All of GT's oversights/inconsistencies/plotholes

[RandomGuy96]

The rest of the manga? Gohan didn't fight for the rest of the manga nor did he have a reason to turn SSJ.

Doesn't change the fact that Ultimate explicitly replaced Super Saiyan. The one time he tried to go Super Saiyan he went ultimate instead. How is this not clear enough...?

[TheGmGoken]

The rest of the manga? Gohan didn't fight for the rest of the manga nor did he have a reason to turn SSJ.

Doesn't change the fact that Ultimate explicitly replaced Super Saiyan. The one time he tried to go Super Saiyan he went ultimate instead. How is this not clear enough...?

Because you know...my last comment JUST said "Whoops. They did forgot. Go figure".

Guess they did forget. Go figure.

[DBZ Mick]

These are not plot holes.

They seem to fit the plot hole definition.

A plot hole, or plothole, a play on the word "pothole," is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot sometimes even contradicting itself. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

So Pilaf knowing about the Black Star Dragon Balls and Kami's backstory of him being a Namekian, creating a #17 in Hell and the different backstory for Planet Plant seems to fit the bill.

By that logic you might as well lump in a lot of Dragon Ball. Like how did Dr. Gero create the Artificial Humans, how did he get #17 and #18 etc.

[Hitiro]

By that logic you might as well lump in a lot of Dragon Ball. Like how did Dr. Gero create the Artificial Humans, how did he get #17 and #18 etc.

What? That makes no sense... There are some inconsistencies in Dragon Ball but over the whole story I'm sure the quality of the story equates to being better than the 64(?) episodes of GT which are littered with plotholes. The thing you said about Dr. Gero creating the Artificial humans and how he got #17 and #18 are NOT plot holes. A plot hole is a problem with the story that doesn't add up due to the current logic we know about the story. Trunks saying he can sense the difference between Super #17 and #18 is a plot hole because we know the Androids have no ki. Not in the conventional sense anyway. And as such they can't be sensed by the Z-fighters. So how would he be able to sense their difference? Hence, it is a plot hole. Goku struggling pushing a building until he goes SSJ4 is another. The average weight of a 4 bedroom detached house weighs about 125 tonnes. SSJ Goku pre-Boo arc could easily fly about with 40 tonnes. In GT Goku is supposed to be near Boo arc SSJ3 Goku. So Goku would not need SSJ4 to push a building which is a couple of stories at most we're looking at SSJ or SSJ2. The knowledge Pilaf gained was illogical in GT because nobody apart from possibly Piccolo and Kaio knew of the black star dragon balls. So unless Pilaf gained all of Kaio's knowledge he would not know about the existence of the black star dragon balls.

[KentalSSJ6]

Gero likely just kidnapped them off the street. I dont remember if it was before or after he built 19 and had 19 turn himself into a Android as well but if so I could certainly see him having the strength to kidnap two normal human teens. I mean the guy stabbed a hole through Yamcha.

[RandomGuy96]

SS4 Goku getting cut by glass, when kid Goku at the very beginning of the series could have axes broken over his head without being harmed.

Pilaf being alive.

Dende needing a first aid kit (99.99% sure that's a dub line, but it's still funny).

Super 17 tanking Super Uub but then getting punched to the other side of the planet by SS Goku.

Android 19 being in hell.

Hell 17.

Gero retconning his whole Cell plan, saying that 17 was REALLY meant to be the strongest creation. Especially stupid when you remember that 17 was specifically built as a catalyst to CELL's power in the manga.

Cell and Freeza being immortal.

Who the fuck gave Dr. Gero the materials and facilities to make another android? In Hell!?

Piccolo surviving SS2 Gohan's Kamehameha.

Piccolo randomly becoming stronger than Majin Buu (he'd have to be to take control of Hell when Rildo is explicitly down there).

Vegeta being too weak to break a wall. May or may not be an actual plothole, but it's still a weird scene whatever way you look at it.

[goku the krump dancer]

Can someone tell me about the time When SSJ4 Goku was cut by glass.. I can't remember for the life of me.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember it was the scene where San Xing Long (Eis Shenron) pick up a glass bottle and use it hurt Goku eyes.

[dbzfan7]

Kibitoshin being a little bitch. He couldn't just knock out Dende and Popo.

[goku the krump dancer]

I remember it was the scene where San Xing Long (Eis Shenron) pick up a glass bottle and use it hurt Goku eyes.

No that was when the Dragon used some crazy ice move to blind Goku.. The only time I remember Goku being knocked through glass was when he fought the 5 Star Dragon... He smacked Goku into a buiding window, when he reemerged from all the debris he was now in his SSJ4 form unscathed.

The only time he got scratches was when he went up against the 7 Star Dragon and the ladder was actually getting scratched by the Dragon's claws.. Sooo I'm lost on this whole he got cut by glass thing.

Also Goku punching 17 across the planet was a taunt on the android's part, because right after that Goku tried to repeat the same punch but Super 17 blocked it and proceeded to dominate the entire fight from that point forward. No plot hole there.

[Rocketman]

At a certain point, it matters less what the motivations are, and more what we actually see.

And what we see is everybody getting fucked up no matter what they do, Vegeta claiming to be the protector of Earth and getting knocked down to look up at Goku's taint, then Goku punches the enemy across the planet.

[Hellspawn28]

Pilaf being alive.

Well #17 was brought back to life and he was more evil then Pilaf. #17 almost killed Piccolo during their first match and he was made to kill Goku. I think only the very evil people like Tao, Babidi, and Dabra never got brought back to life.

[Nazi Cola]

Super No.17 did say he was basically toying with Goku after that punch, though.

[DBZ Mick]

What? That makes no sense... There are some inconsistencies in Dragon Ball but over the whole story I'm sure the quality of the story equates to being better than the 64(?) episodes of GT which are littered with plotholes. The thing you said about Dr. Gero creating the Artificial humans and how he got #17 and #18 are NOT plot holes. A plot hole is a problem with the story that doesn't add up due to the current logic we know about the story. Trunks saying he can sense the difference between Super #17 and #18 is a plot hole because we know the Androids have no ki. Not in the conventional sense anyway. And as such they can't be sensed by the Z-fighters. So how would he be able to sense their difference? Hence, it is a plot hole. Goku struggling pushing a building until he goes SSJ4 is another. The average weight of a 4 bedroom detached house weighs about 125 tonnes. SSJ Goku pre-Boo arc could easily fly about with 40 tonnes. In GT Goku is supposed to be near Boo arc SSJ3 Goku. So Goku would not need SSJ4 to push a building which is a couple of stories at most we're looking at SSJ or SSJ2. The knowledge Pilaf gained was illogical in GT because nobody apart from possibly Piccolo and Kaio knew of the black star dragon balls. So unless Pilaf gained all of Kaio's knowledge he would not know about the existence of the black star dragon balls.

Sorry, I wrote that in a rush before work without thinking it through properly.

I'm not arguing that Dragonball/Z's inconsistences affect the story quality, they are minor, GT does have some larger issues but I think most of them are more logic/power issues than pure plotholes.. I'm mainly going against some of Hellspawn's points which one can easily go back to DB/DBZ and call these kinds of issues 'plotholes' as well. Things like how Pilaf and the RRA found out about the Dragonballs, why didn't Popo use his magic carpet to take Goku directly to Nappa and Vegeta, why didn't Goku just finish off Vegeta at SSJ3 straight away could be called 'plotholes' if we wanted to.

Where does Trunk say he can sense the difference between Super #17 and #18, it almost sounds like a dub thing. I see Goku's strength with the building to be more a strength thing rather than a plothole. Base Goku's strength is all over the place in GT. I personally see no more problem with Pilaf knowing about the Ultimate Dragonballs. He found out about the regular Dragonballs so he obviously does some research.

SS4 Goku getting cut by glass, when kid Goku at the very beginning of the series could have axes broken over his head without being harmed.

He never got cut by glass. He got cut by one of the Three Star Dragon's attacks.

Pilaf being alive.

BoG has him alive as well and Toriyama helped with it so according to Toriyama he's alive.

Dende needing a first aid kit (99.99% sure that's a dub line, but it's still funny).

Dub line.

Super 17 tanking Super Uub but then getting punched to the other side of the planet by SS Goku.

Somebody explained this. Super #17 was just toying with Goku apparently.

Android 19 being in hell.

Yes.

Hell 17.

See the answer I give to how Gero and Mu built him below.

Gero retconning his whole Cell plan, saying that 17 was REALLY meant to be the strongest creation. Especially stupid when you remember that 17 was specifically built as a catalyst to CELL's power in the manga.

Bad retcon not plothole.

Cell and Freeza being immortal.

Yes.

Who the fuck gave Dr. Gero the materials and facilities to make another android? In Hell!?

Yeah, this is a little picky but perhaps it was through Dr. Mu's help.

Piccolo surviving SS2 Gohan's Kamehameha.

Do we know if he was SSJ2? Goten also survived it, I really see no problem than this.

Piccolo randomly becoming stronger than Majin Buu (he'd have to be to take control of Hell when Rildo is explicitly down there).

We don't really know what Piccolo did down in Hell. I don't think Rild would have a problem with him

Vegeta being too weak to break a wall. May or may not be an actual plothole, but it's still a weird scene whatever way you look at it.

Not what I'd call a plothole. He's probably not going all out at it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super 17 tanking Super Uub but then getting punched to the other side of the planet by SS Goku.

Oob was suppressed at that point (he powered-up to Super when the Saiyans turned Super Saiyan), and Super #17 was toying with Goku.

[DBZAOTA482]

Kibitoshin being a little bitch. He couldn't just knock out Dende and Popo.

He's part Kaioshin. What would you expect?

[Hitiro]

Where does Trunk say he can sense the difference between Super #17 and #18, it almost sounds like a dub thing.

It has been forever since I've watched GT. Somebody else mentioned it on this topic somewhere so I included it.

I see Goku's strength with the building to be more a strength thing rather than a plothole. Base Goku's strength is all over the place in GT.

Well that is an inconsistency with the story and therefore a plot hole.

I personally see no more problem with Pilaf knowing about the Ultimate Dragonballs. He found out about the regular Dragonballs so he obviously does some research.

I don't think you understand. The original dragon balls were a common legend on Earth. That is why Pilaf and the RRA knew of them. But the "ultimate" dragon balls nobody knew about. The original Namekian created them for himself and they were never used because they would destroy the planet so he put them away in the lookout. You can't tell me that anybody on Earth would know about those dragon balls when they weren't even used once and were never taken off the lookout. How would anybody know they were dragon balls without calling the dragon? And if they called the dragon the Earth would be gone? I'm sorry but it is plain illogical that Pilaf would know about those dragon balls if they were never used or moved from the lookout.

[Kamiccolo9]

All this makes me wonder... what would happen if the BS Dragon Balls were used in space? No planet for them to blow up then

[KentalSSJ6]

Ehh..maybe? I wouldent really know what would happen. It may just blow up the planet they were created on or destroy the nearest planet.

[Shineman]

We get 5 DBGT topics every week . I'm not a huge fan of GT but some things people complain about is ridiculous

Yeah, it's amusing to see GT threads every so often, most being in the negative aspects.

Because it was stated that Birsu > Vegetto and Whis > Birsu. Baby can't be above Vegetto(Super Bebi that is) because SSJ4 is perhaps weaker than Vegetto(Guidebook statement which was made around Shenlong arc I think)

I'm very aware of the little tidbit regarding around Vegetto and Ssj4; and that Goku was the only Ssj4 at the time. In my opinion, I chose to disregard that and considered High Tier Characters such as Bebi and Ssj4 Goku to be above Vegetto.