Is Beerus' existence really necessary?

[Hitiro]

This came strictly from the F book translated by Herms. Maybe the movie says it differently. Which was your source?

It's the translation of chapter 2 of the Revival of F manga.

[dbzfan7]

This came strictly from the F book translated by Herms. Maybe the movie says it differently. Which was your source?

It's the translation of chapter 2 of the Revival of F manga.

I saw it...but I don't really trust those kind of translations. Fan subs like those aren't really known for being great, and like the others it has exaggerated profanity. I think I'd trust the F book translated by Herms more since it's the script Toriyama wrote. However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though. So this could be a flub from Herms or Toriyama. Eitherway I guess I'll wait to see the english movie since I only saw it in partly Japanese and mostly Portuguese.

[Hitiro]

I saw it...but I don't really trust those kind of translations. Fan subs like those aren't really known for being great, and like the others it has exaggerated profanity. I think I'd trust the F book translated by Herms more since it's the script Toriyama wrote. However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though. So this could be a flub from Herms or Toriyama. Eitherway I guess I'll wait to see the english movie since I only saw it in partly Japanese and mostly Portuguese.

And what about Whis knocking out Beerus when he is destroying the mini planets around their home? What benefit did Whis get from stopping him from doing that?

[dbgtFO]

However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though.

Ah so they corrected that?
That's good to hear. If only they could also acknowledge the fact, that Goku had only seen Freeza in his final form before [F].

[dbzfan7]

I saw it...but I don't really trust those kind of translations. Fan subs like those aren't really known for being great, and like the others it has exaggerated profanity. I think I'd trust the F book translated by Herms more since it's the script Toriyama wrote. However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though. So this could be a flub from Herms or Toriyama. Eitherway I guess I'll wait to see the english movie since I only saw it in partly Japanese and mostly Portuguese.

And what about Whis knocking out Beerus when he is destroying the mini planets around their home? What benefit did Whis get from stopping him from doing that?

Don't really know. Never see any life or anything on them. No idea what they might mean. They apparently may mean more to him than earth since earth only gets a pass because of food. He does bring them back in the next movie since they are visible.

[Hitiro]

Don't really know. Never see any life or anything on them. No idea what they might mean. They apparently may mean more to him than earth since earth only gets a pass because of food. He does bring them back in the next movie since they are visible.

It really makes no sense to save planets that have no benefit to him unless his job is to manage what Beerus destroys. Which would be his job as mentor/retainer.

[dbzfan7]

Don't really know. Never see any life or anything on them. No idea what they might mean. They apparently may mean more to him than earth since earth only gets a pass because of food. He does bring them back in the next movie since they are visible.

It really makes no sense to save planets that have no benefit to him unless his job is to manage what Beerus destroys. Which would be his job as mentor/retainer.

The dub seems to say the planets were innocent, so he knocked Beerus out to stop him. Guess his definition of innocent is pretty slim. Earth is pretty innocent too, and he doesn't really give a crap about it beyond food. Scene seemed to imply if the suishi is bad he'd let Beerus destroy earth. Guess he may somewhat manage the worlds, with a very shrewd perspective. Going by that like Beerus, it seems to me it all depends on the world. Beerus did just that with earth, so earth apparently isn't innocent.

Not sure what the Japanese version says. It's pretty interesting. What does Whis define as innocent. Those worlds around his are apparently innocent, but earth is not?

Maybe an empty planet is an innocent one, so that's why they were saved. Earth is innocent and yet not one care in the world Whis would feel if it's destroyed.

[Hitiro]

Don't really know. Never see any life or anything on them. No idea what they might mean. They apparently may mean more to him than earth since earth only gets a pass because of food. He does bring them back in the next movie since they are visible.

It really makes no sense to save planets that have no benefit to him unless his job is to manage what Beerus destroys. Which would be his job as mentor/retainer.

The dub seems to say the planets were innocent, so he knocked Beerus out to stop him. Guess his definition of innocent is pretty slim. Earth is pretty innocent too, and he doesn't really give a crap about it beyond food. Scene seemed to imply if the suishi is bad he'd let Beerus destroy earth. Guess he may somewhat manage the worlds, with a very shrewd perspective. Going by that like Beerus, it seems to me it all depends on the world. Beerus did just that with earth, so earth apparently isn't innocent.

Not sure what the Japanese version says. It's pretty interesting. What does Whis define as innocent. Those worlds around his are apparently innocent, but earth is not?

I would say those worlds are innocent because they lack any semblance of evil. But Earth usually has that in abundance. Look at the humans who have tried to conquer Earth. Look at the mercenaries that shot Bee and Mr. Satan. I would imagine planets like Namek would be safe from destruction. Whis had no quarrels with Beerus destroying the planet of those aliens that tried to poison Beerus.

[dbzfan7]

The dub seems to say the planets were innocent, so he knocked Beerus out to stop him. Guess his definition of innocent is pretty slim. Earth is pretty innocent too, and he doesn't really give a crap about it beyond food. Scene seemed to imply if the suishi is bad he'd let Beerus destroy earth. Guess he may somewhat manage the worlds, with a very shrewd perspective. Going by that like Beerus, it seems to me it all depends on the world. Beerus did just that with earth, so earth apparently isn't innocent.

Not sure what the Japanese version says. It's pretty interesting. What does Whis define as innocent. Those worlds around his are apparently innocent, but earth is not?

I would say those worlds are innocent because they lack any semblance of evil. But Earth usually has that in abundance. Look at the humans who have tried to conquer Earth. Look at the mercenaries that shot Bee and Mr. Satan. I would imagine planets like Namek would be safe from destruction. Whis had no quarrels with Beerus destroying the planet of those aliens that tried to poison Beerus.

They do not seem to know anything about earth beyond the people they met. Perhaps those small planets are either uninhabited or had just simple animals like Beerus' temple had. So they were innocent because of that. Though perhaps the few things at the party were enough to dictate the earth's fate. What with Boo, the gun, etc.

That still wouldn't stop Beerus from destroying since I doubt if there was balance, evil wouldn't be gone or there would be no worlds left to piss him off. Knowing Beerus he'd go to other worlds, and if they piss him off, he'd destroy them anyways. Would Whis stop him even though "Balance" once the quota is achieved. He basically destroys to counter the Kaioshin, but I ain't sure the Kaioshin can keep up with Beerus.

Though if God can make a moon in a short amount of time, maybe the Kaioshin can make worlds quickly. Life may be a different story though.

[Hitiro]

They do not seem to know anything about earth beyond the people they met. Perhaps those small planets are either uninhabited or had just simple animals like Beerus' temple had. So they were innocent because of that. Though perhaps the few things at the party were enough to dictate the earth's fate. What with Boo, the gun, etc.

That still wouldn't stop Beerus from destroying since I doubt if there was balance, evil wouldn't be gone or there would be no worlds left to piss him off. Knowing Beerus he'd go to other worlds, and if they piss him off, he'd destroy them anyways. Would Whis stop him even though "Balance" once the quota is achieved. He basically destroys to counter the Kaioshin, but I ain't sure the Kaioshin can keep up with Beerus.

Eventually the Kaioshin would intervene and offset the worlds that Beerus destroyed by creating new worlds.

I don't think the Kaioshin can't keep up with him because Whis can just put him to sleep for decades at a time.

[dbzfan7]

They do not seem to know anything about earth beyond the people they met. Perhaps those small planets are either uninhabited or had just simple animals like Beerus' temple had. So they were innocent because of that. Though perhaps the few things at the party were enough to dictate the earth's fate. What with Boo, the gun, etc.

That still wouldn't stop Beerus from destroying since I doubt if there was balance, evil wouldn't be gone or there would be no worlds left to piss him off. Knowing Beerus he'd go to other worlds, and if they piss him off, he'd destroy them anyways. Would Whis stop him even though "Balance" once the quota is achieved. He basically destroys to counter the Kaioshin, but I ain't sure the Kaioshin can keep up with Beerus.

Eventually the Kaioshin would intervene and offset the worlds that Beerus destroyed by creating new worlds.

I don't think the Kaioshin can't keep up with him because Whis can just put him to sleep for decades at a time.

Not sure what Beerus' track record is either, nor how many planets he destroy's per year, decade, etc. If it's like one a decade or so than yeah it shouldn't be that hard. God made a moon in a short time, so they could maybe handle a planet or two. Life I wouldn't be sure about. Not sure either if Elder Kaioshin and Kaioshin have been making worlds at all since, or if they can. I assume Kaioshin might have, but I am unaware if he has done anything since all the Kaioshin were wiped out.

Balance also seemed to have 5 Kaioshin (or 3 switching in an out, forget what the retcon was), and for some time we've had only a single Kaioshin. So that couldn't have been helpful either.

Apparently Beerus also sealed away Elder Kaioshin, so for a guy who's supposed to preserve balance, I think sealing away a Kaioshin is not what you're supposed to do. Though he was replaced anyways, so I guess it was no big deal.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that Beerus is perfect for this job, because he is like a natural disaster. It doesn't matter if the planet is good or bad, you'll get destroyed if you are unlucky.

[Hitiro]

Not sure what Beerus' track record is either, nor how many planets he destroy's per year, decade, etc. If it's like one a decade or so than yeah it shouldn't be that hard. God made a moon in a short time, so they could maybe handle a planet or two. Life I wouldn't be sure about. Not sure either if Elder Kaioshin and Kaioshin have been making worlds at all since, or if they can. I assume Kaioshin might have, but I am unaware if he has done anything since all the Kaioshin were wiped out.

Balance also seemed to have 5 Kaioshin (or 3 switching in an out, forget what the retcon was), and for some time we've had only a single Kaioshin. So that couldn't have been helpful either.

Apparently Beerus also sealed away Elder Kaioshin, so for a guy who's supposed to preserve balance, I think sealing away a Kaioshin is not what you're supposed to do. Though he was replaced anyways, so I guess it was no big deal.

I believe the Kaio can also make planets too? There are 80 Kaio's according to the information on them. So I don't think it is an issue of there being only one Kaioshin.

[Herms]

However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though. So this could be a flub from Herms or Toriyama.

That was indeed something that was changed between Toriyama's original script and the finished film. Here's a previous post outlining the whole thing:

Right, so for the record, here's the increasingly infamous "Freeza remembers Bulma" line from Toriyama's script, as recorded in Volume F:

おや、あなた見覚えがありますよ、たしかナメック星でチラっとお会いしてますね…お友達の孫悟空さんはどこでしょうか？
Freeza: "Oh, I remember you, we met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we?...Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

And in contrast, here's the corrected "Freeza just assumes Bulma must have been on Namek" line from the finished film, according to AjayLikesGaming's friend:

"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"

Edit: And now that I think of it, the "Jaco draws crummy picture of Freeza" gag isn't in Toriyama's script either, and was most likely added for the final film to explain how Bulma recognizes Freeza on sight. In the script it's just assumed that Bulma already knows what Freeza looks like.

This whole thing is pretty minor either way, but in the main series Bulma makes a point of saying how she never got a chance to see Freeza the whole time she was on Namek. It's the whole reason she flies out to see Mecha Freeza when he comes to Earth. So that makes it stand out more than most of the other small inconsistencies in the film, which may be why it ended up getting fixed like this.

[dbgtFO]

Spoiler:

However even there it seemed there was a flub or two, such as the script saying Freeza recognized Bulma. That wasn't said in the movie though. So this could be a flub from Herms or Toriyama.

That was indeed something that was changed between Toriyama's original script and the finished film. Here's a previous post outlining the whole thing:

Right, so for the record, here's the increasingly infamous "Freeza remembers Bulma" line from Toriyama's script, as recorded in Volume F:

おや、あなた見覚えがありますよ、たしかナメック星でチラっとお会いしてますね…お友達の孫悟空さんはどこでしょうか？
Freeza: "Oh, I remember you, we met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we?...Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

And in contrast, here's the corrected "Freeza just assumes Bulma must have been on Namek" line from the finished film, according to AjayLikesGaming's friend:

"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"

Edit: And now that I think of it, the "Jaco draws crummy picture of Freeza" gag isn't in Toriyama's script either, and was most likely added for the final film to explain how Bulma recognizes Freeza on sight. In the script it's just assumed that Bulma already knows what Freeza looks like.

This whole thing is pretty minor either way, but in the main series Bulma makes a point of saying how she never got a chance to see Freeza the whole time she was on Namek. It's the whole reason she flies out to see Mecha Freeza when he comes to Earth. So that makes it stand out more than most of the other small inconsistencies in the film, which may be why it ended up getting fixed like this.

Nice to see, that they care enough to correct these inconsistencies and don't just follow the script word by word.

[fadeddreams5]

I think that Beerus is perfect for this job, because he is like a natural disaster. It doesn't matter if the planet is good or bad, you'll get destroyed if you are unlucky.

Kid Buu would be natural disaster. Beerus can be bribed if the planet isn't scheduled to be destroyed but he wants to destroy it anyways.

[Xeogran]

Kid Buu did a better job at being a God of Destruction by actually not giving a crap about the planet he wants to explode. Beerus is too soft for that title.

[Lord Beerus]

I think that Beerus is perfect for this job, because he is like a natural disaster. It doesn't matter if the planet is good or bad, you'll get destroyed if you are unlucky.

You summed it up perfectly, DBZGTKOSDH. Beerus really is like a natural disaster. Who happens to have a large appetite.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that Beerus is perfect for this job, because he is like a natural disaster. It doesn't matter if the planet is good or bad, you'll get destroyed if you are unlucky.

Kid Buu would be natural disaster. Beerus can be bribed if the planet isn't scheduled to be destroyed but he wants to destroy it anyways.

Boo is an uncontrollable monster though. Beerus won't go and destroy the whole universe.

[fadeddreams5]

I think that Beerus is perfect for this job, because he is like a natural disaster. It doesn't matter if the planet is good or bad, you'll get destroyed if you are unlucky.

Kid Buu would be natural disaster. Beerus can be bribed if the planet isn't scheduled to be destroyed but he wants to destroy it anyways.

Boo is an uncontrollable monster though. Beerus won't go and destroy the whole universe.

That's sort of what I think of when I read "natural disaster" though. A tornado won't stop cause you feed it pudding. xD