The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Herms » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:26 pm

Fox666 wrote:I guess this is in Cantonese, anyone knows what it says about Vegetto and Super Saiyan 4?
說不定比超級賽亞人4還要強!
"Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

What book is that from?
Edit: Apparently it's the anime comics edition of the GT special.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by hleV » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:44 pm

So base Vegetto is perhaps stronger than SSJ4. Why "perhaps"?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:02 pm

What is the whole Vegetto saying? Is it referring just to base Vegetto, Super Vegetto, or Vegetto in general?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Herms » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:32 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What is the whole Vegetto saying? Is it referring just to base Vegetto, Super Vegetto, or Vegetto in general?
Well, here's the whole thing about Vegetto:
Merging With Vegeta!
After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!
So it seems to be talking about Vegetto in general.

(It's fun to practice my Chinese, though I'm learning Mandarin rather than Cantonese.)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:00 pm

So, Super Vegetto is stronger than a Super Saiyan 4 Goku & Vegeta. I wonder if SS4 Gogeta should be included as well...

Also, it seems that they don't go by the "base GT Goku => Z SS3 Goku" GT showed us. I like that. (It's unlikely that they go by the "GOKU X VEGETA = VEGETTO", since the SEG were released 12 years later.)

So, we recently learned some cool thing from the Animation Comics. I wonder what other surprises they hide... :think:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Super Vegetto is stronger than a Super Saiyan 4 Goku & Vegeta. I wonder if SS4 Gogeta should be included as well...
I'm not sure how you got "IS" from "PERHAPS"...
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:29 pm

It's a guidebook. It's just a way of saying that he is stronger than a Super Saiyan 4. It's like when the Perfect Files said that the Super Saiyan multiplier being x50 was a theory, while it was a fact in the Daizenshuu & SEG.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:30 pm

No, it's not. Perhaps simply doesn't mean "is". And if Super Saiyan 4 is anything like the other forms, it's not a set level either.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by hleV » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:01 pm

If Vegetto wasn't stronger than SSJ4, then what's the point in implying such a possibility? Really, what's the point?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:04 pm

hleV wrote:If Vegetto wasn't stronger than SSJ4, then what's the point in implying such a possibility? Really, what's the point?
Because guides are full of weird tibdits like that that don't necessarily mean anything?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by hleV » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:16 pm

Saiga wrote:guides are full of weird tibdits like that that don't necessarily mean anything?
Please, elaborate. I'd like an example or two of when a guide (or whatever) implies a possibility of something which indeed can't be true.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:19 pm

hleV wrote:
Saiga wrote:guides are full of weird tibdits like that that don't necessarily mean anything?
Please, elaborate. I'd like an example or two of when a guide (or whatever) implies a possibility of something which indeed can't be true.
I never said it can't be true. Just that speculation isn't automatically fact. It's like the Perfect Files' speculation on their being a Planet Saiya that is never mentioned anywhere else.
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Post by hleV » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:27 pm

Saiga wrote: Just that speculation isn't automatically fact. It's like the Perfect Files' speculation on their being a Planet Saiya that is never mentioned anywhere else.
Same question again. Why would they imply a possibility of anything if it served no purpose whatsoever?

The way I see it, it is vague only because it's irrelevant to the story (Vegetto doesn't appear in GT and SSJ4 doesn't appear in DB; Planet Saiya never appears anywhere). Basically, they don't state facts because the series don't involve these matters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

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hleV wrote:
Saiga wrote: Just that speculation isn't automatically fact. It's like the Perfect Files' speculation on their being a Planet Saiya that is never mentioned anywhere else.
Same question again. Why would they imply a possibility of anything if it served no purpose whatsoever?

The way I see it, it is vague only because it's irrelevant to the story (Vegetto doesn't appear in GT and SSJ4 doesn't appear in DB; Planet Saiya never appears anywhere). Basically, they don't state facts because the series don't involve these matters.
That doesn't really make sense. There's no need to be vague if they're irrelevant to the story, since stating it as fact won't impact the story.

Implying a possibility doesn't mean it has to serve a purpose. It's just a tidbit.
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Post by Bussani » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:34 pm

hleV wrote:Same question again. Why would they imply a possibility of anything if it served no purpose whatsoever?
Because it's an interesting idea? Maybe it's an idea that they weren't sure how committed they should be to it, or weren't committed enough to call it a fact outright, but still thought it was a neat enough thought to put down somewhere?
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Post by hleV » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:31 pm

Bussani wrote:
hleV wrote:Same question again. Why would they imply a possibility of anything if it served no purpose whatsoever?
Because it's an interesting idea? Maybe it's an idea that they weren't sure how committed they should be to it, or weren't committed enough to call it a fact outright, but still thought it was a neat enough thought to put down somewhere?
Do you honestly imagine them saying that Vegetto is perhaps stronger than a SSJ4, while actually he isn't? Maybe you do, I don't know. I myself simply can't. That would be really weird.

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