Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Xyex]

...Yeaah...

There's actually nothing impressive about what Superman is doing in this image. The chain, yes. Superman? Nope. Superman is in space. The planets are in space. They may have a shitload of mass, but they've got zip for weight.

I'm trying to say that it's silly to think "it depends on which version" of Superman, when there's only one version that's relevant, same as Goku.

It's silly to think that there's only one version that's relevant when there are so many different versions of both characters available. There's a reason why people always ask "Which version of Superman?" and "What time period for Goku?" when these sorts of questions come up.

I mean, would the idea of GT Goku or Toei Goku being used for this debate cross anyone's minds? I doubt it...

Not read too many Goku vs. Superman threads, have you? Besides, that's not even the common question for Goku. The common question for Goku is "What era?" as in, is it 21st Budokai Goku, Saiya-jin arc Goku, Cell Games MSSJ Goku, SSJ3 Buu era Goku, or some other Goku from some other period in his history?

Honestly, it's completely retarded to assume that it HAS to be the CURRENT version of a character.

[Kaboom]

It's silly to think that there's only one version that's relevant when there are so many different versions of both characters available. There's a reason why people always ask "Which version of Superman?" and "What time period for Goku?" when these sorts of questions come up.

Precisely.

Silver-Age Superman is a walking, talking plot device in tights, capable of doing literally anything and everything required of him, no matter how grandiose or absurd. He's overpowered to the point that nobody in the DragonBall Universe (sans Arale or Super Vegetto, obviously) could ever even hope to match him.

But Superman from the "DC Animated Universe" is much weaker and would get schooled by Saiyan-arc Goku, who probably wouldn't even need the Kaio-Ken.

[Kendamu]

It's not so much that Superman is just that powerful and that's the end of it. He's that powerful compared to almost everyone else in the DC universe. Dragonball characters have many other people they consistently run into throughout the story who rival them or are more powerful than them. If Superman were consistently being given villains as strong or stronger than himself in the Dragonball-sense of "strong" then Superman would have a much harder time on a more regualr basis and, like the characters in Dragonball, he'd have to find a way to train to get stronger and more skilled in combat on a regular basis.

All you have to do so see exactly what's going on with Superman is to imagine the Great Saiyaman. When he runs around fighting crime amongst the rest of the people, he looks unstoppable! However, once you add someone like Majin Boo to the picture it's a much different scenario.

I don't know if he does, but imagine if Superman had his own Majin Boo to deal with.

[The Time Traveller]

...Yeaah...

There's actually nothing impressive about what Superman is doing in this image. The chain, yes. Superman? Nope. Superman is in space. The planets are in space. They may have a shitload of mass, but they've got zip for weight.

I'm glad I was already sitting down when I read this... Are you saying that if NASA were able to get a long enough chain, they could pull the Earth with a space shuttle?

[Kid Buu]

How well do you goes think Street Fighter characters would do in the DB universe? I'd say they'd probably do well up until the 22nd Tournament...the inability to fly screws them over too. :/

[Kendamu]

How well do you goes think Street Fighter characters would do in the DB universe? I'd say they'd probably do well up until the 22nd Tournament...the inability to fly screws them over too. :/

Sounds like M. Bison would have the advantage, then.

I'd like to see Akuma/Gouki try and use Shun Goku Satsu on Goku (as Goku has no evil in his heart and all).

[Xyex]

...Yeaah...

There's actually nothing impressive about what Superman is doing in this image. The chain, yes. Superman? Nope. Superman is in space. The planets are in space. They may have a shitload of mass, but they've got zip for weight.

I'm glad I was already sitting down when I read this... Are you saying that if NASA were able to get a long enough chain, they could pull the Earth with a space shuttle?

If the Earth was floating out in the dead of space like those planets are? Sure. The only thing to overcome in space is momentum and stellar gravity. There's no stellar gravity involved in that image, and the momentum of the planets is in the same direction as Superman. Considering that the planets are coming from a dead/dying galaxy, there was likely no stellar gravity (or very little) at the time he linked the world's together, so all he had to overcome was their momentum, and that would be a feat I'd expect any 'planet buster' to be capable of.

EDIT
In other words, if Roshi held his breath, he could do that too.

[Goten Forever]

Who would in a fight/Who is stronger between:
A. Piccolo vs. The Incredible Hulk
B. Popeye (after eating a can of spinach) vs. Krillin
C. Goku vs. Superman

A: Piccolo, because he is not only more intelligent than Bruce Banner whe he turns hulk, but the incredible Hulk cannot fly (though he can jump high enough) nor can he shoot energy blasts.
B: Kuririn. Popeye is incredibly strong but has, like the hulk, no ki control. This means Kuririn can just fly into the air and perform a Destructo Disc. Popeye is strong but he can't move at the speed of light.
C: Goku, he has all the qualities of Superman apart from the x-ray vision, and well, there is nothing that can hide from his sense of Ki that could actually hurt him. Also, once again, Superma canot shoot ki blasts, only really stupid lasers from his eyes that wouldn't hurt someone like Goku very much.

For B, if you think Krillin will win, then how many cans of spinach do you think Popeye would need to eat in order to win? (if such an amount exists)
For C, if you think Goku will win then do you think he would need to transform in order to win the fight and iof so what level of super saiyan do you think he would need?

Popeye would have to have 1000 cans with extra sugar to move at the speed of light, and as far as I know spinach doesn't contain sugar. So it is physically impossible he would win.
Goku could kick clark Kent's accounting ass anyday. He only has a powerlevel of 1000 or something, in fact less than that if you compare him to how Goku was in the beginning of Z, of which he could still kick his ass just about.

[Goten Forever]

how good do you reckon the Dragonball characters would do against the transformers?Now THAT is an interesting one.

[Xyex]

Popeye is strong but he can't move at the speed of light.

No one in Dragonball can move at the speed of light, either. Except Goku, but he moves instantly, without any speed involved, so that doesn't really count.

[Goten Forever]

Popeye is strong but he can't move at the speed of light.

No one in Dragonball can move at the speed of light, either. Except Goku, but he moves instantly, without any speed involved, so that doesn't really count.

Yes, they all can from by the beginning of the fight with the Saiyans
Goku was amazed Raditz could move faster than the speed of light. Piccolo and Goku kill Raditz at the cost of Goku's life.
Goku trains at King Kai's planet whilst the others train on Earth. By the time Vegeta and Nappa attack, they are each stronger and faster than Raditz.
If Raditz can move at the speed of light and they can move faster (eve though I wouldn't call a Kamehameha the speed of light) then they can all move faster than the speed of light.
Notice how everyone can move faster than Kamehameha's unless they are about to die?

[SSJSteve]

Goku was amazed Raditz could move faster than the speed of light.

I cant really remember, but did Goku say anything about the speed of light whilst fighting Raditz?

[Kendamu]

Goku was amazed Raditz could move faster than the speed of light.

I cant really remember, but did Goku say anything about the speed of light whilst fighting Raditz?

Piccolo, in a very inaccurate dub moment, claims that Raditz can move faster than light.

If you watch the Kai dub, you'll hear something much more close to the original Japanese line.

[SSJSteve]

Goku was amazed Raditz could move faster than the speed of light.

I cant really remember, but did Goku say anything about the speed of light whilst fighting Raditz?

Piccolo, in a very inaccurate dub moment, claims that Raditz can move faster than light.

If you watch the Kai dub, you'll hear something much more close to the original Japanese line.

Oh right. Do you know what's said in the Kai dub? Also, what is said in the Japanese version?

[Xyex]

Popeye is strong but he can't move at the speed of light.

No one in Dragonball can move at the speed of light, either. Except Goku, but he moves instantly, without any speed involved, so that doesn't really count.

Yes, they all can from by the beginning of the fight with the Saiyans
Goku was amazed Raditz could move faster than the speed of light. Piccolo and Goku kill Raditz at the cost of Goku's life.
Goku trains at King Kai's planet whilst the others train on Earth. By the time Vegeta and Nappa attack, they are each stronger and faster than Raditz.
If Raditz can move at the speed of light and they can move faster (eve though I wouldn't call a Kamehameha the speed of light) then they can all move faster than the speed of light.
Notice how everyone can move faster than Kamehameha's unless they are about to die?

The problem with this is that Raditz can't move faster than the speed of light. No one, ever, is said to move faster than the speed of light. That was a (completely inaccurate) dub line addition. The Kamehameha is not light, none of the attacks in Dragonball are made of light (save the Taiyoken, and note that no one is ever able to dodge that) so dodging them does not require anything near the speed of light.

[Blue]

Oh right. Do you know what's said in the Kai dub? Also, what is said in the Japanese version?

Something along the lines of "What incredible speed". That is why I always took that line figuratively myself.

[Goten Forever]

The problem with this is that Raditz can't move faster than the speed of light. No one, ever, is said to move faster than the speed of light. That was a (completely inaccurate) dub line addition. The Kamehameha is not light, none of the attacks in Dragonball are made of light (save the Taiyoken, and note that no one is ever able to dodge that) so dodging them does not require anything near the speed of light.

So maybey the only versions of that episode were the old FUNi dubs, but it was the one when they gave Gohan's real age so I know it was an edited version.
Can you give me an accurate translation of what was actually said?
Either way, I doubt Popeye could beat a Kamehameha.
Though Krillin also has the Solar Flare attack, blinding Popeye.

[Adamant]

Popeye would have to have 1000 cans with extra sugar to move at the speed of light, and as far as I know spinach doesn't contain sugar. So it is physically impossible he would win.

Are you seriously claiming that Popeye subscribes to the normal laws of physics?

Oh, and Popeye has punched back lightning bolts fired at him before. I'm sure you can find direct examples of actual light-speed movement, too.

[hui43210]

I said what I said and I mean it darn it! I despise Superman and most Western superheroes while I love Dragonball and most Anime/Manga. Well except for GT. Now I thought there would be a more general consensus on a message board such as this but apparently not.

That's not very logical.

Actually what's not very logical is debating over who would win a fight between two fictional characters making any answer entirely based on preference.

[hui43210]

how good do you reckon the Dragonball characters would do against the transformers?Now THAT is an interesting one.

Not really, transformers are just machines with lasers and lasers are proven to be useless in the dragonball universe. Unless it's the headmaster's who apparently can form friendship circles to fire beams of light.