Dragonball GT: not so bad after all

[NeoKING]

GT was the most funnest DB series IMO. Not too long, not too short, interesting episodes. I still find myself watching DBGT these days more than I watch Kai. Oh, and the Japanese BGM is love. GT is like a 90's JRPG with Dragon Ball thrown in the mix fully animated. Yeah, best way I could put it; Dragon Ball was an 80s comedy with action thrown in like lots of Hong Kong cinema back then; Dragon Ball Z was like an 80s fighting game; Dragon Ball GT was like a 90s JRPG with the whole Dragon Ball story thrown in.

[Mountain]

Let's not jump to conclusions. Sure, every "job" is about making money, but in the art world it may differ. I'm quite sure Toriyama had a passion for what he did, meaning that he would have written Dragon Ball with or without money. The point is... not everything is about money; some people think on a higher level.

Toriyama has said he wouldn't have made manga if he didn't need the money.

You can think on whatever level you want - food's gotta be paid for.

Of course everyone has to make a living; I never said they didn't. I just wouldn't consider Toriyama a sellout. Do you honestly believe he did everything only for the money? The ones who do are working in Hollywood right now. That's why there are so many terrible movies these days. And so, this brings me to my very point. Dragon Ball had integrity. GT, in my honest opinion, did not.

[frozie]

Do you honestly believe he did everything only for the money? The ones who do are working in Hollywood right now. That's why there are so many terrible movies these days.

That's quite unfair to the artists in hollywood. I'm sure a lot of the filmmakers who you consider sellouts wish they weren't, but they're usually stuck with tough contracts in a very competitive business atmosphere that has little tolerance for creative freedom. Its marketability or bust.

[Mountain]

Considering I'm in the film industry, I know it quite well. No one asks one to sell out. Coppola and David Lynch, in fact, never sold out; they still make great films today, but let's not get off topic...

I don't hate GT. I just don't care for it. Is that a "no no" these days? o.O

[frozie]

If you can afford it, its quite easy to decide not to "sell out." But not every artist has a marketable name.

[Mountain]

If you can afford it, its quite easy to decide not to "sell out." But not every artist has a marketable name.

And not every artist works for a big corporate studio. Why does everyone think this? The independent film scene is going strong. People are just afraid of art, it seems. I really wish the industry would do a 180, but a revolution may take a while. One thing is for sure: it's long overdue. I miss great storytelling. It's one thing to take a job so that one can survive; it's quite another to just do it for piles of unnecessary money, and there are many that are guilty of this. On the other hand, there are many who are honest, working people. I wasn't pointing fingers at everyone. To reiterate my point, Toriyama was, and still is, a true artist... and it showed. He did what he had to do to create Dragon Ball, a true piece of work. I just don't think he did it only for money. If you guys seriously believe that he doesn't care about his work on a higher level, then I don't know what to tell you...

[jjgp1112]

If you can afford it, its quite easy to decide not to "sell out." But not every artist has a marketable name.

And not every artist works for a big corporate studio. Why does everyone think this? The independent film scene is going strong. People are just afraid of art, it seems. I really wish the industry would do a 180, but a revolution may take a while. One thing is for sure: it's long overdue. I miss great storytelling. It's one thing to take a job so that one can survive; it's quite another to just do it for piles of unnecessary money, and there are many that are guilty of this. On the other hand, there are many who are honest, working people. I wasn't pointing fingers at everyone. To reiterate my point, Toriyama was, and still is, a true artist... and it showed. He did what he had to do to create Dragon Ball, a true piece of work. I just don't think he did it only for money. If you guys seriously believe that he doesn't care about his work on a higher level, then I don't know what to tell you...

Toriyama ended the show as soon as the editors let him, and has emphasized incredibly over the past few years that he has no interest in writing Dragon Ball anymore, and some would suggest that he never particularly liked his work in the first place. I mean, you'd gotta be crazy to think that Toriyama would've spent so many hours making Dragon Ball if he wasn't getting paid for it, since he's said that he hated his schedule (I think).

[Cipher]

Of course everyone has to make a living; I never said they didn't. I just wouldn't consider Toriyama a sellout. Do you honestly believe he did everything only for the money?

By the time the Cell arc rolled around, primarily yes.

There are lots of reasons to like or dislike GT. But it being any more or less of a monetary endeavor than the previous parts shouldn't be one of them.

[Choice195]

Of course everyone has to make a living; I never said they didn't. I just wouldn't consider Toriyama a sellout. Do you honestly believe he did everything only for the money?

By the time the Cell arc rolled around, primarily yes.

There are lots of reasons to like or dislike GT. But it being any more or less of a monetary endeavor than the previous parts shouldn't be one of them.

I hate GT only for one reason.... ok maybe 2.
1. The story
2. The characters
P.S. My birthday is in just 7 Minutes, can't wait to get my dragonboxes.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

GT is underrated, mostly because a lot of reasons why are kinda dumb eg. Gohan is a nerd, Vegeta cheated to get SSJ4, Toriyama didnt write it etc. Some plot holes are easily explained (Shenron didnt consider Pilaf evil) and you have to admit the dark Shenron saga was pretty damn creative.

I don't LOVE GT but i do think its underrated by everyone who demanded it be perfect.

[Metalwario64]

Some plot holes are easily explained (Shenron didnt consider Pilaf evil)

I thought the wish was for the "really/most evil" ones... Or was that a dub line?

[Bussani]

Some plot holes are easily explained (Shenron didnt consider Pilaf evil)

I thought the wish was for the "really/more evil" ones... Or was that a dub line?

It's "except for the very evil ones" in Viz's translation.

[Metalwario64]

Some plot holes are easily explained (Shenron didnt consider Pilaf evil)

I thought the wish was for the "really/more evil" ones... Or was that a dub line?

It's "except for the very evil ones" in Viz's translation.

If that's accurate, then I see no reason for debate. Pilaf certainly wasn't one of the most evil people around.

It's like when people expect Namek to blow in exactly 5 minutes, just because Fri­eza assumed it would, even though he states later that its taking longer than he expected. The fight doesn't literally last 5 minutes...

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Let's not jump to conclusions. Sure, every "job" is about making money, but in the art world it may differ. I'm quite sure Toriyama had a passion for what he did, meaning that he would have written Dragon Ball with or without money. The point is... not everything is about money; some people think on a higher level.

Jobs are about money. Toriyama's job was to draw Manga.

Piccolo Daimaoh, you seem to get upset when others don't share your opinion. Having different opinions is what makes us human.

I'm not upset that people don't share my opinion. I'm just a bit annoyed with all this irrational hatred for Dragon Ball GT. I'm cool with some people not liking the show, but what really grinds my gears is when they don't explain why they think this way or say shallow things like "GT makes no sense" and "the story is random".

[Mountain]

Well, I can understand why you might get irritated with people constantly dissing something that you may be fond of. It's cool.

[Cipher]

I think it's more the fact that it's become impossible to differentiate between people who actually don't like it, and people who have simply been told to not like it.

[Rocketman]

If GT would've stopped sucking Goku's cock for any length of time, it would've been better.

[Cipher]

If GT would've stopped sucking Goku's cock for any length of time, it would've been better.

Even as someone who really enjoys it, I think that's undeniably true.

[Puto]

Perhaps most distressing of all, the series organizer for GT was Aya Matsui, who was scenario writer for the Bulma and the crab episode and the Anoyo-ichi Budoukai.

But I actually liked the Anoyo'ichi Budôkai...

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Well, I can understand why you might get irritated with people constantly dissing something that you may be fond of. It's cool.

No. What irritates me is when people say stupid things like "GT makes no sense" or "the characters got screwed", without explaining why they think this. I would be totally cool with someone coming along, saying they dislike GT and explaning in detail why.