioken" is pronounced correctly, too, if I recall. I haven't watched them since before the first DBox came out, though.

Though, I've heard a bit of the Funimation in-house dub for movie 1, and it's really not too bad, either. For them, anyway.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:21 pm

How's the script in FUNi's dub of movie one?

And I think I remember Gokuh saying goh-koo in movie three at least. I'll have to watch it again.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:05 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:How's the script in FUNi's dub of movie one?
Nearly identical to the Pioneer dub, but with some dialogue reworded here and there, but it still carries across the same meaning.

A more drastic example is in the Pioneer script for movie 2, where Goku says "I'll keep fighting as long as my body holds out!!" and in the FUNi dub, he exclaims "I'll beat you, no matter how long it takes me!" which I think sounds more like something Goku would say.
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