Toei tends to portray base and Super Saiyan as extremely close, so that fact that base Goku made Broly bleed doesn't mean that he'd be 50x stronger than him in the same form. I'd just disregard that basically.
Since Broly's evolution goes Super Saiyan, Legendary Super Saiyan, 3 then 4 I think his Legendary Super Saiyan form is just his own, unique variant of Super Saiyan 2.
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Saiga wrote:Toei tends to portray base and Super Saiyan as extremely close, so that fact that base Goku made Broly bleed doesn't mean that he'd be 50x stronger than him in the same form. I'd just disregard that basically.
Since Broly's evolution goes Super Saiyan, Legendary Super Saiyan, 3 then 4 I think his Legendary Super Saiyan form is just his own, unique variant of Super Saiyan 2.
Actually he's gotten ssj2 in games, I think it's it's own form. It has it's own powers like ssjjgod. But what would be the multiplier then? because he goes from bleeding from surpressed base goku's kick to tanking a fully charged Kamehameha to the face.
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Since Broly subject was brought back, could anyone share your thoughts about:
Noah wrote:What numbers would you guys give to:
Base Broly (M8 and M10)
SSGSS Supressed Super Saiyan Broly (M8)
Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 10)
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Human Battle Power in real-life (following scouter numbers)
Dragon Ball
Bulma: 2
Average human: 2.5-5
Goku (BoDB): 15
Yamcha (BoDB): 14
Krillin (BoDB): 12
Chi-Chi (BoDB): 10
Ranfan: 6
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 8
Pamput: 40 (highest a human can naturally reach)
Real-life
Bruce Lee: 10
Chuck Norris: 7 (prime), 6 (old)
Bob Sapp: 7
Brock Lesner: 9
Cain Velasquez: 8
Shinya Aoki: 6.5
Billy Mays: 5
(give me suggestions)
I'll do one without the official numbers later.
Dragon Ball
Bulma: 2
Average human: 2.5-5
Goku (BoDB): 15
Yamcha (BoDB): 14
Krillin (BoDB): 12
Chi-Chi (BoDB): 10
Ranfan: 6
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 8
Pamput: 40 (highest a human can naturally reach)
Real-life
Bruce Lee: 10
Chuck Norris: 7 (prime), 6 (old)
Bob Sapp: 7
Brock Lesner: 9
Cain Velasquez: 8
Shinya Aoki: 6.5
Billy Mays: 5
(give me suggestions)
I'll do one without the official numbers later.
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fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Bruce LeeDBZAOTA482 wrote:Human Battle Power in real-life (following scouter numbers)
Dragon Ball
Bulma: 2
Average human: 2.5-5
Goku (BoDB): 15
Yamcha (BoDB): 14
Krillin (BoDB): 12
Chi-Chi (BoDB): 10
Ranfan: 6
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 8
Pamput: 40 (highest a human can naturally reach)
Real-life
N/A (give me suggestions)
I'll do one without the official numbers later.
Chuck Norris (prime and old age)
Bob Sapp
Brock Lesner
Cain Velasquez
Shinya Aoki
Billy Mays
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I never saw the movies, dude. Excuse me.Noah wrote:Since Broly subject was brought back, could anyone share your thoughts about:
Noah wrote:What numbers would you guys give to:
Base Broly (M8 and M10)
SSGSS Supressed Super Saiyan Broly (M8)
Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 10)
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So by that do you mean that a real-life human in our world can reach 40?DBZAOTA482 wrote:Human Battle Power in real-life (following scouter numbers)
Dragon Ball
Bulma: 2
Average human: 2.5-5
Goku (BoDB): 15
Yamcha (BoDB): 14
Krillin (BoDB): 12
Chi-Chi (BoDB): 10
Ranfan: 6
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 8
Pamput: 40 (highest a human can naturally reach)
If so, shouldn't Goku, Yamcha and Chi-Chi at least be higher? I don't think real people can survive bullets and axes to the head, hit people so hard they smash through rock formations, survive getting hit so hard they smash through rock formations (or the panel border one time XD), or throw boomerangs with enough force to decapitate a dinosaur...
Sorry if I'm just interpreting you wrong and you actually meant "how high a human in Dragon Ball can reach without ki, while still being what would be considered crazy superhuman in our world".
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How powerful is these characters in Garlic Jr. Saga ( filler ) ?
Kuririn
Son Gohan
Piccolo
Vegeta
I have
Kuririn 215,000
Son Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 3,240,000
Vegeta 4,740,000
Kuririn
Son Gohan
Piccolo
Vegeta
I have
Kuririn 215,000
Son Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 3,240,000
Vegeta 4,740,000
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Kuririn: 90,000
Gohan: 400,000
Piccolo: 2,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000
Gohan: 400,000
Piccolo: 2,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000
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If Raditz never came to Earth, Dr. Gero had been killed during the RRA Saga, Babidi didn't bother with gathering energy on Earth due to a lack of high powers and Beerus, of course, never received the SSG vision due to everyone being too weak, how strong would Gokuu and the others be by EoZ (when he fought Uub)?
Presumably, they had their own little conflicts, still, but they would be against Piccolo/Garlic Jr.-level demons and the like. Probably gradually escalating in power, but only at about the rate of the original Dragon Ball.
Presumably, they had their own little conflicts, still, but they would be against Piccolo/Garlic Jr.-level demons and the like. Probably gradually escalating in power, but only at about the rate of the original Dragon Ball.
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I'd be surprised if Goku ever cracked 1,000. He was already pushing passed the limits of his maximum potential by that point, training from the gods was what he required in order to shatter that barrier and keep rising. Under normal circumstances and without special training, Goku couldn't have gotten much more powerful.Blackstripe wrote:If Raditz never came to Earth, Dr. Gero had been killed during the RRA Saga, Babidi didn't bother with gathering energy on Earth due to a lack of high powers and Beerus, of course, never received the SSG vision due to everyone being too weak, how strong would Gokuu and the others be by EoZ (when he fought Uub)?
Presumably, they had their own little conflicts, still, but they would be against Piccolo/Garlic Jr.-level demons and the like. Probably gradually escalating in power, but only at about the rate of the original Dragon Ball.
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Well, then you're assuming Zenkai wouldn't exist, but we can say that Zenkai only works when a Saiyan reach a certain BP... So Goku couldn't get Zenkais with 500~1000 BP, IMOnickzambuto wrote:I'd be surprised if Goku ever cracked 1,000. He was already pushing passed the limits of his maximum potential by that point, training from the gods was what he required in order to shatter that barrier and keep rising. Under normal circumstances and without special training, Goku couldn't have gotten much more powerful.
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Perhaps Piccolo considers his full power the highest ki he can gather(ie. a big ki blast), so by using Daizenshuu numbers for demonstration, we get this:SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.
Goku: 180.
-Power-up: 260.
Demon King Piccolo: 200.
-Full Power: 220.
--Bakurikimaha: 440.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.
---Bakurikimaha: 520.
Thus Piccolo was not even using ½ his power in his first encounter against Goku.
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This is a nice way to explain the problem some people have with the official numbers.dbgtFO wrote:Perhaps Piccolo considers his full power the highest ki he can gather(ie. a big ki blast), so by using Daizenshuu numbers for demonstration, we get this:SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.
Goku: 180.
-Power-up: 260.
Demon King Piccolo: 200.
-Full Power: 220.
--Bakurikimaha: 440.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.
---Bakurikimaha: 520.
Thus Piccolo was not even using ½ his power in his first encounter against Goku.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
It's... not even a problem with official numbers. It's a problem with the numbers given in the manga. 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan should be stronger than Roshi, who had a power level of 139. But Daimao also can't be higher than 250 (unless you assume Ten was suppressed, in which case he still can't be close to weighted Goku's 334). I don't think this theory solves anything; when Beerus said he was only 70% of his power, nobody assumed that only that big energy ball he generated would be 100% of his power.Zombie wrote:This is a nice way to explain the problem some people have with the official numbers.dbgtFO wrote:Perhaps Piccolo considers his full power the highest ki he can gather(ie. a big ki blast), so by using Daizenshuu numbers for demonstration, we get this:SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.
Goku: 180.
-Power-up: 260.
Demon King Piccolo: 200.
-Full Power: 220.
--Bakurikimaha: 440.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.
---Bakurikimaha: 520.
Thus Piccolo was not even using ½ his power in his first encounter against Goku.
I just assume he wasn't talking about a system of numbers that he didn't know existed, and move on. It's obvious that the actual difference in power early on is much greater than what the numbers show. For example: Piccolo at 408 could casually destroy planets, and shrug off blasts from people who could do the same, yet Goku at 260 (or around 250, going purely by the manga) could barely survive a blast that destroyed a city. Then we have Tenshinhan, at 180 (or at least more than 139 and less than 250 if you go purely by the manga), stating that his Kikoho could easily kill him or Goku... and that blast is just strong
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Was anything like this ever said anywhere? Seems a bit of an assumption.nickzambuto wrote: I'd be surprised if Goku ever cracked 1,000. He was already pushing passed the limits of his maximum potential by that point, training from the gods was what he required in order to shatter that barrier and keep rising. Under normal circumstances and without special training, Goku couldn't have gotten much more powerful.
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Bruce Lee: 10Blackstripe wrote:Bruce LeeDBZAOTA482 wrote:Human Battle Power in real-life (following scouter numbers)
Dragon Ball
Bulma: 2
Average human: 2.5-5
Goku (BoDB): 15
Yamcha (BoDB): 14
Krillin (BoDB): 12
Chi-Chi (BoDB): 10
Ranfan: 6
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 8
Pamput: 40 (highest a human can naturally reach)
Real-life
N/A (give me suggestions)
I'll do one without the official numbers later.
Chuck Norris (prime and old age)
Bob Sapp
Brock Lesner
Cain Velasquez
Shinya Aoki
Billy Mays
Chuck Norris: 7 (prime), 6 (old)
Bob Sapp: 7
Brock Lesner: 9
Cain Velasquez: 8
Shinya Aoki: 6.5
Billy Mays: 5
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
How strong do you guys have:
- Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell games)
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Goten (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre Majin)
Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
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Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games): 1,075,000,000 (He's this weak because I think he was using Grade 2 against the Cell Jrs.)Darkron2151 wrote:How strong do you guys have:
- Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell games)
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Goten (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre Majin)
Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games): 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games): 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 2,200,000,000
-- Post RoSaT: 2,900,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 2,300,000,000
-- Post RoSaT: 3,100,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre-Majin): 3,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Boo arc): 3,800,000,000
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Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell games) - 7Darkron2151 wrote:How strong do you guys have:
- Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell games)
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games)
Super Saiyan Goten (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (Pre/Post ROSAT)
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre Majin)
Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc)
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games) - 11
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games) - 15
Super Saiyan Goten (Pre/Post ROSAT) - 6 (Pre) 7 (Post)
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (Pre/Post ROSAT) - 6 (Pre) 7 (Post)
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre Majin) - 16
Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc) - 18