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Post by Xeogran » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:44 pm

kei17 wrote:I forgot to mention an important thing. The Q&A also says that the tankobon of Jako is going to have a bonus manga in which Gine appears.
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kei17 wrote:I forgot to mention an important thing. The Q&A also says that the tankobon of Jako is going to have a special manga in which Gine appears.
So she's alive!? Wonder where she went.
We don't know if this is before Planet Vegeta is blown up, though.
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kei17 wrote:I forgot to mention an important thing. The Q&A also says that the tankobon of Jako is going to have a special manga in which Gine appears.
So she's alive!? Wonder where she went.
We don't know if this is before Planet Vegeta is blown up, though.
Yeah, I'm guessing prequel. Although... maybe it involves Gine joining the Galactic Patrol after she escapes? She's not much of a fighter, but neither are they. :P

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Post by Herms » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:53 pm

For what it's worth too, I've never really bought into the 'Selypa is Goku's mom' thing.
Yeah, it really never made any sense whatsoever. In the special, she's shown there with Bardock a gazillion miles away from the newborn Goku, asking Bardock "hey, didn't you have a son recently?" The idea that she's Goku's mother is completely at odds with this.

People must have just heard there was a female Saiyan in the special with Bardock, or seen pictures of her, and thought "wow, could she be Goku's mother?!" before they ever watched the special itself.
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Post by Chuquita » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:02 pm

She's in a bonus manga at the end? Very nice surprise. I feel like her interactions with Bardock could be very entertaining.
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Post by penguintruth » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:08 pm

FFS

Can't anything remain a mystery? What, is Goku's mother ALSO a time-travelling Super Saiyan who is really good inside?

Is Funimation writing Dragon Ball material for Japan now?

Hey, when are we going to get to all of Goku and Raditz's hereforeto unseen siblings Bardock had with women on other planets? Maybe some kind of Saiyan dog named Vego? The Saiyan monkey Bepporot? Goku's cousin Goka? Goku's one time mermaid girlfriend we never know about?

When is it enough?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:12 pm

penguintruth wrote:FFS

Can't anything remain a mystery? What, is Goku's mother ALSO a time-travelling Super Saiyan who is really good inside?

Is Funimation writing Dragon Ball material for Japan now?
Apparently every Saiyan is turning Good.
We had Good Saiyans in BoG.
Bardock turning Good...somewhat
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Post by Mystic Buu » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:16 pm

kei17 wrote:I forgot to mention an important thing. The Q&A also says that the tankobon of Jako is going to have a bonus manga in which Gine appears.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:18 pm

Yes, because one additional Saiyan from the past that is 'good' is totally the end of the world, and totally means FUNimation is mind-controlling Toriyama now. Right. :roll:

None of the added stuff has changed it to where all Saiyans were suddenly good. Seems to me all it's added, with Super Saiyan God's backstory anyway, is that there were goodhearted Saiyans...and they kinda got killed out for not fitting with the norm. That seems pretty believable to me, more so than a race that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is somehow of of a hivemind about being completely evil.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes, because one additional Saiyan from the past that is 'good' is totally the end of the world, and totally means FUNimation is mind-controlling Toriyama now. Right. :roll:

None of the added stuff has changed it to where all Saiyans were suddenly good. Seems to me all it's added, with Super Saiyan God's backstory anyway, is that there were goodhearted Saiyans...and they kinda got killed out for not fitting with the norm. That seems pretty believable to me, more so than a race that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is somehow of of a hivemind about being completely evil.
I would pay good money to have her meet her grandchildren. Can you imagine her fawning over Goten and Pan?

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes, because one additional Saiyan from the past that is 'good' is totally the end of the world, and totally means FUNimation is mind-controlling Toriyama now. Right. :roll:

None of the added stuff has changed it to where all Saiyans were suddenly good. Seems to me all it's added, with Super Saiyan God's backstory anyway, is that there were goodhearted Saiyans...and they kinda got killed out for not fitting with the norm. That seems pretty believable to me, more so than a race that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is somehow of of a hivemind about being completely evil.
You're missing the point.

This deifying of everyone related to Goku and the making of everybody a Super Saiyan. And the ridiculous practice of trying to over explain everything.

The franchise has lost all traces of mystique. In a few months we'll know Bulma's childhood babysitter's mother's cousin's favorite soap brand. I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS OR WHO GOKU'S MOTHER IS. EVER.

I don't need to know who was the first Super Saiyan. I don't need to know about Freeza's family. I don't need to know about Goku's mother. I never needed to know who the REAL Legendary Super Saiyan is. Frankly, I'm happy to know that there's a great big universe out there full of mysteries and NOT be spoonfed all the answers to the questions like some simpleton.
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Post by Tzigi » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:28 pm

penguintruth wrote: You're missing the point.
This deifying of everyone related to Goku and the making of everybody a Super Saiyan. And the ridiculous practice of trying to over explain everything.
The franchise has lost all traces of mystique.
That's what I love about such things. It may be the fact that I do research (like university, science etc) work in real life and so try to fill in all the gaps in human knowledge (I know it's impossible but it doesn't prevent me from trying) but I love such "overexplaining". For me the franchise is much better out withot those "traces of mystique" - if it was for me to decide, I'd hire Toriyama to present DB fans with detailed outline of every single day in the history of the world of DB.
Yeah, I'm the kind of person who loved the introduction of midi-chlorians into the Star Wars universe (also reading every strory in the EU there and loving every instance of overexplaining there - as anywhere else).

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:29 pm

penguintruth wrote:You're missing the point.

This deifying of everyone related to Goku and the making of everybody a Super Saiyan. And the ridiculous practice of trying to over explain everything.

The franchise has lost all traces of mystique. In a few months we'll know Bulma's childhood babysitter's mother's cousin's favorite soap brand. I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS OR WHO GOKU'S MOTHER IS. EVER.

I don't need to know who was the first Super Saiyan. I don't need to know about Freeza's family. I don't need to know about Goku's mother. I never needed to know who the REAL Legendary Super Saiyan is. Frankly, I'm happy to know that there's a great big universe out there full of mysteries and NOT be told all the answers to the questions.
I agree that there's an over deifying of Goku, but it still seems like you're blowing this way out of proportion. It's an extra chapter/pages thing. At the end of a gag manga that serves as a prequel, done years after the actual manga. It's so easy to ignore it exists if it bothers you that badly, I would think. That and, jumping from Goku's mom or 'original Super Saiyan' to something like Bulma's childhood babysitter's mother's cousin is a pretty big leap (though I get that's mostly for sarcastic effect to make your point). Whether it's something you personally want to see, there IS story potential for the first two; there wouldn't be for the latter.

And again, it's an extra thing being added to the end of a gag manga. It's not like they're suddenly shoehorning her into the main franchise. I can understand not wanting to know the answers to all of the questions, but there's tons of fans that do want the answers to a few of them, so clearly there's money to be made and possibly a story to tell.
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Post by penguintruth » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:30 pm

Tzigi wrote:
penguintruth wrote: You're missing the point.
This deifying of everyone related to Goku and the making of everybody a Super Saiyan. And the ridiculous practice of trying to over explain everything.
The franchise has lost all traces of mystique.
That's what I love about such things. It may be the fact that I do research (like university, science etc) work in real life and so try to fill in all the gaps in human knowledge (I know it's impossible but it doesn't prevent me from trying) but I love such "overexplaining". For me the franchise is much better out withot those "traces of mystique" - if it was for me to decide, I'd hire Toriyama to present DB fans with detailed outline of every single day in the history of the world of DB.
Yeah, I'm the kind of person who loved the introduction of midi-chlorians into the Star Wars universe (also reading every strory in the EU there and loving every instance of overexplaining there - as anywhere else).
Well, this ISN'T science. Science should relentlessly pursue all the answers.

Narratives, FICTION, not only shouldn't, but can't, because then it destroys the imaginative function of fiction. Fiction need only pursue the answers relevant to the narrative at hand.


And believe me, as soon as they introduce Goku's mother, even if it's in a gag manga, that's it. Toei will pick that up. Toei will use that and bleed it dry. Just look at Bardock. Bardock used to be a mass-murderer who utterly failed. Now? A time-travelling hero and the very first Super Saiyan. Goku's mother will be in all the new video games with the one new feature each time and slightly different costumes that they churn out every two minutes from awful companies. She'll be an action figure. She'll have a TV special or a short. You know it will happen. IT WILL HAPPEN.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I'm sick of this crap.
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Post by The Monkey King » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:33 pm

Kinda dissapointed, I wanted Goku's mother to be a fighting saiyan badass.

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:35 pm

While the Legendary Super Saiyan thing is understandable, I don't think Goku's Mother's Identity is all that big of a deal to where it had to be shrouded in mystery forever. I mean its not like she was brought up that much besides in Vegeta's death plea and even then all he said was "Kakarott, your parents were killed by Freeza".

Depending on the scenario we see her in, her debut in the DB Universe shouldn't really change anything.
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Post by Mystic Buu » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:37 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Tzigi wrote:
penguintruth wrote: You're missing the point.
This deifying of everyone related to Goku and the making of everybody a Super Saiyan. And the ridiculous practice of trying to over explain everything.
The franchise has lost all traces of mystique.
That's what I love about such things. It may be the fact that I do research (like university, science etc) work in real life and so try to fill in all the gaps in human knowledge (I know it's impossible but it doesn't prevent me from trying) but I love such "overexplaining". For me the franchise is much better out withot those "traces of mystique" - if it was for me to decide, I'd hire Toriyama to present DB fans with detailed outline of every single day in the history of the world of DB.
Yeah, I'm the kind of person who loved the introduction of midi-chlorians into the Star Wars universe (also reading every strory in the EU there and loving every instance of overexplaining there - as anywhere else).
Well, this ISN'T science. Science should relentlessly pursue all the answers.

Narratives, FICTION, not only shouldn't, but can't, because then it destroys the imaginative function of fiction. Fiction need only pursue the answers relevant to the narrative at hand.


And believe me, as soon as they introduce Goku's mother, even if it's in a gag manga, that's it. Toei will pick that up. Toei will use that and bleed it dry. Just look at Bardock. Bardock used to be a mass-murderer who utterly failed. Now? A time-travelling hero and the very first Super Saiyan. Goku's mother will be in all the new video games with the one new feature each time and slightly different costumes that they churn out every two minutes from awful companies. She'll be an action figure. She'll have a TV special or a short. You know it will happen. IT WILL HAPPEN.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I'm sick of this crap.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:41 pm

If it happens, it happens. Dragon Ball has never been above merchandising (though it has gotten worse, there's no denying that), so I still don't see what the big deal is. We'll get some cool stuff, we'll get some sucky stuff - so basically the same old story it's always been as far as I'm concerned.
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That's how I initially felt about Table, but in retrospect, it's how unexpected it is that makes me like it this way instead.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:44 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes, because one additional Saiyan from the past that is 'good' is totally the end of the world, and totally means FUNimation is mind-controlling Toriyama now. Right. :roll:

None of the added stuff has changed it to where all Saiyans were suddenly good. Seems to me all it's added, with Super Saiyan God's backstory anyway, is that there were goodhearted Saiyans...and they kinda got killed out for not fitting with the norm. That seems pretty believable to me, more so than a race that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is somehow of of a hivemind about being completely evil.
Not sure if was a responds to me. But I was being sarcastic. But ya know. Internet kinda doesn't show that. To me honesty. Good Saiyans have make good character development for the Saiyan race. But I agree that everyone related to Goku being a Good Saiyan is getting to much. Goku influence people to be good. Goku wasn't around when his mommy was "Good". I honestly wanted her to be similar to Raditz or even Turles. We already got to many "Good" saiyans running around. I can deal with Heroes. But everyone becoming a SSJ in the series(well...I know DB has non canon..but the point is that it happened) is kinda annoying. Hell I liked Bardock more(Coming from a person who liked EOB) when he was a failure.
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Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:46 pm

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penguintruth wrote:Well, this ISN'T science. Science should relentlessly pursue all the answers.

Narratives, FICTION, not only shouldn't, but can't, because then it destroys the imaginative function of fiction. Fiction need only pursue the answers relevant to the narrative at hand.


And believe me, as soon as they introduce Goku's mother, even if it's in a gag manga, that's it. Toei will pick that up. Toei will use that and bleed it dry. Just look at Bardock. Bardock used to be a mass-murderer who utterly failed. Now? A time-travelling hero and the very first Super Saiyan. Goku's mother will be in all the new video games with the one new feature each time and slightly different costumes that they churn out every two minutes from awful companies. She'll be an action figure. She'll have a TV special or a short. You know it will happen. IT WILL HAPPEN.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I'm sick of this crap.
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