DBZ Abridged > Kai

[TheGmGoken]

Haha I'm glad all of your opinions are "facts." Especially you Abed. To each his own. I'll enjoy my action cartoon in English and my action anime in Japanese, y'all can enjoy whatever Kai is, not hate on my end, I just find Kai boring.

Abed the vibraslap: watch anything with a transformation by a villain and the scenes where Dr. Gero is fleeing, etc. just to name a few...I thought you were a fan of Kai? You should know these things.

Ok I found 4 things wrong with this responds. They are bolded.

First Bold:
Many people just stated their opinions. No one said they were fact. You don't have to write IMO on every thing you comment on. For example:

Honestly it dissapointed the shit of of me. Everyone at school talking about Goku turned to a beast and that the scene was epic. I wasn't impressed.

Just my take on it.

None of those quotes state these are facts. Just shows my opinion on the matter. Also Kai having accurate dialog(Besides original SSJ scene and perhaps other scenes) is a fact

Second Bold:
That makes no sense. Anime and Cartoons are perhaps the same thing. Hell KAI is an Anime if we want to be fair(Anime being Japan and Cartoon being other places) to your logic.

Third Bold:
Whatever Kai is? It's the same thing as Z. An Anime. Or an Anime remaster-recut to be more accurate.

Fourth Bold:
You're coming off as a jerk. Honestly what's a vibraslap? I watch Kai everyday. Never heard that ever. So please explain instead of just assuming everyone knows what it is. Or claim that "We should know this". What if we found out something about Funi Z that you didn't know? Shall we say you're a Funi Z fan. You should know this?

[ABED]

I don't know what vibraslap is, it doesn't bother me at all, much less enough to care, and I am a fan of the show but that doesn't mean I know every frame inside and out and can recall everything on command.

I'm not a fan of Kai, I'm a fan of DB. Kai isn't something else, it's simply DBZ.

I'll enjoy my action cartoon in English and my action anime in Japanese, y'all can enjoy whatever Kai is...

What does this even mean?

Should I end every opinion with "in my opinion?" That seems like a waste of time for something that's implied.

[Kakarot88]

I never claimed anything to be fact other than Say-yan is an incorrect pronunciation, which is a fact.

Didn't mean to lump you in lol, oversight on my part (tip of that hat to you sir, as you do always clarify what your opinion and reasoning is. Although we might no see eye to eye you never speak to me (or anyone that I have seen) with a manner of virulence, and are rather cordial. So thank you.

But Goku sounded so phony and fake there that I change the channel to either Disney or Nick once Goku transformed

yeah, you acted like you were speaking on facts, not opinion.

You're coming off as a jerk. Honestly what's a vibraslap? I watch Kai everyday. Never heard that ever. So please explain instead of just assuming everyone knows what it is. Or claim that "We should know this". What if we found out something about Funi Z that you didn't know? Shall we say you're a Funi Z fan. You should know this?

For someone who has a plethora of posts per day, you do not seem to remember threads you have been on. ABED and I already discussed this, so here you go:
Vibraslap: http://youtu.be/RJpT2Kn-jfc?t=6s
and a quick example of a song used way to frequently in Kai that uses it: http://youtu.be/GBzHL4geeEY?t=1m38s...Kikuchi score in Z > Kikuchi REPLACEMENT score in Kai
Yes, there are more examples, no I will not sit through Kai and find them, watching every episode thus far in the US of Kai (minimum twice) was enough for me (yes, I gave it two chances and some episodes even more, and some just to rip on with my friends).

When someone knows something that another does not that does not make that learned person a jerk, rather it should encourage the other person to seek to broaden their horizons and expand their knowledge; push their limits even further beyond. Ignorance only serves to exemplify ones own shortcomings and weaknesses. Red is to rotten as green is to grow.

Should I end every opinion with "in my opinion?" That seems like a waste of time for something that's implied.

Probably since you speak in absolutes...ahem:

You are wrong on all counts. The acting isn't stilted or phoned in at all...

just to name a few...

I don't know what vibraslap is, it doesn't bother me at all, much less enough to care, and I am a fan of the show but that doesn't mean I know every frame inside and out and can recall everything on command.

Wow! Do you even click my links? I have explained vibraslap to you at least twice now, and took the initiative to post a link of it in the show and again provided episode reference points, I thought your fandom covered the music better, guess I was wrong.
Here ya go as well:
Vibraslap: http://youtu.be/RJpT2Kn-jfc?t=6s
and a quick example of a song used way to frequently in Kai that uses it: http://youtu.be/GBzHL4geeEY?t=1m38s
...Kikuchi score in Z > Kikuchi REPLACEMENT score in Kai


Yes, there are more examples, no I will not sit through Kai and find them, watching every episode thus far in the US of Kai (minimum twice) was enough for me (yes, I gave it two chances and some episodes even more, and some just to rip on with my friends).

I'll enjoy my action cartoon in English and my action anime in Japanese, y'all can enjoy whatever Kai is...

What does this even mean?

It means Kai is neither good nor bad it is the destruction of the franchise jk (it was a reference to Gogeta from movie 12 just in case that was not clear to you).

Ok, so here goes, in my opinion:
DBZ in its Americanzied version is not a typical anime and more of an action Cartoon with anime visuals.
DBZ in its original version is clearly an anime.
DB(Z) Kai is, well you know my opinion but for clarification purposes, is not an action cartoon in the American sense like the Americanize run of Z bc the dialogue is unaltered for an american action cartoon experience, however, it is a far cry from its original anime counterpart.
Which leads to another question: how do you define anime: well, for me, anime is a motion picture adaptation of a manga (not all but as applied to dragon ball) which stylistically portrays an accurate version of a franchise's character.

In my opinion, Kai is a hollow mimic of the Japanese voice cast, but yet many seek to proclaim it as a better version of the Z run, it's not, it is a bad redo. At least the Z run had originality going for it. Sure it was all done at the behest of profit but it has a timeless quality to it that hokey action movies like Predator and the Rocky series encapsulate, replete with silly one liners. Kai is crap to me, that's my opinion.

[El Diabeetus]

I never claimed anything to be fact other than Say-yan is an incorrect pronunciation, which is a fact.

Didn't mean to lump you in lol, oversight on my part (tip of that hat to you sir, as you do always clarify what your opinion and reasoning is. Although we might no see eye to eye you never speak to me (or anyone that I have seen) with a manner of virulence, and are rather cordial. So thank you.

I got'cha! Haha, should've assumed. But, wasn't 100% sure.

Also no problem (kinda answered that backwards based on where the cordial, etc. response was, haha!), I think I picked that up just from talking with others in real life. I usually wait to see what the other person/party has to say, and only speak when I feel the need too. Even when I don't agree with something, I'll still respect the fact that everyone is allowed to think what they want and I see no reason to send malice toward anyone if there's no reason for it. I mean sure, I get passionate about my opinions and stick to them. But, I won't jump down people's throats on something, especially if it's something silly like a Japanese cartoon. I'm a believer in 'treat others how you want to be treated'. No matter how silly or serious somerhing is. But, it's easy to get passionate about something like the multiple versions of DB here, most if not all that joined Kanzenshuu wouldn't have joined if they weren't big into DB.

[ABED]

Wow, you posted it twice, because that's not condescending. I get the vibraslap now, and it doesn't bother me. Kikuchi "replacement" score is still better than Faulconer score.

Ok, so here goes, in my opinion:
DBZ in its Americanzied version is not a typical anime and more of an action Cartoon with anime visuals.
DBZ in its original version is clearly an anime.
DB(Z) Kai is, well you know my opinion but for clarification purposes, is not an action cartoon in the American sense like the Americanize run of Z bc the dialogue is unaltered for an american action cartoon experience, however, it is a far cry from its original anime counterpart.
Which leads to another question: how do you define anime: well, for me, anime is a motion picture adaptation of a manga (not all but as applied to dragon ball) which stylistically portrays an accurate version of a franchise's character.

In my opinion, Kai is a hollow mimic of the Japanese voice cast, but yet many seek to proclaim it as a better version of the Z run, it's not, it is a bad redo. At least the Z run had originality going for it. Sure it was all done at the behest of profit but it has a timeless quality to it that hokey action movies like Predator and the Rocky series encapsulate, replete with silly one liners. Kai is crap to me, that's my opinion.

None of this was clarifying. It comes off as you looking for reasons to hate on it. You aren't being technical, you are using terms and mangling them to suit your purposes. DBZ and Kai are both anime. The dialog and the acting in Z's dub is so god awful that I'll take a "hollow" mimic of the JPN cast over that any day. Originality for the sake of it is meaningless. While we're talking about hollow mimics, guess what FUNi's in-house cast started as? Mimics! There's no timeless quality, the references and dialog were dated a lot of the time, and the recording quality was substandard in the beginning. It's low quality.

Rocky and Predator are hokey action flicks? First, bite your tongue. Second, I wasn't aware Rocky was an action flick. Third, out of all the one's you could've chosen, you chose Rocky and Predator?!

Constantly saying "in my opinion" doesn't come across as being nice, it's coming across as false modesty.

[dbboxkaifan]

Kikuchi "replacement" score is still better than Faulconer score.

I for one would take Kikuchi's score any day over Faulconer's but if done right the Faulconer score for Dragon Ball Kai could've been a spectacular soundtrack, do remember Kai was supposed to be a modernised refreshed Dragon Ball Z series (it wasn't with the recycled music).

Super Buu Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woHtuw_xtcc
Perfect Cell Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkeAQG6kQw
Goku SSJ Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lZAYLyuXyY
Goku SSJ3 Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2Ksz7rpck
Gohan SSJ Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqXZhbMAEas
Gohan SSJ2 Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C9Urck0h40

Dragon Ball Z Kai Music Revival user made demos of Kai with FP's score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efjKK0-_98o

Too bad neither Toei nor FUNimation decided to make use of it 'cause it would've been way better than the overly repetitive 5 BGMs per episode that's the Kikuchi replacement.

[ABED]

I'll still take Kai's replacement over Faulconer.

I don't know if anyone has actually taken the time to keep track of what music cues are used in each episode but I didn't notice if Kai used the same music over and over again any more than Z did.

[JEFFMAN219]

I'll still take Kai's replacement over Faulconer.

I don't know if anyone has actually taken the time to keep track of what music cues are used in each episode but I didn't notice if Kai used the same music over and over again any more than Z did.

Ya same here I have no problem with the replacement score and five tracks are not played over and over again people are just overacting.

[Flame Dragon]

This is really a stupid argument.

First, i've never seen anyone say that Kai is a hollow mimic of the Japanese version, the Kai dub still feels different compared to the Z Jap dub or Kai Jap Dub.
So unless Schemmel tried to sound like Nozawa (which would sound retarded), i have to call BS.
Second, even then IT IS supposed to mimic the japanese version, it is an adaptation of the source material to bring it to english audiances, not a reimagining.
Third, originality =/= good. If Goku lines in the Z dub would amount to "hurp durp i'm a monkey" would you still think the Z dub is still better because they would still be more original than the Jap vers? Yeah, throught so.

Not to mention that Z Dub Goku is not original at all. He's a mishmash of every generic goodie superhero ever made. Having mercy on Vegeta because he feels there's good in him and they can convert him by showing compassion? Great, Goku became a priest. Having an epic speech with Freeza just for the sake of saying "i'm the good guy and you're the villain"? As generic as it gets. The only thing missing is Goku being the chosen one and we have filled all the cliches in the book.

At least in the japanese version (or every other version other than Funi Z) Goku felt already like a hero (because he is, just not a flawless one) without shoving it in your face every second.

[ABED]

every generic goodie superhero ever made

I hope you don't count Superman in that. He's the original!

[dbboxkaifan]

I'll still take Kai's replacement over Faulconer.

I don't know if anyone has actually taken the time to keep track of what music cues are used in each episode but I didn't notice if Kai used the same music over and over again any more than Z did.

The top five most overused Kikuchi BGMs are in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYch_nDEa1k

It's pretty hard to not notice that it keeps playing the same BGMs constantly.

[TheGmGoken]

yeah, you acted like you were speaking on facts, not opinion.

Do I really have to write IMO every-time I speak? It's my opinion that Goku sounded phony The rest of the the post even support this. As I changed the channel as everyone at school thought it was epic. Hence MY OPINION.

For someone who has a plethora of posts per day, you do not seem to remember threads you have been on. ABED and I already discussed this, so here you go:

Wow. Cheap shot. Totally irrelevant. Don't really have anything to do with the topic cept attacking me.

and a quick example of a song used way to frequently in Kai that uses it: http://youtu.be/GBzHL4geeEY?t=1m38s...

DBZ's English Dub had frequently used tracks. Don't see the issue. Many Anime has BGM that are always used.

.Kikuchi score in Z > Kikuchi REPLACEMENT score in Kai

Of course. Don't see why this needed to be said.

When someone knows something that another does not that does not make that learned person a jerk,

Wait what? . Where did that come from? I referring to this post.

.I thought you were a fan of Kai? You should know these things.

That's the part where you came off like a jerk. There is also this post right here.

I thought your fandom covered the music better, guess I was wrong.

Aren't we all apart of the same fandom?

DBZ in its Americanzied version is not a typical anime and more of an action Cartoon with anime visuals.

You do realize. NO MATTER how inaccurate the dub is, it's still an Anime. NOTHING changes that. Just cause the dub changed some things doesn't make DBZ not an Anime. It makes it an Anime that became localize for it's viewers. That's not even an opinion. That's fact. Something just don't become NOT an anime.

DBZ in its original version is clearly an anime.

So is the original English dub. Now The Last Airbender is an Action Cartoon with Anime Visuals(Based on Naruto according to Avatar Extras).

how do you define anime: well, for me, anime is a motion picture adaptation of a manga (not all but as applied to dragon ball) which stylistically portrays an accurate version of a franchise's character.

You do know that some Anime doesn't even follow the manga to the degree of having only one of the same characters right? Hell sometimes the persona are even completely different. Does that mean it's not an Anime? No it's just an ANime with a poor adaptation similar to how English Z is an Anime dub with poor translations. There's no official definition of Anime. But it's kinda self applied. It's animation. Family Guy is an Anime. Gurren Lagann doesn't have a manga to follow as it's an original series anime(Manga came after the Anime). DOes it mean(By your definition) that TTGL isn't an anime?

[ABED]

I'll still take Kai's replacement over Faulconer.

I don't know if anyone has actually taken the time to keep track of what music cues are used in each episode but I didn't notice if Kai used the same music over and over again any more than Z did.

The top five most overused Kikuchi BGMs are in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYch_nDEa1k

It's pretty hard to not notice that it keeps playing the same BGMs constantly.

Clearly it can go unnoticed. In Z they played the same BGMs constantly and would occasional incorporate new cues which would be played over and over again. That's not a knock, but I don't know if they actually played the same ones more in Kai than Z. This is one of those issues that I think gets blown out of proportion. I'm sure there are a few cues that aren't well placed but people act like every single track is placed horribly and it's a travesty.

[Quebaz]

Clearly it can go unnoticed. In Z they played the same BGMs constantly and would occasional incorporate new cues which would be played over and over again. That's not a knock, but I don't know if they actually played the same ones more in Kai than Z.

In Z, they played whichever BGM they had avaliable from the movies, so after episode 11, Movie 1 BGM started playing on the TV-Series etc. Of course, this caused a lot of repetition during the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, in which it was only at the end of SSJ Goku vs Freeza that they had a lot of BGM to make things varied.

[ABED]

Clearly it can go unnoticed. In Z they played the same BGMs constantly and would occasional incorporate new cues which would be played over and over again. That's not a knock, but I don't know if they actually played the same ones more in Kai than Z.

In Z, they played whichever BGM they had avaliable from the movies, so after episode 11, Movie 1 BGM started playing on the TV-Series etc. Of course, this caused a lot of repetition during the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, in which it was only at the end of SSJ Goku vs Freeza that they had a lot of BGM to make things varied.

But not so varied that you didn't hear the same cues again and again. I really think people are making mountains out of molehills on this issue.

[dbboxkaifan]

But not so varied that you didn't hear the same cues again and again. I really think people are making mountains out of molehills on this issue.

The reason Kikuchi's music in Kai is extremely small and repetitive is because TOEI apparently only picked the stereo BGMs and the rest weren't used.

I personally can't stand Kai with the replacement score and will never watch it again with that soundtrack, unless for the final episodes which they actually gave it a proper music placement.

[WittyUsername]

It's amazing how off topic this thread has become.

[ABED]

The reason Kikuchi's music in Kai is extremely small and repetitive is because TOEI apparently only picked the stereo BGMs and the rest weren't used.

I personally can't stand Kai with the replacement score and will never watch it again with that soundtrack, unless for the final episodes which they actually gave it a proper music placement.

Again, Z was also repetitive. They played the same cues over and over again as well. Maybe a few more than Kai, but you can hear the same pieces in almost every episode.

The placement is fine. You guys make it sound like the music is god awful. Again, mountains out of molehills.

[Kakarot88]

It's amazing how off topic this thread has become.

Especially when at the outset I said:

Sure this can turn this into a "Hey, let's bash the original Funimation dub of Z," which unfortunately a lot of threads turn into, but I'd really like to facilitate a conversation where we can all discuss our appreciation for each series and their respective performances.

In my experience the more "enthusiastic Kai fans" find that the best way to show their appreciate of Kai is to bash the old Z. Se la vi.

[ABED]

In my experience the more "enthusiastic Kai fans" find that the best way to show their appreciate of Kai is to bash the old Z. Se la vi.

Hi Kettle, this is Pot, you're black.

Is there any good reason to put quotes around "enthusiastic Kai fans"?

In case I didn't say it, there's no way abridged it better than Kai. Even on its own, it's not very good.