Summer Vacation Special

[UpFromTheSkies]

Can you explain why do you think so? I don't see any connection between illegal distribution of the unreleased material and doing something to get another home video release.

It shows the rights holder that there is a demand for it, so much so that fans are willing to produce the material themselves and then share it online, it also shows them whether or not the material is well received among fans, which gives the rights holders confidence to invest money in a release. I see it happen with fansubs, and with music. Record companies are beginning to release material that's shared in bootleg circles, they're even purchasing fan made recordings, remastering them, and turning them into official releases.

If company knows that something does not exist in public domain, they automatically have arguments to think that there will be a big demand for it. There are thousands of people who will not pay for something they already have.

It doesn't give them any argument that there is a big demand for it, they see any new release as a huge financial risk. And if having material available for free on the internet deterred companies from investing in releases, then NOTHING would ever get released, because every company knows that the second they release anything it's going to end up online for free, and in most cases, it will go online weeks before their official release date.

[dbboxkaifan]

It shows the rights holder that there is a demand for it, so much so that fans are willing to produce the material themselves and then share it online, it also shows them whether or not the material is well received among fans, which gives the rights holders confidence to invest money in a release. I see it happen with fansubs, and with music. Record companies are beginning to release material that's shared in bootleg circles, they're even purchasing fan made recordings, remastering them, and turning them into official releases.

Exactly and also game developers (or console hackers) who did it purely as a hobby got a job at one of the Big Three (not always the case though but look at Geohot he went from a PS3 hacker to employed at Sony and now at Google), so when they see people are hooked up or it benefits them they will invest on it.

Some of these Kanzenshuu Dragon Ball fans just don't see it.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Excluding the rest which also puts that rare content at risk.

How does it become "at risk"? If I back up my digital files five times, everything should be fine.

[dbboxkaifan]

Excluding the rest which also puts that rare content at risk.

How does it become "at risk"? If I back up my digital files five times, everything should be fine.

If they were on cards, hard disks or discs. Digital/hosted is a different case.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

What you're suggesting is for people to send them emails and you have to acknowledge that not many can be bothered to do it, so for their own best of interest they'll just keep on releasing stuff to have the fans satisfied.

I'm suggesting that people should take things into their own hands. We cannot demand fruits of the work we didn't do.

Illegal distribution comes in when the company itself does nothing about it and so that's what fans have to resource to.

How does it explain my question?

Excluding the rest which also puts that rare content at risk.

People who have original broadcast audio were the ones who got it, they are the ones who can destroy it. We have nothing to say here.

You obviously did not read ShinGaijin's comment.

I didn't I'm only saying that sending emails always makes sense.

There's nothing wrong being hopeful but if it isn't then it's fine as I have Dragon Boxes Z 1-7, Level BDs (eps 035-039 digitally) and the Kai BDs.

You can always do more than writing posts.

By the way, PlanetaDeAgostini from Portugal acquired the Portuguese dub audio files of Anne of Green Gables which were long lost through a blog that provided them and then they decided to make an official home release using it so saying that putting it out on the internet impedes from getting a release is bs. If you guys think it's good to keep it hidden then have it your way. It makes no difference to me, as I'm happy with what I have.

I don't see any connection with our situation.

It shows the rights holder that there is a demand for it, so much so that fans are willing to produce the material themselves and then share it online, it also shows them whether or not the material is well received among fans, which gives the rights holders confidence to invest money in a release. I see it happen with fansubs, and with music. Record companies are beginning to release material that's shared in bootleg circles, they're even purchasing fan made recordings, remastering them, and turning them into official releases.

The fact that one person (not “fans”) managed to get better quality audio is not any useful information for a business company. FUNimation would never track the original broadcast audio all over the internet to check how it is received among fans. Don't forget that we are talking about “better quality Japanese audio track” here. You cannot compare it directly to, let's say, unreleased live recordings or demos of some well known band.

It doesn't give them any argument that there is a big demand for it, they see any new release as a huge financial risk. And if having material available for free on the internet deterred companies from investing in releases, then NOTHING would ever get released, because every company knows that the second they release anything it's going to end up online for free, and in most cases, it will go online weeks before their official release date.

What gave them an argument that there will be a demand for <place any release you want here>Dragon Ball Z in 1080p, brighter and crisper, cropped to 16:9 with digitally remastered audio? There was no such a thing on the internet when they released it.

If they are doing such a thing like minor equalisation that gives almost no improvement, market it as “digitally remastered” and they believe that it will encourage people to buy their product, what is the problem in making REAL improvement and a proper marketing campaign? For a business company, the first thing that determines estimates of the future sales is how advertising campaign was handled. When compared to Dragon Box, there is almost no improvement on the Season sets, but still - they decided to spend some money on remastering process, while not having any info about how it will affect sales.

I believe that, in this particular situation, the fact that this material is unavailable is a strong argument for a company to release it officially. We are the ones who should care for our own business and tell them what we think about it. I'm strongly against people who are just sitting on their fat asses and blaming others for not giving them what they want.

(Please excuse my lazy English )

[dycaite]

That is definitely my rip and I gave it to a limited number of people who asked me for the special on PM on the promise of not giving it to anyone else, but now it's somehow openly available. Sigh.

It was not for the sake of my possessive feeling. I borrowed the recording from an old Japanese fan and I digitized it for him, so I didn't want it to be openly available this way without his permission.

Man, oh man, is this a touchy situation...

OK, so, I'm the founder of the Lost Media Wiki and the person that downloaded and mirrored the special on YouTube. For the record, at the time of uploading, I was not aware of the recording's origins at all; as I mentioned in the YouTube description, I simply found a download link for it on dbnao.net (a Polish Dragon Ball fansite), via a user named RMX777 (who has now removed the links from his original post; whether he has any affiliation with any of you guys is beyond me and he didn't specify as to where he originally got it).

The first thing I want to make clear is that I take an openly adverse stance against file-sharing exclusivity. Fair enough if you are given a file by someone and asked not to share it WHATSOEVER, but if you then start giving it out to people here and there and expecting it not to spread, then I find that a little ridiculous. Not to mention that if the material is floating around out there, then I believe it should be readily available for all to enjoy; that is very much a core principle of the Wiki.

Secondly, I received a YouTube message, presumably from Kei (having now read the entire contents of this thread), asking me to remove the video. For a while now, I've made it clear on my website that anyone with an “exclusively” shared file could send it to me anonymously, at which point I would mirror it for them. Removing the video would go entirely against that precedent and the Wiki's values in general. What would removing the video even accomplish? Over a thousand people have seen it now, a significant number of them have likely downloaded it through the MEGA.co.nz link that RMX777 originally provided. I'm sorry dude, but, this thing is already out there. Taking it off YouTube would accomplish nothing and I suspect it would be quickly replaced with a mirror by someone else, anyway.

So, I must respectfully decline your request to remove the video. I am very thankful to you and your source for archiving it in the first place and I respect your desire to not have it leaked (even though I don't agree with it), but, at this point in time, it's simply too late to get it “off” the internet.