Kid Buu

[TheMightyOzaru]

As some of you know I think Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. That said I'm gonna go into detail explaining why this is and

how Kid Buu could be stronger than Super Buu. I will first start with what started the idea in the first place.

Kibito Kaioshin: "...Yes...His heart which he obtained by lowering his power through absorption(s), has returned to

normal...He has no restraint whatsoever...He's become evil itself..."

Some people view this as Kibito Kaioshin only referring to Daikaioshin. Well he says Buu lost power through absorption.

This can be viewed as Kibito Kaioshin referring to absorption in general. That being said that would mean Southern Kaioshin

too lead to a power decrease. So thats one instance of general Kaioshin negativity in relation to Majin Buu. Another example is something Dabura says

Dabura: " "Seems they're trying to hide from us...In total...there are 7. We can't use Kaioshin and Kibito's energy...But 3 of them seem to have marvelous energy..."

Notice how Dabura says we CAN'T use Kibito or Kaioshins energy. What makes there Ki so special it wouldnt do them any

good? It would appear that this is another example of Kaioshin negativity. Another example would be Vegetto. When

Vegetto was inside Buu's body he diffused. Why? Again from where I stand it looks like Buu had a negative reaction to the

Potara earrings. Potara earrings are explicitly related to the Kai's. They are the preferred fusion method of the gods and all

Kaioshins where them. Now some people will bring up that just fusion doesnt work unless in a pod. Well Gotenks still diffused

while in that pod didnt he? Gotenk's face was exposed to that atmosphere wasnt it? Goku suggested it was possible to do

the fusion dance in Buu's body didnt he? Why yes all of the above is true. This seems like another negative reaction to me.

That being said after Good Buu was removed from Super Buu's body he slowly started to regress back to his original form.

Something interesting here is that Goku said Buu's energy was increasing. Buff Buu is supposedly the Buu that had absorbed

Southern Kaioshin according to the anime. If that is indeed the case and Kid Buu is stronger than Southern Kaioshin Buu

that would mean Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. However we arent done yet. If you notice SSJ3 Goku was fairing very

well against Kid Buu and Kid Buu even looked like he was trying in the beginning. He even tried turning Goku into chocolate.

Well that would be contradictory except there is something that is being skipped over here. Do any of you remember when

Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? When he did he had that look of like Oh yeah I feel sooooooooooooo much better. He even

looked less restrained a good deal more evil. My theory here is that Good Buu restrained his power when he fought Goku.

Now the reason this didnt bring him to Fat Buu's power level was because he was not directly connected to Buu. Either that

or Kid Buu was equal to Fat Buu at the time and SSJ3 Goku is around Fat Buu's level but I personally believe that Goku was

holding back when he fought Fat Buu. Now after the Good Buu was removed he fought back making it seem like Kid Buu's

power hadnt changed at all however if you notice Kid Buu gives no signs of trying and is even enjoying himself. It would

appear he is holding back and Good Buu even says something along of the lines of "No way... I dont think I can win...". This

explains why Goku did so well at first. The Genki Dama also seems to be a factor in why Kid Buu is superior. The Genki Dama

is formed from energy from the Z-fighters, Earthlings, Namekians, Kaioshins, and People at the Check-in-Station. Note that

Gohan is one of the Z-Fighters whom gave some of his Genki. Now I am aware that the Genki Dama is formed by Genki but

Genki is just a category of Ki. It would appear that Genki is also the majority of usable Ki for techniques. I say this because

when Dende asked Kibito Kaioshin to use instant transmission he said he was out of energy and couldnt do it. It would

definitely appear that Genki is a lot of Ki. Now I am also aware that after being revived you arent 100% as stated in the

Guide Books and even by Goku himself. That being said that doesnt mean they are heavily drained. Gohan could very well be

at 2/3 of his power and that would still be a ton of Genki. So the Genki Dama is too a factor in deciding who is more

powerful. Now there are my 2 cents let me know what you guys think.

EDIT: I no longer believe Kid Buu is superior.

[Mystic Gohan]

Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the only absorbee to affect Buu abormally. Plus, when Buu's ki is increasing the Buu who's out there is clearly not Kid Buu.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the only absorbee to affect Buu abormally. Plus, when Buu's ki is increasing the Buu who's out there is clearly not Kid Buu.

No it wasnt =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

[Kaboom]

No it wasn't =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

That's a little hard to do with the post as it is now. Please consider editing it to be more readable. Some line breaks and punctuation would help a lot.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No it wasn't =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

That's a little hard to do with the post as it is now. Please consider editing it to be more readable. Some line breaks and punctuation would help a lot.

Its not that bad. Yes I could have made it clearer but I was just addressing points so I didnt put too much detail in my comment.

[Mystic Gohan]

Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the only absorbee to affect Buu abormally. Plus, when Buu's ki is increasing the Buu who's out there is clearly not Kid Buu.

No it wasnt =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

It hurts my eyes to read giant walls of texts. Not to be a grammar nazi or anything, but it would be appreciated if you could space your post into paragraphs. I read the first part about Kaioshin's not being able to give the Buu's power and I knew you were going to bring up Buff Buu being > Super Buu, but since Kaioshin's don't give power to Buu, it had to be all of Kid Buu's power. It's quite a common argument from Kid Buu supporters such as yourself, no offense intended.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the only absorbee to affect Buu abormally. Plus, when Buu's ki is increasing the Buu who's out there is clearly not Kid Buu.

No it wasnt =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

It hurts my eyes to read giant walls of texts. Not to be a grammar nazi or anything, but it would be appreciated if you could space your post into paragraphs. I read the first part about Kaioshin's not being able to give the Buu's power and I knew you were going to bring up Buff Buu being > Super Buu, but since Kaioshin's don't give power to Buu, it had to be all of Kid Buu's power. It's quite a common argument from Kid Buu supporters such as yourself, no offense intended.

Ill edit to everyone's liking then, it'l just take a while. Buff Buu was stated to have been stronger than Super Buu. Since Kaioshins reduce Buu's power that would mean the Buff Majin Buu is weaker than Kid Buu and thus its Kid Buu > Buff Buu > Super Buu.

[Fox666]

Kibito Kaioshin: "...Yes...His heart which he obtained by lowering his power through absorption(s), has returned to normal...He has no restraint whatsoever...He's become evil itself..."
Some people view this as Kibito Kaioshin only referring to Daikaioshin. Well he says Buu lost power through absorption. This can be viewed as Kibito Kaioshin referring to absorption in general. That being said that would mean Southern Kaioshin too lead to a power decrease.

No it doesn't. While that single word could have another meaning, the text itself is clear about Dai Kaioshin being the only one who lowered Boo's power, and that word doesn't affect it.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself [although he already had the South Kaioshin absorbed at this point], a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

And I believe it is safe to assume that since nothing is said about the South Kaioshin, he is not a special case and increased Boo's power like everybody.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kibito Kaioshin: "...Yes...His heart which he obtained by lowering his power through absorption(s), has returned to normal...He has no restraint whatsoever...He's become evil itself..."
Some people view this as Kibito Kaioshin only referring to Daikaioshin. Well he says Buu lost power through absorption. This can be viewed as Kibito Kaioshin referring to absorption in general. That being said that would mean Southern Kaioshin too lead to a power decrease.

No it doesn't. While that single word could have another meaning, the text itself is clear about Dai Kaioshin being the only one who lowered Boo's power, and that word doesn't affect it.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself [although he already had the South Kaioshin absorbed at this point], a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

And I believe it is safe to assume that since nothing is said about the South Kaioshin, it's safe to assume he is not a special case, and increased Boo's power like everybody.

Kaioshin influence has shown to be generally negative to Buu throughout the Buu arc. Nothing special has to be said about South kaioshin.

[CaBrPi]

Can you specify ANY other times that's actually shown?

[Hitiro]

First of all, you really need to use paragraphs. Its hard to read what you are saying in this text because you lumped most of it together.

As some of you know I think Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. That said I'm gonna go into detail explaining why this is and how Kid Buu could be stronger First of all, you really need to use paragraphs. Its hard to read what you are saying in this text because you lumped most of it together.than Super Buu. I will first start with what started the idea in the first place.
Kibito Kaioshin: "...Yes...His heart which he obtained by lowering his power through absorption(s), has returned to normal...He has no restraint whatsoever...He's become evil itself..."
Some people view this as Kibito Kaioshin only referring to Daikaioshin. Well he says Buu lost power through absorption. This can be viewed as Kibito Kaioshin referring to absorption in general. That being said that would mean Southern Kaioshin too lead to a power decrease.

The initial quote before this though was in reference to when Buu reverted to his buff self. In that quote Goku mentions that his ki is growing. This means that the Southern Kaioshin must of had some increased effect on Majin Buu's ki. You could say that this has no relevance as he was just reverting but no point was made that his ki continued to grow after he started to turn into Kid Buu. The only quote we see is that he shrinks, and by herms definition it is probably on about his size. We don't know if Buu's ki continued to increase during the transition between his Buff form and his original form. We only know that it increases between Super Buu and Buff Buu. There is no evidence to support that Kid Buu gained or loss ki when reverting to his original self. I however take what Kibito Kaioshin said with a grain of salt. My theory is that all absorptions have a weakening effect on him if the person has a good nature. But it also depends on the ki amount in question, for instance:

Dai Kaioshin
Purity: 100%
Purity effect on absorption: 100
Powerlevel: 50
Buu gets from absorption: -50

Dai Kaioshin
Purity: 100%
Purity effect on absorption: 100
Powerlevel: 105
Buu gets from absorption: 5

Gohan
Purity: 100%
Purity effect on absorption: 100
Powerlevel: 300
Buu gets from absorption: 200

If you take into consideration what Kibito Kaioshin says then he could generally be on about all absorptions, and its true that his heart did change even with absorbing people like Piccolo, Gohan and Gotenks.

So thats one instance of general Kaioshin negativity in relation to Majin Buu. Another example is something Dabura says
Dabura: " "Seems they're trying to hide from us...In total...there are 7. We can't use Kaioshin and Kibito's energy...But 3 of them seem to have marvelous energy..."
Notice how Dabura says we CAN'T use Kibito or Kaioshins energy. What makes there Ki so special it wouldnt do them any good? It would appear that this is another example of Kaioshin negativity.

Considering my hypothesis and what Kaioshin stated himself(That being he was the weakest of the Kaioshins) his purity would outweigh the effectiveness of his ki during this scene and would just serve as a negative catalyst, and so would Kibito's.

Kaioshin
Purity: 100%
Purity effect on absorption: 100
Powerlevel: 25
Buu gets from absorption: -75

Kibito
Purity: 100%
Purity effect on absorption: 100
Powerlevel: 15
Buu gets from absorption: -85

Another example woulre the preferred fusion method of the gods and all Kaioshins where them. Now some people will bring up that just fusion doesnt work unless in a pod. Well Gotenks still diffused while in that pod didd be Vegetto. When Vegetto was inside Buu's body he diffused. Why? Again from where I stand it looks like Buu had a negative reaction to the Potara earrings. Potara earrings are explicitly related to the Kai's. They ant he? Gotenk's face was exposed to that atmosphere wasnt it? Goku suggested it was possible to do the fusion dance in Buu's body didnt he? Why yes all of the above is true. This seems like another negative reaction to me.

This is also pretty much baseless. Yes Goku did suggest the fusion dance but he doesn't say where they would, or should, do it. And as for the Vegito fusion breaking down I, among most people, just put this down to Buu's body breaking down anything that would be a threat to it.

That being said after Good Buu was removed from Super Buu's body he slowly started to regress back to his original form. Something interesting here is that Goku said Buu's energy was increasing. Buff Buu is supposedly the Buu that had absorbed Southern Kaioshin according to the anime. If that is indeed the case and Kid Buu is stronger than Southern Kaioshin Buu that would mean Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

This isn't really evidence of anything either. As you mentioned when he transformed into the Buff Boo his ki did increase. But nothing was said about his ki increasing where he reverted from it to Kid Buu. It could either be that his ki continued to increase or it just leveled out/went down. As I said earlier, according to Herms, they only mention his size. So this is pretty vague.

However we arent done yet. If you notice SSJ3 Goku was fairing very well against Kid Buu and Kid Buu even looked like he was trying in the beginning. He even tried turning Goku into chocolate. Well that would be contradictory except there is something that is being skipped over here. Do any of you remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? When he did he had that look of like Oh yeah I feel sooooooooooooo much better. He even looked less restrained a good deal more evil. My theory here is that Good Buu restrained his power when he fought Goku. Now the reason this didnt bring him to Fat Buu's power level was because he was not directly connected to Buu. Either that or Kid Buu was equal to Fat Buu at the time and SSJ3 Goku is around Fat Buu's level but I personally believe that Goku was holding back when he fought Fat Buu. Now after the Good Buu was removed he fought back making it seem like Kid Buu's power hadnt changed at all however if you notice Kid Buu gives no signs of trying and is even enjoying himself. It would appear he is holding back and Good Buu even says something along of the lines of "No way... I dont think I can win...". This explains why Goku did so well at first.

This may be possible but you're forgetting something. Super Buu was directly connected to Fat Buu through absorbing him. So why did his ki not drop back to the level of Fat Buu's? And why would Kid Buu fighting Fat Buu with no signs of trying be anything but exactly that? Its already been established that SSJ3 Goku is on par with Kid Buu, infact at full power and fresh Goku has stated he could beat Kid Buu. SSJ3 Goku was also showing no real signs of trying against Fat Buu. As he said when he was fighting Kid Buu he'd need to build up his ki to defeat Kid Buu but it would appear he hadn't built up his ki against Fat Buu and wasn't going all out either. Considering Kid Buu is seeming to be getting the best of the scuffles due to the fact that he regenerates without taxing his ki supply so he can always fight at his best. Whereas Goku is under the constant drain of the SSJ3 form.

The Genki Dama also seems to be a factor in why Kid Buu is superior. The Genki Dama is formed from energy from the Z-fighters, Earthlings, Namekians, Kaioshins, and People at the Check-in-Station. Note that Gohan is one of the Z-Fighters whom gave some of his Genki. Now I am aware that the Genki Dama is formed by Genki but Genki is just a category of Ki. It would appear that Genki is also the majority of usable Ki for techniques. I say this because when Dende asked Kibito Kaioshin to use instant transmission he said he was out of energy and couldnt do it. It would definitely appear that Genki is a lot of Ki. Now I am also aware that after being revived you arent 100% as stated in the Guide Books and even by Goku himself. That being said that doesnt mean they are heavily drained. Gohan could very well be at 2/3 of his power and that would still be a ton of Genki. So the Genki Dama is too a factor in deciding who is more powerful. Now there are my 2 cents let me know what you guys think.

If Gohan wasn't heavily drained then his ki would still be a heavy percentage of the Genki Dama. That being said Goku indicates quite clearly that it isn't enough and from his words alone it reads as though they are still quite the ways off from it being completed. Having said that Goku has said he could take Kid Buu and probably beat him at 100% so we know that Goku >= Kid Buu. We also know that in the same situation that was presented inside Super Buu Goku stops Vegeta immediately when Vegeta goes to make an exit explicitly saying that the two of them are no match for Super Buu. If you need further evidence Goku brings up the fusion and how it can deal Fat Buu, even if its the kids. He was pretty confident that even with them using it they would be able to beat Fat Buu. However, when Fat Buu turns into Super Buu later and it requires SSJ3 Gotenks to fight on par with him. And as we know SSJ3 is a modifier of 400x so Super Buu is at least 8 times stronger than Fat Buu. And even then Super Buu makes the point that he was only stalling for their fusion to wear off and waited so that they could rejoin because he only feared Gohan. So, lets look at this:

1. Goku requires at least SSJ3 to fight Fat Buu.

2. Gotenks requires at least SSJ to match Fat Buu or even defeat him, but we don't know if its possible for him to defeat Majin Buu in SSJ. We'll just have to assume he could because Goku has faith that the fusion should beat him. At least we can say Gotenks would put up a fight. But its hard to believe they would put so much faith in him if he couldn't do the job.

3. This tells us that Base Gotenks >>>> Base Goku.

4. This also means that SSJ3 Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku.

5. Super Buu indicates Gohan as being his only real threat.

6.This tells us that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks but probably not by much as they seemed to be fighting on par. But then again Super Buu was stalling because he made up the plan of absorbing Gotenks fresh to beat Gohan who was his only real threat. We'll just say for the time being that the difference between Gotenks and Super Buu is marginal with Buu coming out on top.

Given this information we can assume that that the powerlevels must go something like this:

Gohan >> Super Buu >= SSJ3 Gotenks(Post-ROSAT) >>> SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu >> SSJ Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) >= Fat Buu

[dbzfan7]

I'm sure Buff Boo is stronger then Kid Boo. When Super Boo reformed into Buff he got stronger, then he lost South Kaioshin and became Kid Boo and got weaker.

Goku always believed he could beat Kid Boo. He never even second guessed Super Boo. Fighting him head on was already considered suicide and the wrong thing to do. Why would Goku suggest to fuse with Vegeta against Super Boo, but not Kid Boo. He still believed if he went full strength and didn't show off, he would have killed Kid Boo. He never for one second said they had even a slight chance against Super Boo without fusion. But Goku always believed he had a chance to kill Kid Boo without fusion. If he went all out he may have just done that.

I also factor in Gotenks who is miles beyond Goku as an SSJ3. SSJ Gotenks is already was already extremely close to SSJ3 Goku and probably surpassed him post rosat. Piccolo never had any douhgt that SSJ Gotenks could beat Fat Boo. Super Boo is equal to Gotenks who is miles beyond Goku. Goku put up a fight against Kid Boo and I don't see any reason for him to hold back on Goku if he didn't for Fat Boo or Vegeta. He did for Mr. Satan, but that is where Fat Boo held him back. Fat Boo was never shown restraining Kid Boo until he attacked Mr. Satan. Kid Boo had no worries on his face because he can come back fresh from anything. That's why it looks like he is holding back.

If Kid Boo is stronger then Super Boo, why would Goku think he could beat Kid Boo after he said fighting Super Boo was suicide.

[hleV]

• Dai Kaioshin's influence on Boo
  Dai Kaioshin is exceptional. This is crystal clear to everyone.
  
  Kaioshin & Kibito's energy unavailable to revive Boo
  Well, that kind of energy (not power) doesn't help Boo.
  Reason: Not really important. Perhaps Kaioshins' energy is just too different from everyone else's in the galaxy.
  
  Potara Fusion terminating inside Boo
  Magic vs magic.

Simple enough?
Now, go on and try this simply explain the things that are in Evil Boo > Pure Boo theory's favor.

[Kaboom]

What if... what if the Grand Kaioshin's power WAS added to Majin Boo, but his kindness canceled out all the evil power that Boo already had, leaving only the Grand Kaioshin's power in the form of Fat Boo?

... Ow, I gave myself a headache.

[Hitiro]

What if... what if the Grand Kaioshin's power WAS added to Majin Boo, but his kindness canceled out all the evil power that Boo already had, leaving only the Grand Kaioshin's power in the form of Fat Boo?

... Ow, I gave myself a headache.

This is another plausible theory, I just put it into simple terms when I posted my comment about purity being a subtraction from their current power so in essence if their purity overrides their ki amount it has a negative effect on Buu. XD

[hleV]

What if... what if the Grand Kaioshin's power WAS added to Majin Boo, but his kindness canceled out all the evil power that Boo already had, leaving only the Grand Kaioshin's power in the form of Fat Boo?

... Ow, I gave myself a headache.

Boo didn't absorb Dai Kaioshin...
Dai Kaioshin absorbed Boo!

[Fox666]

Kaioshin influence has shown to be generally negative to Buu throughout the Buu arc. Nothing special has to be said about South kaioshin.

No, that is just a theory. And no matter how interesting a theory is, you can't really take it serious as an argument.

For example, Zarbon has colored skin, pointy ears and his earrings look like Potara, so that means he must be a Kaioshin!! Interesting, but does that makes it true? No.

The series is clear that Dai Kaioshin is the only one that decreased Boo's power, and it should be safe to assume that South Kaioshin was just like anyone else. On top of that, Goku and Vegeta are confident after Boo returned to his original form.

[Mystic Gohan]

No it wasnt =/. I'm well aware that the Buff Buu was not Kid Buu. I actually suggest you read my post a little more carefully.

It hurts my eyes to read giant walls of texts. Not to be a grammar nazi or anything, but it would be appreciated if you could space your post into paragraphs. I read the first part about Kaioshin's not being able to give the Buu's power and I knew you were going to bring up Buff Buu being > Super Buu, but since Kaioshin's don't give power to Buu, it had to be all of Kid Buu's power. It's quite a common argument from Kid Buu supporters such as yourself, no offense intended.

Ill edit to everyone's liking then, it'l just take a while. Buff Buu was stated to have been stronger than Super Buu. Since Kaioshins reduce Buu's power that would mean the Buff Majin Buu is weaker than Kid Buu and thus its Kid Buu > Buff Buu > Super Buu.[/quote]
Yes I understand the argument. Anyway, Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the ONLY Kaioshin to affect Buu abnormally. What does that tell you about South Kaioshin?

Furthermore, Buff Buu is the one that is stated to be stronger than Super Buu. When Kid Buu forms, Goku states that they will be able to manage something against him. Not to mention Goku fights on par with Kid Buu. Because Super Buu is >>> SSjin 3 Goku, by your reasoning, Kid Buu would also be >>> SSjin 3 Goku. However, that contradicts the fight between Kid Buu and Goku.

Before you bring up that Kid Buu was simply holding back, let me address that point now. Kid Buu demolished Good Buu and SSjin 2 Vegeta without any mercy. Why would he hold back against SSjin 3 Goku for no reason?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yes I understand the argument. Anyway, Dai Kaioshin is stated to be the ONLY Kaioshin to affect Buu abnormally. What does that tell you about South Kaioshin?

No... no it is not stated that Daikaio is the only one that weakened Buu. If you are going to suggest something provide proof.

Furthermore, Buff Buu is the one that is stated to be stronger than Super Buu. When Kid Buu forms, Goku states that they will be able to manage something against him. Not to mention Goku fights on par with Kid Buu. Because Super Buu is >>> SSjin 3 Goku, by your reasoning, Kid Buu would also be >>> SSjin 3 Goku. However, that contradicts the fight between Kid Buu and Goku.

Before you bring up that Kid Buu was simply holding back, let me address that point now. Kid Buu demolished Good Buu and SSjin 2 Vegeta without any mercy. Why would he hold back against SSjin 3 Goku for no reason?

No... no it is not stated that Daikaio is the only one that weakened Buu. If you are going to suggest something provide proof. Again read my comment. I went into to detail about the whole Goku vs Kid Buu thing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kaioshin influence has shown to be generally negative to Buu throughout the Buu arc. Nothing special has to be said about South kaioshin.

No, that is just a theory. And no matter how interesting a theory is, you can't really take it serious as an argument.

For example, Zarbon has colored skin, pointy ears and his earrings look like Potara, so that means he must be a Kaioshin!! Interesting, but does that makes it true? No.

The series is clear that Dai Kaioshin is the only one that decreased Boo's power, and it should be safe to assume that South Kaioshin was just like anyone else. On top of that, Goku and Vegeta are confident after Boo returned to his original form.

Theory yes but plausible also. Really? The Zarbon thing holds no relevance and is an outlandish claim =/. Its not the same at all. Southern Kaioshin raising Buu's power is also a theory since its not provable. Hell deciding this whole Kid Buu vs Super Buu is full of theories. No... no its not. In case you didnt read your own proof. Kibito Kai never says that just Daikaio. He just says absorption which can mean absorption generally. The only thing you have to go off of here is the guide books only mentioning Daikaio however it does not claim Southern Kaioshin strengthened or weakened him. Now based on the few times that Kaioshin influence is generally viewd as negative to Buu it would see that South Kai weakened him. You see the thing is no one has been able to reason the Dabura statement. If you can reason that logically Ill see it from both sides however this whole subject is just confusing. Honestly as soon as the Fusion Saga ends the series just gets out of control.