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Fox666 wrote:Why would Darbra have beaten Gohan, if they were fighting evenly so far?
Yeah, to be honest, the fight could have gone either way. It's Vegeta's fault, he threw the hissyfit and caused the whole plan to go whack. Sure Kaioshins plan wasn't perfect, but so far at that point, it was going pretty well. Even if Gohan had lost, Dabra was toast anyway. Like Gaffer tape pointed out, the Kaioshin's plan didn't originally revolve around the strength of Gokuu & company, so yeah, the plan was more complicated than it should have been. (I guess you could shout "Aha!" and say that he should have been aware of their powers, but hey, the universe is a pretty big place..). Vegeta on the other hand....
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Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
Yeah, having a life so that you're not quite strong enough to effortlessly blow away your opponent but are still fairly evenly matched is not quite the same thing as purposely and in full knowledge of the consequences letting yourself be semi-possessed by your enemy so that you can settle a personal grudge that involves participating in an activity that does nothing but facilitate your enemy's goal.
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-I think Vegeta is more of a whiny bitch then a badass. I hate him especially during the Cell arc. He complains more then he has moments of badassedry. He needs to see how Kenshiro does things. Then he can be a badass
-I despise Linda Young's Freeza so much that I have a hard time accepting people actually like that take
-I like Broly. But don't over rate him as ermaherd he is above SSJ4 Vegetto
-I like SSJ4 more then every other form besides SSJ
-I think SSJ3 looks silly
-I think Gohan could have been written and suitable as the hero/heir of Goku.
-I think Goten is a tool and really needed to get his own identity.
-Goku only got his enormous boost of power in GT and not at the end of Z (probably isn't unpopular)
-Kid Boo was lame
-Garlic jr arc could have been replaced with a Coola arc instead
-I find dbz's pacing unwatchable and can only view it in edited clips that remove filler
-Kai did justice to the series (especially the dubbed version)
-I liked the Shadow Dragons and Bebi idea. Shadow Dragons before Eis, Nova, and Syn didn't need SSJ4 fighting them when they were pretty weak
-Movie 7 was boring
-Freeza saga was the best part of Z
-I like Kid Trunks
-I don't think Pan was that bad gasp blasphemy
-I found everything before Perfect Cell sub-par during the entirety of Androids arc. It wasn't bad, but I only liked how 18 whooped Vegeta. That was awesome to see him so helpless and have that bitch put down in the ground where he belongs. Thank you 18.
-Gohan should have had his adult look be close to Future Gohan, or like the concept art.
-I like Adult Gohan as the best Gohan.
-Movies should center around side characters more often.(not unpopular)
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Aww I like Vegeta . Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Aww I like Vegeta . Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
Yeah Pan isn't that bad. Also I wouldn't mind Vegeta complaining if he didn't do it soooooo often. When he is not the strongest. He basically just repeats how he should be, and how it's his right. The problem with him is that he repeats the same complaint over and over and over and over again. We get it. I like how he is the antithesis of Goku, but he just won't shut up about the same complaint. If he spent all that time training and not spending it complaining about the same shit, he probably would be stronger then Goku. Bring Back Freeza saga Vegeta, he was cool. He didn't complain about being weaker all the time, he admitted to it and still kicked ass. He would think his way around problems and fight even when he was out matched (without the being weaker complaint). You could sympathize with him when he was crying and stating his last request. Then he comes back and basically becomes a whiny bitch. Then by the Boo saga he tones down somewhat. By the end of the series he could have been great but it ended so we have to wait for the movie to see how he acts.
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Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Aww I like Vegeta . Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
Yeah Pan isn't that bad. Also I wouldn't mind Vegeta complaining if he didn't do it soooooo often. When he is not the strongest. He basically just repeats how he should be, and how it's his right. The problem with him is that he repeats the same complaint over and over and over and over again. We get it. I like how he is the antithesis of Goku, but he just won't shut up about the same complaint. If he spent all that time training and not spending it complaining about the same shit, he probably would be stronger then Goku.
Vegeta trains a whole hell of a lot harder than Goku actually. You heard Vegeta, Goku was born with a natural ability far beyond his own. By all accounts Vegeta should in fact be the strongest but fate plays into Goku's favor. For example Vegeta went into the ROSAT just like Goku did but Goku found a superior way to gain power.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Aww I like Vegeta . Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
Yeah Pan isn't that bad. Also I wouldn't mind Vegeta complaining if he didn't do it soooooo often. When he is not the strongest. He basically just repeats how he should be, and how it's his right. The problem with him is that he repeats the same complaint over and over and over and over again. We get it. I like how he is the antithesis of Goku, but he just won't shut up about the same complaint. If he spent all that time training and not spending it complaining about the same shit, he probably would be stronger then Goku. Bring Back Freeza saga Vegeta, he was cool. He didn't complain about being weaker all the time, he admitted to it and still kicked ass. He would think his way around problems and fight even when he was out matched (without the being weaker complaint). You could sympathize with him when he was crying and stating his last request. Then he comes back and basically becomes a whiny bitch. Then by the Boo saga he tones down somewhat. By the end of the series he could have been great but it ended so we have to wait for the movie to see how he acts.
Also even though Vegeta trains harder he could probably get better gains by spending his time figuring out better methods of training. He should know you have to always be switching methods or the growth in power will cease. He could even just fight Goku to train. I know he probably doesn't want to train with Goku, but fighting him in a training session will open him up to better training methods then working by yourself and getting no where. I wouldn't say it's fate siding with Goku. It's just he trains more efficiently. Goku probably has more potential then him as well. If Vegeta acted more like he did in the Freeza arc I would like him much more.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Aww I like Vegeta . Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
Yeah Pan isn't that bad. Also I wouldn't mind Vegeta complaining if he didn't do it soooooo often. When he is not the strongest. He basically just repeats how he should be, and how it's his right. The problem with him is that he repeats the same complaint over and over and over and over again. We get it. I like how he is the antithesis of Goku, but he just won't shut up about the same complaint. If he spent all that time training and not spending it complaining about the same shit, he probably would be stronger then Goku. Bring Back Freeza saga Vegeta, he was cool. He didn't complain about being weaker all the time, he admitted to it and still kicked ass. He would think his way around problems and fight even when he was out matched (without the being weaker complaint). You could sympathize with him when he was crying and stating his last request. Then he comes back and basically becomes a whiny bitch. Then by the Boo saga he tones down somewhat. By the end of the series he could have been great but it ended so we have to wait for the movie to see how he acts.
Also even though Vegeta trains harder he could probably get better gains by spending his time figuring out better methods of training. He should know you have to always be switching methods or the growth in power will cease. He could even just fight Goku to train. I know he probably doesn't want to train with Goku, but fighting him in a training session will open him up to better training methods then working by yourself and getting no where. I wouldn't say it's fate siding with Goku. It's just he trains more efficiently. Goku probably has more potential then him as well. If Vegeta acted more like he did in the Freeza arc I would like him much more.
This is true however its kind of out of character for Vegeta to train with others. EoZ Vegeta is definitely the best Vegeta IMO. He finally let go however still has some friendly competition with Kakarot. This also brings up another thing I like about Vegeta, character development. Piccolo and Vegeta have the best development IMO.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
TheMightyOzaru wrote:This is true however its kind of out of character for Vegeta to train with others. EoZ Vegeta is definitely the best Vegeta IMO. He finally let go however still has some friendly competition with Kakarot. This also brings up another thing I like about Vegeta, character development. Piccolo and Vegeta have the best development IMO.
I said it wasn't like Vegeta to, but it is plain ridiculous if he can't notice when his training isn't good enough. He finally realizes it in the Boo saga that no matter how much he trains he can't win. He probably could do better if he swallowed his pride and trained with Goku. After the battle with Boo, that is exactly what he should have done. He would have benefited more from training with Goku.
I forgot Vegeta's development. I remember he was stuck up(Saiyan Saga), then he was tactical, smart, and showed some back story and Saiyan/Freeza rivalry(Freeza Saga), then he became a whiny bitch(Everything post Freeza-End of Cell), then he started to realize the truth, complain less, and then accepted it(Boo Saga-Eoz)
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:This is true however its kind of out of character for Vegeta to train with others. EoZ Vegeta is definitely the best Vegeta IMO. He finally let go however still has some friendly competition with Kakarot. This also brings up another thing I like about Vegeta, character development. Piccolo and Vegeta have the best development IMO.
I said it wasn't like Vegeta to, but it is plain ridiculous if he can't notice when his training isn't good enough. He finally realizes it in the Boo saga that no matter how much he trains he can't win. He probably could do better if he swallowed his pride and trained with Goku. After the battle with Boo, that is exactly what he should have done. He would have benefited more from training with Goku.
I forgot Vegeta's development. I remember he was stuck up(Saiyan Saga), then he was tactical, smart, and showed some back story and Saiyan/Freeza rivalry(Freeza Saga), then he became a whiny bitch(Everything post Freeza-End of Cell), then he started to realize the truth, complain less, and then accepted it(Boo Saga-Eoz)
It would seem to me you simply dont care for his android arc counterpart. I am curious though, I don't recall Vegeta "bitching" that often in this arc. Can you provide examples.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
TheMightyOzaru wrote:This is true however its kind of out of character for Vegeta to train with others. EoZ Vegeta is definitely the best Vegeta IMO. He finally let go however still has some friendly competition with Kakarot. This also brings up another thing I like about Vegeta, character development. Piccolo and Vegeta have the best development IMO.
I said it wasn't like Vegeta to, but it is plain ridiculous if he can't notice when his training isn't good enough. He finally realizes it in the Boo saga that no matter how much he trains he can't win. He probably could do better if he swallowed his pride and trained with Goku. After the battle with Boo, that is exactly what he should have done. He would have benefited more from training with Goku.
I forgot Vegeta's development. I remember he was stuck up(Saiyan Saga), then he was tactical, smart, and showed some back story and Saiyan/Freeza rivalry(Freeza Saga), then he became a whiny bitch(Everything post Freeza-End of Cell), then he started to realize the truth, complain less, and then accepted it(Boo Saga-Eoz)
It would seem to me you simply dont care for his android arc counterpart. I am curious though, I don't recall Vegeta "bitching" that often in this arc. Can you provide examples.
Complains about not being a SSJ when seeing Trunks.
Complains every time someone mentions getting Goku or waiting for him
Complains about the androids kicking his ass and how he should be stronger
Complains about the namek being stronger then him
Complains about Cell kicking his ass
Complains about Goku being stronger again
Complains about Gohan being stronger
There are more example people could probably bring up. Most of the time he just repeats these things on the list. Some are reasonable, and some that were legitimate he beats into your skull after you already get the point. When he sees someone stronger he should just get stronger, not complain he should be the strongest. He should no that inevitability will com when someone as strong or stronger will surface, even Goku realized this as a kid.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Complains about not being a SSJ when seeing Trunks.
Complains every time someone mentions getting Goku or waiting for him
Complains about the androids kicking his ass and how he should be stronger
Complains about the namek being stronger then him
Complains about Cell kicking his ass
Complains about Goku being stronger again
Complains about Gohan being stronger
There are more example people could probably bring up. Most of the time he just repeats these things on the list. Some are reasonable, and some that were legitimate he beats into your skull after you already get the point. When he sees someone stronger he should just get stronger, not complain he should be the strongest. He should no that inevitability will com when someone as strong or stronger will surface, even Goku realized this as a kid.
Half of those arent even real complaints =/. Vegeta doesnt even complain when people mention Goku. He scoffs at the very idea of waiting for Goku because he knows he is stronger than Goku. I would consider his statements/actions complaints if did nothing about it but Vegeta takes action. He is annoyed when someone has surpassed him and he is like fuck that I'm gonna get stronger. Thats what he always does =/. Vegeta does know that someone stronger will surface. Only when he realizes that SSJ isnt enough, thats when he never stops training.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
dbzfan7 wrote:Complains about not being a SSJ when seeing Trunks.
Complains every time someone mentions getting Goku or waiting for him
Complains about the androids kicking his ass and how he should be stronger
Complains about the namek being stronger then him
Complains about Cell kicking his ass
Complains about Goku being stronger again
Complains about Gohan being stronger
There are more example people could probably bring up. Most of the time he just repeats these things on the list. Some are reasonable, and some that were legitimate he beats into your skull after you already get the point. When he sees someone stronger he should just get stronger, not complain he should be the strongest. He should no that inevitability will com when someone as strong or stronger will surface, even Goku realized this as a kid.
Half of those arent even real complaints =/. Vegeta doesnt even complain when people mention Goku. He scoffs at the very idea of waiting for Goku because he knows he is stronger than Goku. I would consider his statements/actions complaints if did nothing about it but Vegeta takes action. He is annoyed when someone has surpassed him and he is like fuck that I'm gonna get stronger. Thats what he always does =/. Vegeta does know that someone stronger will surface. Only when he realizes that SSJ isnt enough, thats when he never stops training.
If he knew someone stronger would surface, he wouldn't complain if Goku surpasses him or when Cell or Gohan got stronger, he should expect it. Also he does complain because he doesn't think he needs Goku and everyone else thinks he is the only one who can save everyone. If he truly realized that lesson. He would not be surprised if he can be surpassed. He should like everyone else understand the fact that it is bound to happen and use that to encourage further growth in his own training. Yet instead he complains when Goku surpassed him again, then complains when the "brat" surpasses him as well even when he mentions his incredible hidden power.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Complains about not being a SSJ when seeing Trunks.
Complains every time someone mentions getting Goku or waiting for him
Complains about the androids kicking his ass and how he should be stronger
Complains about the namek being stronger then him
Complains about Cell kicking his ass
Complains about Goku being stronger again
Complains about Gohan being stronger
There are more example people could probably bring up. Most of the time he just repeats these things on the list. Some are reasonable, and some that were legitimate he beats into your skull after you already get the point. When he sees someone stronger he should just get stronger, not complain he should be the strongest. He should no that inevitability will com when someone as strong or stronger will surface, even Goku realized this as a kid.
Half of those arent even real complaints =/. Vegeta doesnt even complain when people mention Goku. He scoffs at the very idea of waiting for Goku because he knows he is stronger than Goku. I would consider his statements/actions complaints if did nothing about it but Vegeta takes action. He is annoyed when someone has surpassed him and he is like fuck that I'm gonna get stronger. Thats what he always does =/. Vegeta does know that someone stronger will surface. Only when he realizes that SSJ isnt enough, thats when he never stops training.
If he knew someone stronger would surface, he wouldn't complain if Goku surpasses him or when Cell or Gohan got stronger, he should expect it. Also he does complain because he doesn't think he needs Goku and everyone else thinks he is the only one who can save everyone. If he truly realized that lesson. He would not be surprised if he can be surpassed. He should like everyone else understand the fact that it is bound to happen and use that to encourage further growth in his own training. Yet instead he complains when Goku surpassed him again.
Vegeta did everything he could. He even went into the ROSAT again during the 10 day wait to get stronger. Again he didnt realize that SSJ wasnt enough till the androids beat him. Vegeta is too focused on his training alone to realize that sparring would benefit his training. However Goku often trains alone as well and yet he still surpasses Vegeta. His training methods still put him in the top 3 strongest characters in the series so he is obviously doing something right.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
2707-1669-7946
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Vegeta did everything he could. He even went into the ROSAT again during the 10 day wait to get stronger. Again he didn't realize that SSJ wasnt enough till the androids beat him. Vegeta is too focused on his training alone to realize that sparring would benefit his training. However Goku often trains alone as well and yet he still surpasses Vegeta. His training methods still put him in the top 3 strongest characters in the series so he is obviously doing something right.
Goku realized that training in the rosat again wouldn't benefit that much because the same methods don't work. Eventually the growth will stop when the training exercise can't increase strength when the pace and level is the same. Part of training is knowing what to do. When I exercise, I plan out and know what I do and either build on or switch methods to strengthen other areas(I suck at cardio though except biking). Vegeta just goes out and destroy's his body, rather then be innovative. He has the motivation and persistence, but he doesn't have the right methods.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:
Complains about not being a SSJ when seeing Trunks.
Complains every time someone mentions getting Goku or waiting for him
Complains about the androids kicking his ass and how he should be stronger
Complains about the namek being stronger then him
Complains about Cell kicking his ass
Complains about Goku being stronger again
Complains about Gohan being stronger
There are more example people could probably bring up. Most of the time he just repeats these things on the list. Some are reasonable, and some that were legitimate he beats into your skull after you already get the point. When he sees someone stronger he should just get stronger, not complain he should be the strongest. He should no that inevitability will com when someone as strong or stronger will surface, even Goku realized this as a kid.
Well, Vegeta is technically a prince. People growing up of royal or higher-classed upbringings are VERY often conceited and demanding (see Bulma for example).
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's essentially god therefore should know every basic foundation of all planets, especially since he's lived for so long and he CAN use Shukadon Ido.
What are you talking about? Even if he did know every location on Earth (which isn't how gods work in Dragon Ball, they don't know everything about everything, except for the Kami of the planet), how would he know where the spaceship is? And no, he can't use Shunkan Ido, Kibito can.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's essentially god therefore should know every basic foundation of all planets, especially since he's lived for so long and he CAN use Shukadon Ido.
What are you talking about? Even if he did know every location on Earth (which isn't how gods work in Dragon Ball, they don't know everything about everything, except for the Kami of the planet), how would he know where the spaceship is? And no, he can't use Shunkan Ido, Kibito can.
I don't expect him to know exactly where the spaceship is. I just expect him to know all the required ins and outs, and to not suck so much.
And if Kibito knows how to use Shunkan Ido then they're both incompetent morons, and they endangered the planet. It's sad that King Kai is so much cooler than they are despite his relatively small role.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
. Oh well thats your opinion. I think his bitterness and outright hatred toward Kakarot benefits his character to be honest. While I can kind of see where you are coming from I certainly don't think he is a whiny bitch, he is just angry with Kakarot for surpassing him at every turn. You would be pretty pissed off too if some clown showed up out of nowhere and one upped you at everything you hold dear. Oh you like Pan too? *high five*
