Is u7 overpowered

[Fizzer]

What's happening here actually goes against the central theme of the whole of Dragon Ball, in a way. "The world is always much bigger than you imagined. There's always someone stronger out there." The world grows and grows, always dwarfing what came before, and we see you've never made it to the top, you're just the biggest fish in the biggest pond you've found so far, but it's still always a small pond compared to what comes next.

I kind of liked the idea at first, watching the gods react to Goku at the Zen Exhibition match, or turning that on it's head, and Goku having reached the end point of his ascension as a mortal above all mortals that frightens the gods. Now we're just seeing that most of the strongest fighters from other universes can't keep with our main cast from Earth at all.

I feel this is another result of just having the arena be too small and throwing 80 fighters in at once, rather than having a group-match elimination/brackets style tournament or more Hunger Games/Battle Royale deal with a huge arena. The way it's been done means that nearly everyone has to be fodder.

[larzooma]

What's happening here actually goes against the central theme of the whole of Dragon Ball, in a way. "The world is always much bigger than you imagined. There's always someone stronger out there." The world grows and grows, always dwarfing what came before, and we see you've never made it to the top, you're just the biggest fish in the biggest pond you've found so far, but it's still always a small pond compared to what comes next.

I kind of liked the idea at first, watching the gods react to Goku at the Zen Exhibition match, or turning that on it's head, and Goku having reached the end point of his ascension as a mortal above all mortals that frightens the gods. Now we're just seeing that most of the strongest fighters from other universes can't keep with our main cast from Earth at all.

I feel this is another result of just having the arena be too small and throwing 80 fighters in at once, rather than having a group-match elimination/brackets style tournament or more Hunger Games/Battle Royale deal with a huge arena. The way it's been done means that nearly everyone has to be fodder.

They simply don't have the time to showcase enough characters from other universes to create a sense the median power level is similar to U7. We're familiar with the power of the characters from U7, and they spent a decent amount of time showcasing power gains during the recruitment episodes. Other than the top fighters with eventual roles in the tournament, they haven't had time to set up fights between newly seen fighters form other universes, nor would the general fan-base want to waste story time on unknown characters, when they're dying to see they're favorite character show the true limits of their power.

I think a smaller tournament with a smaller number of participants per universe may avoid the feeling U7 is overpowered, but a bigger tournament allowed for the inclusion of fan favorite characters fighting for good of the universe. This tournament will go a long way in shifting DBS from the Goku and Vegeta show to larger cast of powerful characters able to compete against future villians. Creating the vibe the U7 team consists of a larger number of powerful fighters is part of expanding the team going forward.

[HybridSaiyan]

No.
Even U7 at the Cell Saga stage could take out everyone, It's just these new characters are SUPER weak besides Jiren, Toppa and Hit.

[Lapislettuce]

All we can say for sure about 17 is he's powerful enough to force Goku to transform into SSJB. At best Goku was at low to mid level SSJB during their spar. From the events of 88, Piccolo far outclassed a SSJ2 Gohan. He also spent hours training with him at his Ultimate Level without the need to use his sensu bean prior ot the 2v2s with Goku and TIen. From what we've directly seen and a little head cannon based on his training with Gohan, I'd place him somewhere around SSJ3 Goku level, which isn't far behind low level SSJB in terms of pure power given how strong Goku's become in his base form. As of late, Goku's initial power increase between SSJ2 and SSJB doesn't seem to provide him with the clear and considerable difference one might expect. I agree 17 is probably the 5th strongest and Piccolo is the 6th. If we're lucky enough to see two concrete examples of 17 and Piccolo's power in the tournament, I think people will be surprised by how small the gap is between them. Only time will tell.

Gohan on the other hand is leagues above 17. By the end of the spar, his power increased to a level rivaling Goku at full level SSJB. When he powers up and declares he's now at his full power, he meets Goku blow for blow before being outclassed by Kiao Ken (which outclasses all U7 fighters). Unless 17 is hiding a large amount of power, it's hard to believe he's at the same level. A possible new level of power, either by achieving a new transformation or reaching a new plateau, has been alluded to for Gohan. Given what we've seen, Gohan's entering the tournament with a considerable gap between himself and 17 based on what we've seen, and I think it's only going to grow when Gohan starts to fight for real.

See i think you're wrong 17 being able to push Goku to ssb already means he's ssb tier, he's up there, he fought on par with ssb Goku and both were holding back, we don't know how much either were holding back but i would say it was pretty close considering 17 looked uninterested and bored compared to Goku.
Gohan was already full power against ssj2 Goku and he had trouble against him, he kept asking his dad to fight serious so Goku went ssb with 17 he HAD TO, with Gohan he was ASKED TO, Gohan did fight ssb but 2 seconds is too short to determine he stands above 17 who fought ssb longer and was holding back not to mention Gohan forced him self so much he ended up fainting.

Gohan starts the fight by powering up to his full level, and even tells Goku he's at his current max. Gohan isn't like Goku. He wouldn't present a power level as his max as a ploy to test his opponent or hold back as a tactic. Despite starting at what he believes to be his full power, he powers up beyond on two occasions, even going as far as telling Goku as he flew towards him at fully powered SSJB that he's now at his full power and he's going to show his father his ability. His fight against Goku is as much apart of his training as his time with Piccolo. His desire to impress his father with his new found power drives him to achieve new levels. By the end of the fight, Gohan's able to go blow for blow with Goku at his max power minus KK. Goku easily outclasses him when he goes KK. Goku would outclass everyone on the U7 team with Kiao Ken. At best, Vegeta and Golden Frieza are slightly above him in terms of power without factoring in a possible 10 or 20 fold increase. It's the reason Goku is always at a considerable level above the rest.

Again Gohan fought ssb for a very short time, he didn't go "blow by blow" he did throw 2 punches but that's like saying Vegeta is Beerus level because he managed to hit Beerus a couple of time, Gohan might become ssb level by the end of the tournament but i'm saying that 17 is already established as a ssb tier, also going back to the 17 and Piccolo thing they don't fall together in any categorie neither strength or hype wise, it's much better to compare 17 and Gohan since that's what most fans are doing right now.

[Mercenary]

See i think you're wrong 17 being able to push Goku to ssb already means he's ssb tier, he's up there, he fought on par with ssb Goku and both were holding back, we don't know how much either were holding back but i would say it was pretty close considering 17 looked uninterested and bored compared to Goku.
Gohan was already full power against ssj2 Goku and he had trouble against him, he kept asking his dad to fight serious so Goku went ssb with 17 he HAD TO, with Gohan he was ASKED TO, Gohan did fight ssb but 2 seconds is too short to determine he stands above 17 who fought ssb longer and was holding back not to mention Gohan forced him self so much he ended up fainting.

Gohan starts the fight by powering up to his full level, and even tells Goku he's at his current max. Gohan isn't like Goku. He wouldn't present a power level as his max as a ploy to test his opponent or hold back as a tactic. Despite starting at what he believes to be his full power, he powers up beyond on two occasions, even going as far as telling Goku as he flew towards him at fully powered SSJB that he's now at his full power and he's going to show his father his ability. His fight against Goku is as much apart of his training as his time with Piccolo. His desire to impress his father with his new found power drives him to achieve new levels. By the end of the fight, Gohan's able to go blow for blow with Goku at his max power minus KK. Goku easily outclasses him when he goes KK. Goku would outclass everyone on the U7 team with Kiao Ken. At best, Vegeta and Golden Frieza are slightly above him in terms of power without factoring in a possible 10 or 20 fold increase. It's the reason Goku is always at a considerable level above the rest.

Again Gohan fought ssb for a very short time, he didn't go "blow by blow" he did throw 2 punches but that's like saying Vegeta is Beerus level because he managed to hit Beerus a couple of time, Gohan might become ssb level by the end of the tournament but i'm saying that 17 is already established as a ssb tier, also going back to the 17 and Piccolo thing they don't fall together in any categorie neither strength or hype wise, it's much better to compare 17 and Gohan since that's what most fans are doing right now.

For me it goes like that :
Goku > Vegeta > Frieza > #17 > Gohan in terms of raw power.

[Lapislettuce]

Gohan starts the fight by powering up to his full level, and even tells Goku he's at his current max. Gohan isn't like Goku. He wouldn't present a power level as his max as a ploy to test his opponent or hold back as a tactic. Despite starting at what he believes to be his full power, he powers up beyond on two occasions, even going as far as telling Goku as he flew towards him at fully powered SSJB that he's now at his full power and he's going to show his father his ability. His fight against Goku is as much apart of his training as his time with Piccolo. His desire to impress his father with his new found power drives him to achieve new levels. By the end of the fight, Gohan's able to go blow for blow with Goku at his max power minus KK. Goku easily outclasses him when he goes KK. Goku would outclass everyone on the U7 team with Kiao Ken. At best, Vegeta and Golden Frieza are slightly above him in terms of power without factoring in a possible 10 or 20 fold increase. It's the reason Goku is always at a considerable level above the rest.

Again Gohan fought ssb for a very short time, he didn't go "blow by blow" he did throw 2 punches but that's like saying Vegeta is Beerus level because he managed to hit Beerus a couple of time, Gohan might become ssb level by the end of the tournament but i'm saying that 17 is already established as a ssb tier, also going back to the 17 and Piccolo thing they don't fall together in any categorie neither strength or hype wise, it's much better to compare 17 and Gohan since that's what most fans are doing right now.

For me it goes like that :
Goku > Vegeta > Frieza > #17 > Gohan in terms of raw power.

Yeah same !

[Mercenary]

Again Gohan fought ssb for a very short time, he didn't go "blow by blow" he did throw 2 punches but that's like saying Vegeta is Beerus level because he managed to hit Beerus a couple of time, Gohan might become ssb level by the end of the tournament but i'm saying that 17 is already established as a ssb tier, also going back to the 17 and Piccolo thing they don't fall together in any categorie neither strength or hype wise, it's much better to compare 17 and Gohan since that's what most fans are doing right now.

For me it goes like that :
Goku > Vegeta > Frieza > #17 > Gohan in terms of raw power.

Yeah same !

BTW. #17 was pretty badass in the last episode and I started to like him really much. I hope he won't be eliminated soon. Brianne should be bodied by him . She is really annoying.

[Lapislettuce]

For me it goes like that :
Goku > Vegeta > Frieza > #17 > Gohan in terms of raw power.

Yeah same !

BTW. #17 was pretty badass in the last episode and I started to like him really much. I hope he won't be eliminated soon. Brianne should be bodied by him . She is really annoying.

I'm so happy to hear that, thank you for your support. his fight will be interrupted but maybe they will save it for later.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think it's safe to say at this point that Universes 6, 7, and 11 are the only ones with a realistic chance of winning.

[Ki Breaker]

I think it's safe to say at this point that Universes 6, 7, and 11 are the only ones with a realistic chance of winning.

That seems like the most obvious answer.. Which leads me to believe they won't be winning..
If I had to guess, universe 4 would be one of the contenders for the win, they simply haven't revealed all their fighters yet, even to zeno..

[Mercenary]

I think it's safe to say at this point that Universes 6, 7, and 11 are the only ones with a realistic chance of winning.

That seems like the most obvious answer.. Which leads me to believe they won't be winning..
If I had to guess, universe 4 would be one of the contenders for the win, they simply haven't revealed all their fighters yet, even to zeno..

Actually, after U10 , U4 is probably the next one to be erased so I would doubt it.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think it's safe to say at this point that Universes 6, 7, and 11 are the only ones with a realistic chance of winning.

That seems like the most obvious answer.. Which leads me to believe they won't be winning..
If I had to guess, universe 4 would be one of the contenders for the win, they simply haven't revealed all their fighters yet, even to zeno..

Actually, after U10 , U4 is probably the next one to be erased so I would doubt it.

Possible. I could also see it being U2 depending how the fight with 17 goes next episode.

[Zagacious]

Quite a bit, because based on what we've seen so far Android 17 could probably take out 90% of the contestants on his own, to the point most of the U7 fighters aren't even needed. The fight with 17 was epic, but you know what would have made it more exciting?, if the people he was fighting actually had a chance at all. It's way too one sided where almost none of the match ups are even close to being a fair/good fight. We see some new cool moves, but they're all shown to be useless against the raw overpowered'ness of U7 and the U6 Saiyans.

It almost seems like they're purposely putting unfair matchups to make the 'fights' last as quickly as possible now that I think about it. Aside from the Trio De Dangers, every fighter has gone out with pretty much zero effort from someone from U7.

The beginning of the tournament felt pretty balanced in showing a good variance of characters, now it's like they're trying to rush and finish it as fast as possible..

[supersaiyan1993]

it appears so, I'm a bit dissapointed since i was ecpecting atleast one strong figheter from each universe.

[precita]

The realization that U7 is actually the most powerful of all these current universes so far but a select few standout fighters. Makes you wonder how strong the 4 universes held back are