Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Noah]

You guys have Spopovich and Videl above BoDB Goku?

[ThePiccolo]

In battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Super, Beerus says that Goku couldn't beat Freeza in his base form, so that's a thing.

On an unrelated note, how strong do you guys think Kibito-shin is? Judging from how Vegeta stuck around for the fight against Pure Boo, and Kibito-shin didn't, I put him on the low end of the Super Saiyan 2 tier.

Yeah, he did, but I couldn't fit that into my levels, so I just screwed it. I mean, even if Goku's level was 100 million, that's still really close, so it was just hard for me to get that in.

And yeah, Kibito-Shin would be a low SSJ2 level, like maybe SSJ2 Adult Gohan.

where would you guys put this people up

-Kid Goku(Beginning of Dragon Ball)
-Yamcha(Fist Appearance)
-Videl(Pre Ki Training)
-Videl(Post Ki Training)
-Mr.Satan
-Spopovich
-Yamu
-Jewel
-Ranfan
-Punter
-Killer
-Blonde Launch
-Mighty Mask(The real one)
-Average Human

I'm one of the few people who put Kid Goku at 50 at the beginning, so:
-Kid Goku(Beginning of Dragon Ball)- 50
-Yamcha(Fist Appearance)- 44
-Videl(Pre Ki Training)- 28
-Videl(Post Ki Training)- 35
-Mr.Satan- 25
-Spopovich- 70
-Yamu- 80
-Jewel- 15
-Ranfan- 20
-Punter- 18
-Killer- 16
-Blonde Launch- 14
-Mighty Mask(The real one)- 10
-Average Human- 5

You guys have Spopovich and Videl above BoDB Goku?

I only have Spopovich above BoDB Goku, since he crushed a Ki-Trained Videl easily.

[ZombieVito]

where would you guys put this people up

-Kid Goku(Beginning of Dragon Ball): 10
-Yamcha(Fist Appearance): 9
-Videl(Pre Ki Training): 7
-Videl(Post Ki Training): 20
-Mr.Satan: 6.66
-Spopovich: 36
-Yamu: 40
-Jewel: 6.25
-Ranfan: 14
-Punter: 6
-Killer: 5.75
-Blonde Launch: 5
-Mighty Mask(The real one): 5.75
-Average Human: 3 - 5

You guys have Spopovich and Videl above BoDB Goku?

Both Yamu and Spopovitch displayed Ki feats superior to BoZ Goku and Piccolo.

[Noah]

Both Yamu and Spopovitch displayed Ki feats superior to BoZ Goku and Piccolo.

No, I'm talking about Kid Goku from BoDB that you guys said is below Yamu and Spopovich. I'm not even considered compare they to Goku and Piccolo in BoZ, how they displayed superior Ki feats than the duo?

[Kaboom]

where would you guys put this people up...

Let's see...

Kid Goku: 10. Already an official number, easy-peasy. But of course, he's physically way stronger and tougher than that, thanks to being a Saiyan. He's probably already operating on a practical BP level of like 30 or something. As the series continued and ki use became more of a primary and deciding factor in fights, things "evened out" and Goku's Saiyan physiology became less of an advantage.

Yamcha: 6 or 7, maybe.

Videl: Before her training, 7 or 8. Potent enough for Gohan to pick her out of a crowd when she fought. After her training, something like 20. I think her learning to use her ki for something as tricky as flying would naturally cause her power level to increase. Like exercising a muscle you didn't even know you had before.

Mr. Satan: He's at a 5 or maybe a 6. He's physically strong for a normal Earthling, but has shown zero ki proficiency.

Spopovich and Yamu: Hard to place these guys. They had potent ki blasts and flight auras, but Videl was able to rough Spoppy up. Maybe he was really a lot stronger than her all along, but just let her wail on him because he knew his zombie-like durability could take it. If something like that's the case, then I'd place these guys both as high as 100 or so.

Jewel: Another normal human. 5 or 6.

Lan-Fan: She might be a little stronger than a normal human if she was able to even affect someone like Nam, but I don't think she's quite "super-human." So maybe like 20-30?

Punter, Killer, blonde Lunch, Mighty Mask: These guys haven't shown anything (that I can remember) to put them any stronger than a normal human, much less any ki proficiency demonstrating a higher-than-average power level. So they'd all be around the same "normal Earthling" level of 5. Even nega-Lunch is only dangerous because of her hammerspace guns.

[DBZAOTA482]

You guys have Spopovich and Videl above BoDB Goku?

Spopovich has far better ki feats than BoDB Goku (who can only form a relatively weak Kamehameha).

[ZombieVito]

Both Yamu and Spopovitch displayed Ki feats superior to BoZ Goku and Piccolo.

No, I'm talking about Kid Goku from BoDB that you guys said is below Yamu and Spopovich. I'm not even considered compare they to Goku and Piccolo in BoZ, how they displayed superior Ki feats than the duo?

Can BoZ Goku or Piccolo do this?

Spoiler:

[Noah]

Can BoZ Goku or Piccolo do this?

Spoiler:

You mean fly really fast?

I don't see that as a great feat at all, anyway I don't get your point, you have Yamu and Spopovich below BoZ Goku and Piccolo, right? Why you're comparing their feats?

Spopovich has far better ki feats than BoDB Goku (who can only form a relatively weak Kamehameha).

So probably just 21st TB or 22nd TB Goku would deal with them quickly?

[ZombieVito]

If I could I would put them in the 1,000's but I doubt Spopovitch could suppress himself that much.

[DanielSSJ]

Spopovich and Yamu: Hard to place these guys. They had potent ki blasts and flight auras, but Videl was able to rough Spoppy up. Maybe he was really a lot stronger than her all along, but just let her wail on him because he knew his zombie-like durability could take it. If something like that's the case, then I'd place these guys both as high as 100 or so.

I have my own explanation as to why Videl was able to rough up Spopovich so much, despite being much weaker. Goku's PL may be 10, but because of his Saiyan biology, he's much stronger and tougher than that. On the flip side, since Spopovich got stronger through magical means, instead of training, only his Ki increased and his body didn't get any tougher.

[Kaboom]

I have my own explanation as to why Videl was able to rough up Spopovich so much, despite being much weaker. Goku's PL may be 10, but because of his Saiyan biology, he's much stronger and tougher than that. On the flip side, since Spopovich got stronger through magical means, instead of training, only his Ki increased and his body didn't get any tougher.

Hey, I like the sound of that. So maybe his power level is like 100 or more, but he's only got the durability of someone with a PL of a dozen or so. Whereas guys like Vegeta, Dabra, and the like would have no such drawback because they're already operating with superhuman levels of ki, and the amount of dormant power drawn out by Bobbidi wasn't so drastic. Would certainly all make sense to me.

[RandomGuy96]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke. They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face with a pistol and be okay (on the contrary, one pistol bullet could kill either of them), they can't kill a bear in one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

They're probably below peak human levels in pure strength, durability, and speed. Gohan was unsure if Videl was superior to Satan (who is weaker than Bob Sapp) at first, and 1 month of training wouldn't increase her power by that much. Videl herself was pretty clearly superior to Spopovich in a normal brawl, he could just regenerate from whatever she could throw at him, e.g. the broken neck.

[Kaboom]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke.

Is anyone allowed to have a power levels opinion without you finding something within it to contend with or label as ridiculous?

[DanielSSJ]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke. They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face with a pistol and be okay (on the contrary, one pistol bullet could kill either of them), they can't kill a bear in one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

They're probably below peak human levels in pure strength, durability, and speed. Gohan was unsure if Videl was superior to Satan (who is weaker than Bob Sapp) at first, and 1 month of training wouldn't increase her power by that much. Videl herself was pretty clearly superior to Spopovich in a normal brawl, he could just regenerate from whatever she could throw at him, e.g. the broken neck.

Rocketing through the sky with a visible aura and throwing Ki blasts around show that they are way higher than Pilaf Arc Goku. I'm open to Videl being lower, but a lot of Goku's strength and durability feats can be chalked up to Saiyan's being built tougher than humans. There's even some evidence to back this up. Take this image from Dragon Ball chapter 27

We see the results of Lunch shooting Goku, Kuirirn, and Roshi. Note that out of all of them, Goku is the only one without the cartoony bullet holes, despite that Muten Roshi is much, much stronger than him.
There's also this image from the Saiyan arc.

Bulma shoots Kuririn and Roshi, who are both way stronger than BoDB Goku, and they have bullet holes. Obviously these are gag scenes since the bullet holes disappear, but it's something considering every time Goku was shot at in Dragon Ball, he was drawn with scratches at the most.

[RandomGuy96]

Rocketing through the sky with a visible aura and throwing Ki blasts around show that they are way higher than Pilaf Arc Goku.

Flying is a technique (which Puar could do in BODB), as are ki blasts (which Goku could do in the BODB), and neither have anything to do with strength. So your only evidence for them being anywhere near Pilaf-era Goku's level is that they sometimes have auras. How is this better evidence than the only fight Spopovich has ever had? Or, pretty much every single thing Goku does in the first arc?

They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face and be okay, they can't kill a bear with one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

I'm open to Videl being lower, but a lot of Goku's strength and durability feats can be chalked up to Saiyan's being built tougher than humans.

He didn't instantly splatter Yamcha or Krillin when they punched each other. His physiology didn't make him way, way stronger than them, that's just an example of what can be done at his level of power.

There's even some evidence to back this up. Take this image from Dragon Ball chapter 27
Bulma shoots Kuririn and Roshi, who are both way stronger than BoDB Goku, and they have bullet holes. Obviously these are gag scenes since the bullet holes disappear, but it's something considering every time Goku was shot at in Dragon Ball, he was drawn with scratches at the most.

It's very obviously a gag rather than an indicator of power, unless you think you could kill Piccolo Daimao with a machine gun (Krillin is around that level in the second image).

[ahill1]

where would you guys put this people up...

Let's see...

Kid Goku: 10. Already an official number, easy-peasy. But of course, he's physically way stronger and tougher than that, thanks to being a Saiyan. He's probably already operating on a practical BP level of like 30 or something. As the series continued and ki use became more of a primary and deciding factor in fights, things "evened out" and Goku's Saiyan physiology became less of an advantage.

Yamcha: 6 or 7, maybe.

Videl: Before her training, 7 or 8. Potent enough for Gohan to pick her out of a crowd when she fought. After her training, something like 20. I think her learning to use her ki for something as tricky as flying would naturally cause her power level to increase. Like exercising a muscle you didn't even know you had before.

Mr. Satan: He's at a 5 or maybe a 6. He's physically strong for a normal Earthling, but has shown zero ki proficiency.

Spopovich and Yamu: Hard to place these guys. They had potent ki blasts and flight auras, but Videl was able to rough Spoppy up. Maybe he was really a lot stronger than her all along, but just let her wail on him because he knew his zombie-like durability could take it. If something like that's the case, then I'd place these guys both as high as 100 or so.

Jewel: Another normal human. 5 or 6.

Lan-Fan: She might be a little stronger than a normal human if she was able to even affect someone like Nam, but I don't think she's quite "super-human." So maybe like 20-30?

Punter, Killer, blonde Lunch, Mighty Mask: These guys haven't shown anything (that I can remember) to put them any stronger than a normal human, much less any ki proficiency demonstrating a higher-than-average power level. So they'd all be around the same "normal Earthling" level of 5. Even nega-Lunch is only dangerous because of her hammerspace guns.

I think Yamcha ( BoD ) should be closer to Goku ( BoD ); maybe 8 or 9. I really wanted to see your Dragon Ball Battle power list.

[ahill1]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke. They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face with a pistol and be okay (on the contrary, one pistol bullet could kill either of them), they can't kill a bear in one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

They're probably below peak human levels in pure strength, durability, and speed. Gohan was unsure if Videl was superior to Satan (who is weaker than Bob Sapp) at first, and 1 month of training wouldn't increase her power by that much. Videl herself was pretty clearly superior to Spopovich in a normal brawl, he could just regenerate from whatever she could throw at him, e.g. the broken neck.

How do you know they cannot do this ?

[RandomGuy96]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke. They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face with a pistol and be okay (on the contrary, one pistol bullet could kill either of them), they can't kill a bear in one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

They're probably below peak human levels in pure strength, durability, and speed. Gohan was unsure if Videl was superior to Satan (who is weaker than Bob Sapp) at first, and 1 month of training wouldn't increase her power by that much. Videl herself was pretty clearly superior to Spopovich in a normal brawl, he could just regenerate from whatever she could throw at him, e.g. the broken neck.

How do you know they cannot do this ?

Because:
1. Gohan wasn't even sure about Videl being stronger than Satan, and it's highly unlikely that she's gotten many times stronger just from some light training in one month.
2. When Videl gets hit by a pistol bullet in BOG, she nearly dies; by contrast pistol bullets bounce right off Goku.
3. They never demonstrate such power anywhere, so it's safer to assume they can't than that they can (especially when Spopo's fight with Videl is taken into account).

[Khin]

Re: Spopovich and Yamu having those white auras.

Didnt Dende after being powered up by Guru also have those? And he was hinted to be below Mr.Satan

[DBZAOTA482]

Saying that Spopo or Videl are anywhere close to BODB Goku in strength is a huge joke. They can't casually lift cars, they can't get shot in the face with a pistol and be okay (on the contrary, one pistol bullet could kill either of them), they can't kill a bear in one punch, they can't take an axe to the head and be okay, they can't decapitate dinosaurs with a stick, they can't get punched through stone pillars and be okay, they can't hunt animals that would rip a normal human to shreds for fun, they can't break a stack of three bricks by poking it, they can't punch someone so hard they go flying a dozen meters, they can't break a rock bigger than them by hugging it, the list goes on and on. It's not on BODB Goku's level, not on BODB Yamcha's level, and it's not on BODB Krillin's level.

They're probably below peak human levels in pure strength, durability, and speed. Gohan was unsure if Videl was superior to Satan (who is weaker than Bob Sapp) at first, and 1 month of training wouldn't increase her power by that much. Videl herself was pretty clearly superior to Spopovich in a normal brawl, he could just regenerate from whatever she could throw at him, e.g. the broken neck.

Oh wow... you hit the nail right on the coffin. Good work.

Oh and Krillin is not in BoDB. Don't forget BoDB Chi-Chi (outran and decapitating a T-rex while scared) and even Blonde Lunch (she broke out the grip and one-shotted a man of a similar build to the thug Videl took a few hits to bring down) are stronger.