Kid Buu

[hleV]

I have mentioned why people think Super Buu is superior in the past. Goku says he cant take him yet says he can handle Kid Buu.

That's a point in Evil Boo's favor.

People think Southern Kaioshin increased Buu's power.

Well naturally. The "buff" Boo was stated to have been stronger than Evil Boo. Later the Kaioshin confirmed that when Pure Boo had absorbed South Kaioshin 5 millions years ago, he became exactly this "buff" Boo. Then Boo reverts to Pure form and suddenly Goku and Vegeta's so happy about it. Goku then fights equally with Pure Boo.
If you were neutral in Evil Boo vs Pure Boo argument, how would you interpretate this?

Thats pretty much the only evidence they have.

The evidence that Evil Boo > Pure Boo. Now, let's see what you have:

This evidence is pretty much negated by Dabura's statement which states that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu.

You translate "Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo" to "Kaioshins can't strengthen Boo". Good luck with such logic. Neither energy equals to power nor does this statement have much to do with Boo absorbing Kaioshins. This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

This being said either Kaioshin influence is negative or just doesnt affect Buu.

Dai Kaioshin's influence is negative. Kaioshins' energy in general doesn't affect Boo (and I'm not even 100% sure about that). This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

If it is negative Kid Buu is stronger than the South Kai Buu and Super Buu is stated to be weaker than him. If it does nothing that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu whom again was stated to be stronger than Super Buu.

Nothing but Dai Kaioshin has even been shown/stated/implied to be "negative" to Boo. This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

[dbzfan7]

He isnt holding back he is being restrained there is a difference. Super Buu still has Kaioshin influence in him that weakens him and he doesnt notice at all =/. Dude what the hell? I am not throwing away everyones points. You sir are throwing away mine calling them stupid or illogical. Its a little hypocritical if you ask me. I view your points and I use the manga to make an argument against them. I'm not saying that Kid Buu is factually the best I am simply throwing out solid theorys that could lead to Kid Buu's superiority. The thing is no one can seem to discredit Dabura's statement logically so I cant seem to bring myself to think that Super Buu is stronger. I could go either way and when someone bests me Ill admit it but no one has come up with concrete evidence againsts my claims as such you cannot view them as stupid or illogical if you simply disagree or don't like them. Oh and one more thing. The Good Buu isnt holding Kid Buu's power back when fighting Goku its Daikaio's in the form of Buu's presence inside Buu's body.

He would notice if he was not using his full power. Where did you get it was Daikaio holding him back. It isn't even stated in the manga. We use manga points that say Kid Boo can be bested without fusion and Super Boo can't. You use a unelaborated statement of Dabura, and the one weakening absrobtion which you say South Kaioshin either weakened him or did nothing.

Your whole thing on Dabura's statement doesn't make sense. He just says we can't use Kaioshin energy, he doesn't say why. You just made your reason why you think why.

You have yet to explain why Goku would fight someone you call stronger then Super Boo alone. He already called Super Boo impossible to fight alone or even with Vegeta. But fighting someone stronger then Super Boo alone is logical.

I would say Super Boo was influenced, not restrained. Restrained usually shows some resistance. Super Boo showed none.

[Hitiro]

I'm well aware Super Buu is equal to SSJ3 Gotenks but Like I said before SSJ Gotenks does not have to be equal to SSJ3 Goku he just has to be stronger than the Fat Buu. Yeah Buff Buu's power increasing past Super Buu helps prove my point. You apperantly dont listen. Kid Buu's power decrease because Good Buu was still in there.

Fine, I can see that you're having a hard time understanding. So I will used numbers to help.

To start with, Goku fights Fat Buu in SSJ3, later we find he could have picked him apart without to much trouble so lets just use these two as a base for the rest of the characters.

SSJ3 Goku
Powerlevel: 200 (Goku's base powerlevel: 200/400 = 0.5)

vs.

Fat Buu
Powerlevel: 100

Now then, Goku teaches the fusion to the boys in hopes that they would beat Buu in his stead to become Earth's future protectors. Gotenks can't beat Fat Buu unless he's got SSJ so it should look something like this.

SSJ Gotenks
Powerlevel: 150 (Gotenks base powerlevel: 150/50 = 3)

vs.

Fat Buu
Powerlevel: 100

Now Fat Buu becomes Good Buu but releases Evil Buu who overpowers Good Buu to absorb him. Goten and Trunks enter the ROSAT to train to beat the newly formed Super Buu. During their training they gain some more power and learn SSJ3. The fight ensues where Gotenks is forced to use SSJ3 to escape the ROSAT and confront Super Buu.

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

From this we know Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks so the fight between Gotenks and Super Buu should look something like this.

SSJ3 Gotenks
Powerlevel: 1,600 (Gotenks base powerlevel: 1,600/400 = 4)

vs.

Super Buu
Powerlevel: 1,800

Following this Gohan arrives and Gotenks gets absorbed because Super Buu see's Gohan as a threat so he can be the strongest again. Later Gohan gets absorbed so Goku searches for Vegeta who he senses just arrived from Otherworld. Goku convinces Vegeta to fuse with him. As Vegito they hatch a plan to enter Super Buu and save the boys and Piccolo. They enter and remove the boys and Piccolo. From here Goku makes a point before they plan to leave.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Lets check this against my math.

SSJ3 Goku
Powerlevel: 200 (Goku's base powerlevel: 200/400 = 0.5)

vs.

Super Buu
Powerlevel: 1,800

It seems to add up, SSJ3 Goku is over 8 times weaker than Super Buu. So lets continue. Vegeta quickly thinks up a plan.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P7.3-6
Context: Vegeta grabs good Boo’s pod and wonders what will happen if he pulls it out
Vegeta: “This’ll be fun…Will you turn back into this fatso? Or will you become that scrawny guy? …Either way, it seems that your power will doubtlessly fall below what it is now.”
Boo: “Sto-stop it! Do-don’t touch that! Hands off!”
Vegeta: “Kukkukku…You seem even more panicked than I expected…Apparently it will be quite unfavorable for you…”
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”
Goku: “’I’ll stop being me’…?”
Vegeta: “That sounds interesting…Did you really think I’d listen to you?”

Vegeta proceeds to detach the Good Buu from Super Buu to try and weaken him further. They quickly escape as it becomes unsafe to remain in Super Buu's body. Suddenly Super Buu starts to undergo a transformation.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

At this point Super Buu has become his S. Kaioshin form which, according to strength checker, is more powerful than Super Buu. We don't know by how much but I'll just keep it small and say its an extra 200 onto his powerlevel. Now a fight between SSJ3 Goku vs S. Kaioshin Buu would look something like this:

SSJ3 Goku
Powerlevel: 200 (Goku's base powerlevel: 200/400 = 0.5)

vs.

S. Kaioshin Buu
Powerlevel: 2,000

This seems bad for Goku, Buu is now 10 times stronger than him. Now somewhere between him changing from S. Kaioshin Buu to Kid Buu his powerlevel MUST have decreased for Goku to declare that he could beat Kid Buu at full power. Lets check the strength checker once again to confirm Goku's words.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

I have bolded Goku's line, he says that they might be able to manage something. Let's check for his actual declaration of him being able to beat Kid Buu at full power.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

So somewhere Kid Buu's powerlevel must have fallen by at least 1,825. The fight should be something like this:

SSJ3 Goku
Powerlevel: 200 (Goku's base powerlevel: 200/400 = 0.5)

vs.

Kid Buu
Powerlevel: 175

Now you're telling me that Kid Buu was restrained at this point and that when Kid Buu spat out Good Buu his powerlevel went from 175 up to 2,000+? Explain to me how this happened and why Goku nor Vegeta noticed his powerlevel increase by such a massive amount. The last battle to happen in the story is Base Vegeta vs Kid Buu. So you're telling me its something like this?

Base Vegeta
Powerlevel: 0.4

vs.

Kid Buu(Unrestrained according to what you have said)
Powerlevel: 2,175

[Mystic Gohan]

Dude saying you saw something isnt enough. You have to provide evidence
That's okay, would rather pick your argument apart with clear power statements from the manga. Goku says they will die against Super Buu.

Super Buu >>> SSjin 3 Goku stated.

Goku says that they can manage something against Kid Buu.

Super Buu >>> Kid Buu implied.

SSjin 3 Goku proceeds to fight evenly with Kid Buu.

Kid Buu > Super Buu >>> SSjin 3 Goku ~ Kid Buu is impossible.

I already went into detail about this using proof from the manga. Remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? Kid Buu was still restrained by the Good Buu until he spit him out. Proof of this lies in the fact that he couldnt attack Mister Satan.

He was restrained, because Good Buu is treated like Fat Buu in the Kid Buu portion of the manga. Vegeta believes that Good Buu could spawn another Buu, which would be an impossibility. Plus, Kid Buu could only hold back against Satan. He went all out on Goku as evidence by his fight, and he absolutely demolished SSjin 2 Vegeta. There's only influence towards Satan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He isnt holding back he is being restrained there is a difference. Super Buu still has Kaioshin influence in him that weakens him and he doesnt notice at all =/. Dude what the hell? I am not throwing away everyones points. You sir are throwing away mine calling them stupid or illogical. Its a little hypocritical if you ask me. I view your points and I use the manga to make an argument against them. I'm not saying that Kid Buu is factually the best I am simply throwing out solid theorys that could lead to Kid Buu's superiority. The thing is no one can seem to discredit Dabura's statement logically so I cant seem to bring myself to think that Super Buu is stronger. I could go either way and when someone bests me Ill admit it but no one has come up with concrete evidence againsts my claims as such you cannot view them as stupid or illogical if you simply disagree or don't like them. Oh and one more thing. The Good Buu isnt holding Kid Buu's power back when fighting Goku its Daikaio's in the form of Buu's presence inside Buu's body.

He would notice if he was not using his full power. Where did you get it was Daikaio holding him back. It isn't even stated in the manga. We use manga points that say Kid Boo can be bested without fusion and Super Boo can't. You use a unelaborated statement of Dabura, and the one weakening absrobtion which you say South Kaioshin either weakened him or did nothing.

Your whole thing on Dabura's statement doesn't make sense. He just says we can't use Kaioshin energy, he doesn't say why. You just made your reason why you think why.

You have yet to explain why Goku would fight someone you call stronger then Super Boo alone. He already called Super Boo impossible to fight alone or even with Vegeta. But fighting someone stronger then Super Boo alone is logical.

I would say Super Boo was influenced, not restrained. Restrained usually shows some resistance. Super Boo showed none.

No he wouldnt. I just gave an example of how super buu doesnt know he is restrained =\. What is unelaborated? Dabura states Kaioshins energy cant be used to revive Buu. Need I remind you that Dabura is also a Majin(Demon) and would more than likely know whether or not the energy of the Kaioshins is incompatible. Seriously why in the first place would they excersize cauion with the energy of the Kai`s when they have no knowledge of what Daikaio did to Buu? Seriously explain that. It seems to me you are trying to write it off since you have nothing else against it other than than you think its vague when there is no reason to think that. Yeah he did call it impossible to fight Super Buu alone however I will point out again that Kid Buu was restrained by the Daikaio influence still inside Buu. Ok really? You think Super Buu was not restrained? The evil half of Fat Buu was not restrained when he saw Mister Satan? Dude you are just trying to find any excuse you can arent you?

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Kid Boo is definitely weaker than Super Boo.
Super Boo was able to (just barely), hold off SSj3 Gotenks for a bit while Kid Boo was on a closer level to Super Saiyan 3 Goku, evidence being that Goku was able to surprise him and fluster him a few times during their fight. However, to put him and Goku on the same level to me downgrades him. I do believe that he could've killed Goku rather easily if he'd really put his full heart into the fight, but due to his care-free attitude (the dude was sleeping right as him and Goku were going to exchange blows), and his incompetence, that's the only reason that Goku was able to live through the fight.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have mentioned why people think Super Buu is superior in the past. Goku says he cant take him yet says he can handle Kid Buu.

That's a point in Evil Boo's favor.

People think Southern Kaioshin increased Buu's power.

Well naturally. The "buff" Boo was stated to have been stronger than Evil Boo. Later the Kaioshin confirmed that when Pure Boo had absorbed South Kaioshin 5 millions years ago, he became exactly this "buff" Boo. Then Boo reverts to Pure form and suddenly Goku and Vegeta's so happy about it. Goku then fights equally with Pure Boo.
If you were neutral in Evil Boo vs Pure Boo argument, how would you interpretate this?

Thats pretty much the only evidence they have.

The evidence that Evil Boo > Pure Boo. Now, let's see what you have:

This evidence is pretty much negated by Dabura's statement which states that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu.

You translate "Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo" to "Kaioshins can't strengthen Boo". Good luck with such logic. Neither energy equals to power nor does this statement have much to do with Boo absorbing Kaioshins. This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

This being said either Kaioshin influence is negative or just doesnt affect Buu.

Dai Kaioshin's influence is negative. Kaioshins' energy in general doesn't affect Boo (and I'm not even 100% sure about that). This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

If it is negative Kid Buu is stronger than the South Kai Buu and Super Buu is stated to be weaker than him. If it does nothing that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu whom again was stated to be stronger than Super Buu.

Nothing but Dai Kaioshin has even been shown/stated/implied to be "negative" to Boo. This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

I see you decided to ignore the nuetraul Kaioshin influence point I brought up.

[dbzfan7]

He isnt holding back he is being restrained there is a difference. Super Buu still has Kaioshin influence in him that weakens him and he doesnt notice at all =/. Dude what the hell? I am not throwing away everyones points. You sir are throwing away mine calling them stupid or illogical. Its a little hypocritical if you ask me. I view your points and I use the manga to make an argument against them. I'm not saying that Kid Buu is factually the best I am simply throwing out solid theorys that could lead to Kid Buu's superiority. The thing is no one can seem to discredit Dabura's statement logically so I cant seem to bring myself to think that Super Buu is stronger. I could go either way and when someone bests me Ill admit it but no one has come up with concrete evidence againsts my claims as such you cannot view them as stupid or illogical if you simply disagree or don't like them. Oh and one more thing. The Good Buu isnt holding Kid Buu's power back when fighting Goku its Daikaio's in the form of Buu's presence inside Buu's body.

He would notice if he was not using his full power. Where did you get it was Daikaio holding him back. It isn't even stated in the manga. We use manga points that say Kid Boo can be bested without fusion and Super Boo can't. You use a unelaborated statement of Dabura, and the one weakening absrobtion which you say South Kaioshin either weakened him or did nothing.

Your whole thing on Dabura's statement doesn't make sense. He just says we can't use Kaioshin energy, he doesn't say why. You just made your reason why you think why.

You have yet to explain why Goku would fight someone you call stronger then Super Boo alone. He already called Super Boo impossible to fight alone or even with Vegeta. But fighting someone stronger then Super Boo alone is logical.

I would say Super Boo was influenced, not restrained. Restrained usually shows some resistance. Super Boo showed none.

No he wouldnt. I just gave an example of how super buu doesnt know he is restrained =\. What is unelaborated? Dabura states Kaioshins energy cant be used to revive Buu. Need I remind you that Dabura is also a Majin(Demon) and would more than likely know whether or not the energy of the Kaioshins is incompatible. Seriously why in the first place would they excersize cauion with the energy of the Kai`s when they have no knowledge of what Daikaio did to Buu? Seriously explain that. It seems to me you are trying to write it off since you have nothing else against it other than than you think its vague when there is no reason to think that. Yeah he did call it impossible to fight Super Buu alone however I will point out again that Kid Buu was restrained by the Daikaio influence still inside Buu. Ok really? You think Super Buu was not restrained? The evil half of Fat Buu was not restrained when he saw Mister Satan? Dude you are just trying to find any excuse you can arent you?

Look who's talking. You are now including Dai Kaioshin's influence which is in Good Boo, not Kid Boo. Dabura said we couldn't use the energy of the Kai's but didn't say why. How would Dabura know what is compatible or not because he is a demon. Not all demons are the same. I see your point now with the Dai Kaio but to say his influence stopped Kid Boo when it is inside Good Boo is ridiculous. No where in the manga, anime, guidebooks, or anywhere does it say that the influence locked in Good Boo magically restrained Kid Boo before Good Boo did. He was not restrained by The Dai Kaioshin influence which is in Good Boo. Good Boo is the only thing restraining him and that was only done for Satan. Hitro does a good analysis of the situation.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kid Boo is definitely weaker than Super Boo.
Super Boo was able to (just barely), hold off SSj3 Gotenks for a bit while Kid Boo was on a closer level to Super Saiyan 3 Goku, evidence being that Goku was able to surprise him and fluster him a few times during their fight. However, to put him and Goku on the same level to me downgrades him. I do believe that he could've killed Goku rather easily if he'd really put his full heart into the fight, but due to his care-free attitude (the dude was sleeping right as him and Goku were going to exchange blows), and his incompetence, that's the only reason that Goku was able to live through the fight.

Please read the Topic I cover this.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Look who's talking. You are now including Dai Kaioshin who can't be restraining anybody after he is long gone. Dabura said we couldn't use the energy of the Kai's but didn't say why. How would Dabura know what is compatible or not because he is a demon. Not all demons are the same. I see your point now with the Dai Kaio but to say he stopped Boo from going all out is ridiculous. No where in the manga, anime, guidebooks, or anywhere does it say that. He was not restrained by The Daikai influence, only Good Boo can do that, and he did when Satan was in trouble.

His influence is not long gone. Good Buu`s power is still the same therefore it is still there. How? How is saying the Daikaio influence restrained him ridiculous? Good Buu is affected by the Daikaioshin influence and Good Buu proved he doesnt ahave to be connected to influence him. why would it be any different for Daikaio? Furthermore I will again state what reason is there for Dabura to be cautious in thr first place? Neither him or Babidi know of Daikaio`s weakening effect. Proof of this lies in the fact that Babidid is like what the hell when he says Buu same with Dabura. naturally they have no reason to be cautious unless Dabura knows something no one else does.

[dbzfan7]

Look who's talking. You are now including Dai Kaioshin who can't be restraining anybody after he is long gone. Dabura said we couldn't use the energy of the Kai's but didn't say why. How would Dabura know what is compatible or not because he is a demon. Not all demons are the same. I see your point now with the Dai Kaio but to say he stopped Boo from going all out is ridiculous. No where in the manga, anime, guidebooks, or anywhere does it say that. He was not restrained by The Daikai influence, only Good Boo can do that, and he did when Satan was in trouble.

His influence is not long gone. Good Buu`s power is still the same therefore it is still there. How? How is saying the Daikaio influence restrained him ridiculous? Good Buu is affected by the Daikaioshin influence and Good Buu proved he doesnt ahave to be connected to influence him. why would it be any different for Daikaio? Furthermore I will again state what reason is there for Dabura to be cautious in thr first place? Neither him or Babidi know of Daikaio`s weakening effect. Proof of this lies in the fact that Babidid is like what the hell when he says Buu same with Dabura. naturally they have no reason to be cautious unless Dabura knows something no one else does.

I said I agree with what you said about the Babidi and not knowing. I disagree with Dai Kaioshin influences Kid Boo when he is in the body of Fat Boo. He can't influence Kid Boo when he is in Good Boo's system. No where is it seen or stated his influence can go beyond the biology he is already apart of. Dai Kaioshin is absorbed into Good Boo. He is no longer connected to Kid Boo. The influence is part of Good Boo. That influence can't by pass Good Boo's biology and randomly weaken Kid Boo. Good Boo has control of his body, not Dai Kaioshin. Dai Kaioshin is not connected to Kid Boo's body, he is connected to Good Boo's body. Hitro has the power statements to look at. How does Dai Kaioshin influence weaken Kid Boo when he is in Fat Boo's body. His influence can only affect Fat Boo. And Fat Boo didn't do anything until Mr. Satan was in trouble.

[TheMightyOzaru]

@Hitro Ok I am not gonna keep repeating myself to you. I have already covered these topics but you refuse to actually look at what I'm saying. You continue to go on about stuff everbody already knows and then disreguard any previous statments that explain my points against the claims you make. Seriously enough with the power levels stuff. What you think is concrete is not necessarily the case.

[Hitiro]

@Hitro Ok I am not gonna keep repeating myself to you. I have already covered these topics but you refuse to actually look at what I'm saying. You continue to go on about stuff everbody already knows and then disreguard any previous statments that explain my points against the claims you make. Seriously enough with the power levels stuff. What you think is concrete is not necessarily the case.

My answer is concrete, despite everything you say nothing in the post I put up earlier is an incorrect assumption. Look at the math, you're saying that Kid Buu who, by my math, is 175(For him to be on par with Goku who isn't fighting at full throttle) increased by 2,000+ to be over Super Boo and S. Kaioshin Buu after he spat out Good Buu who was restraining him. Explain how the characters could ignore such a massive increase in power? I'm sorry to say this but EVERYONE here is telling you that you're incorrect and yet you refuse to take it on board because you're too stubborn.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I said I agree with what you said about the Babidi and not knowing. I disagree with Dai Kaioshin influences Kid Boo when he is in the body of Fat Boo. He can't influence Kid Boo when he is in Good Boo's system. No where is it seen or stated his influence can go beyond the biology he is already apart of. Dai Kaioshin is absorbed into Good Boo. He is no longer connected to Kid Boo. The influence is part of Good Boo. That influence can't by pass Good Boo's biology and randomly weaken Kid Boo. Good Boo has control of his body, not Dai Kaioshin. Dai Kaioshin is not connected to Kid Boo's body, he is connected to Good Boo's body. Hitro has the power statements to look at. How does Dai Kaioshin influence weaken Kid Boo when he is in Fat Boo's body. His influence can only affect Fat Boo. And Fat Boo didn't do anything until Mr. Satan was in trouble.

Yes he can he did it to Super Buu. In case you forgot after Good Buu was unatached his power began to grow proving that Super Buu was held back by Good Buu`s Kaioshin influence.

[dbzfan7]

Yes he can he did it to Super Buu. In case you forgot after Good Buu was unatached his power began to grow proving that Super Buu was held back by Good Buu`s Kaioshin influence.

Good boo was the one who held back Super Boo from killing Mr. Satan, not Dai Kaioshin influence. Where was Dai Kaioshin influence holding Boo back when Super Boo fought anyone else. Perhaps Mystic Gohan couldn't beat Super Boo because he was held back by Dai Kaioshin influence that weakened him too. Perhaps Vegetto got lucky because Dai Kaioshin influence weakened Boohan too so Vegetto wasn't stronger. I guess Fat Boo could beat SSJ3 Goku, he was just weakened by Dai Kaioshin influence. If Dai Kaioshin influence can work when not even connected to Kid Boo's body, I guess every form of Boo was actually weakened and restricted.

[TheMightyOzaru]

@Hitro Ok I am not gonna keep repeating myself to you. I have already covered these topics but you refuse to actually look at what I'm saying. You continue to go on about stuff everbody already knows and then disreguard any previous statments that explain my points against the claims you make. Seriously enough with the power levels stuff. What you think is concrete is not necessarily the case.

It is concrete, despite everything you say nothing in the post I put up earlier is an incorrect assumption. Look at the math, you're saying that Kid Buu who, by my math, is 175(For him to be on par with Goku who isn't fighting at full throttle) increased by 2,000+ to be over Super Boo and S. Kaioshin Buu after he spat out Good Buu who was restraining him. Explain how the characters could ignore such a massive increase in power? I'm sorry to say this but EVERYONE here is telling you that you're incorrect and yet you refuse to it on board because you're too stubborn.

There is no concrete math no one knows where exaclty everyone stands in the Buu saga furthermore kid buu doesnt have to be like 10x stronger after Good Buu is removed. You wanna know where I have everybody? Here:
Fat Buu: 625,000,000,000
SSJ Goku(supressed): 640,000,000,000
Good Buu: 225,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 400,000,000,000
Super Buu: 9,000,000,000,000
Gotenks: 22,500,000,000(+)
SSJ Gotenks: 1,125,000,000,000(+)
SSJ3 Gotenks: 9,000,000,000,000(+)
Gohan: 15,000,000,000,000
Buutenks: 18,002,400,000,000(+)
Buuhan: 24,002,626,000,000(+)
Vegetto: 20,000,000,000,000
SSJ Vegetto: 1,000,000,000,000,000
Buff Buu: 13,000,000,000,000 or 10,400,000,000,000
Kid Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): about 2,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 2,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 13,000,000,000,000
Genki Dama: 13,000,000,000,000

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yes he can he did it to Super Buu. In case you forgot after Good Buu was unatached his power began to grow proving that Super Buu was held back by Good Buu`s Kaioshin influence.

Good boo was the one who held back Super Boo from killing Mr. Satan, not Dai Kaioshin influence. Where was Dai Kaioshin influence holding Boo back when Super Boo fought anyone else. Perhaps Mystic Gohan couldn't beat Super Boo because he was held back by Dai Kaioshin influence that weakened him too. Perhaps Vegetto got lucky because Dai Kaioshin influence weakened Boohan too so Vegetto wasn't stronger. I guess Fat Boo could beat SSJ3 Goku, he was just weakened by Dai Kaioshin influence. If Dai Kaioshin influence can work when not even connected to Kid Boo's body, I guess every form of Boo was actually weakened and restricted.

Umm... what? You didnt adress my statement at all =/.

[dbzfan7]

Yes he can he did it to Super Buu. In case you forgot after Good Buu was unatached his power began to grow proving that Super Buu was held back by Good Buu`s Kaioshin influence.

Good boo was the one who held back Super Boo from killing Mr. Satan, not Dai Kaioshin influence. Where was Dai Kaioshin influence holding Boo back when Super Boo fought anyone else. Perhaps Mystic Gohan couldn't beat Super Boo because he was held back by Dai Kaioshin influence that weakened him too. Perhaps Vegetto got lucky because Dai Kaioshin influence weakened Boohan too so Vegetto wasn't stronger. I guess Fat Boo could beat SSJ3 Goku, he was just weakened by Dai Kaioshin influence. If Dai Kaioshin influence can work when not even connected to Kid Boo's body, I guess every form of Boo was actually weakened and restricted.

Umm... what? You didnt adress my statement at all =/.

If Dai Kaioshin influence worked on Kid Boo, I guess every form of Boo was weakened by it too then. Gohan couldn't beat Super Boo because of Dai Kaioshin influence holding him back, Vegetto only won because Dai Kaioshin influence weakened Boohan. Fat Boo would have destroyed Goku if it weren't for Dai Kaioshin influence weakening him. That excuse can work anywhere.

You forgot to add Dai Kaioshin influence on each form of Boo, since you seem to believe it works for Kid Boo it should be in place for the others too.

[Hitiro]

@Hitro Ok I am not gonna keep repeating myself to you. I have already covered these topics but you refuse to actually look at what I'm saying. You continue to go on about stuff everbody already knows and then disreguard any previous statments that explain my points against the claims you make. Seriously enough with the power levels stuff. What you think is concrete is not necessarily the case.

It is concrete, despite everything you say nothing in the post I put up earlier is an incorrect assumption. Look at the math, you're saying that Kid Buu who, by my math, is 175(For him to be on par with Goku who isn't fighting at full throttle) increased by 2,000+ to be over Super Boo and S. Kaioshin Buu after he spat out Good Buu who was restraining him. Explain how the characters could ignore such a massive increase in power? I'm sorry to say this but EVERYONE here is telling you that you're incorrect and yet you refuse to it on board because you're too stubborn.

There is no concrete math no one knows where exaclty everyone stands in the Buu saga furthermore kid buu doesnt have to be like 10x stronger after Good Buu is removed. You wanna know where I have everybody? Here:
Fat Buu: 625,000,000,000
SSJ Goku(supressed): 640,000,000,000
Good Buu: 225,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 400,000,000,000
Super Buu: 9,000,000,000,000
Gotenks: 22,500,000,000(+)
SSJ Gotenks: 1,125,000,000,000(+)
SSJ3 Gotenks: 9,000,000,000,000(+)
Gohan: 15,000,000,000,000
Buutenks: 18,002,400,000,000(+)
Buuhan: 24,002,626,000,000(+)
Vegetto: 20,000,000,000,000
SSJ Vegetto: 1,000,000,000,000,000
Buff Buu: 13,000,000,000,000 or 10,400,000,000,000
Kid Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): about 2,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 2,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 13,000,000,000,000
Genki Dama: 13,000,000,000,000

Of course there is no concrete math, I just broke it down and gave numbers varying on what we know. For starters we know that Super Buu says only Gohan is a threat to him. I really doubt his powerlevel is at the same level as SSJ3 Gotenks. It would be higher.

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Secondly if their powerlevels are so damn high why would a measly 30 billion(average accumulated powerlevel of all the humans on earth) make a difference? Are you trying to tell me they were short on a ki equivalent of a powerlevel of 30 billion so they needed every human? And also you should know by now that a character close to Buu in strength doesn't have a chance in completely destroying Buu, he'd have to be higher than being equal in his power. So a Genki Dama matching his exact powerlevel wouldn't really do anything. And lastly where I have bolded is what is wrong with your argument. You're telling me that Kid Buu went from being restrained at two trillion to being unrestrained at thirteen trillion, increasing his powerlevel over 6 times and no character brought it up? How does Goku or Vegeta not notice such a large increase? Please explain this.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Of course there is no concrete math, I just broke it down and gave numbers varying on what we know. For starters we know that Super Buu says only Gohan is a threat to him. I really doubt his powerlevel is at the same level as SSJ3 Gotenks. It would be higher.

Sigh... no you gave what you think is fact not what is. It is absolutely not fact that Gotenks is 8x stronger than Goku. Its only stated that Gotenks is enough to beat Fat Buu. Gohan is not a lot stronger than Gotenks but the difference is present. My power levels might not be fact but they do not in any way contradict the manga proving your statements are just opinion and theory just like mine.

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Secondly if their powerlevels are so damn high why would a measly 30 billion(average accumulated powerlevel of all the humans on earth) make a difference? Are you trying to tell me they were short on a ki equivalent of a powerlevel of 30 billion so they needed every human? And also you should know by now that a character close to Buu in strength doesn't have a chance in completely destroying Buu, he'd have to be higher than being equal in his power. So a Genki Dama matching his exact powerlevel wouldn't really do anything. And lastly where I have bolded is what is wrong with your argument. You're telling me that Kid Buu went from being restrained at two trillion to being unrestrained at thirteen trillion, increasing his powerlevel over 6 times and no character brought it up? How does Goku or Vegeta not notice such a large increase? Please explain this.[/quote]
Lol you proved nothing with that . No where does it say that Gohan is his only threat. In case you had forgotten Gotenks was giving him a run for his money =/.