Live-action movie trailer

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:55 pm

Let's jump to conclusions.

OMG THIS 1 MINUTE TRAILER JUST PROVED THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:57 pm

JAPPO wrote:Let's jump to conclusions.

OMG THIS 1 MINUTE TRAILER JUST PROVED THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Oh come now, be serious.

It's not Superman Returns.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:13 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Alright. Put your money where your mouth is. Tell us how you would sum 153 episodes up the right way. Tell me how a story like that would go. I challenge you to do that!

I would be perfectly willing to do that if a real opportunity ever presented itself to me. But in order to pull it off right it would take a lot of time and effort; I would definitely revisit the comics and go through the plot points one by one, determining what’s essential to progressing the story, what might not be, and how to adequately portray the emotions it conveys as a whole in a moving picture medium. I would stay as close to home as possible, deviating only when I felt something could be made stronger in a way the fans would appreciate. I certainly would not do a rush job or compromise the familiarity of the characters. So even if I wanted to put my vision of a Dragon Ball movie out there for free, I wouldn’t be able to get it to you for quite some time from now.

Though I do appreciate the challenge.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:17 pm

Acid_Reign said: I would be perfectly willing to do that if a real opportunity ever presented itself to me. But in order to pull it off right it would take a lot of time and effort; I would definitely revisit the comics and go through the plot points one by one, determining what’s essential to progressing the story, what might not be, and how to adequately portray the emotions it conveys as a whole in a moving picture medium. I would stay as close to home as possible, deviating only when I felt something could be made stronger in a way the fans would appreciate. I certainly would not do a rush job or compromise the familiarity of the characters. So even if I wanted to put my vision of a Dragon Ball movie out there for free, I wouldn’t be able to get it to you for quite some time from now.

Mmm hm...Likely story.

I'm sure you would do the series "justice" though. You just make it sound like it's so obvious and easy. To me it's impossible to adapt 16 volumes like that. Dragon Ball itself should be a trilogy if they really want to do it properly.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:24 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote: Mmm hm...Likely story. I'm sure you would do the series "justice" though. You just make it sound like it's so obvious and easy.

Personally what I think is obvious is that the people in charge of producing this film have a very limited understanding of the series and it shows, it's because we're fans of Dragonball that we know a bad adaption when we see one.

What I love about this topic is that people who are pro-movie never seem to have to justify their position, whereas people who are critical of it are ordered to write essays about why they felt that way, because if they don't, they're just being jerks.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:27 pm

Captain Awesome said: Personally what I think is obvious is that the people in charge of producing this film have a very limited understanding of the series and it shows, it's because we're fans of Dragonball that we know a bad adaption when we see one.

What I love about this topic is that people who are pro-movie never seem to have to justify their position, whereas people who are critical of it are ordered to write essays about why they felt that way, because if they don't, they're just being jerks.

I hope you're not talking about me! I'm not "pro-movie" at all. I'm not even interested in seeing this shit anymore. A lot of people just make it seem like adapting 16 volumes is the easier than taking an open book test. I disagree. I don't think there is anyway to do that shit. I was just asking him how HE would go about doing it. I didn't ask for an essay and I wasn't calling anyone a jerk.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:29 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote: I hope you're not talking about me! I'm not "pro-movie" at all. I'm not even interested in seeing this shit anymore. A lot of people just make it seem like adapting 16 volumes is the easier than taking an open book test. I disagree. I don't think there is anyway to do that shit. I was just asking him how HE would go about doing it. I didn't ask for an essay and I wasn't calling anyone a jerk.

Sorry, I was speaking generally.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:31 pm

Captain Awesome said: Sorry, I was speaking generally.

Alright. I was just making it clear I wasn't trying to come at anybody for their opinions. I just wanted to know how someone would go about adapting a 16 volume series into a 3 hour movie. The right way. You know because it's SO easy.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:42 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Mmm hm...Likely story. I'm sure you would do the series "justice" though. You just make it sound like it's so obvious and easy. To me it's impossible to adapt 16 volumes like that. Dragon Ball itself should be a trilogy if they really want to do it properly.

Well, as a director, it’d be my job to make it look easy.

It really is quite difficult though. Which is why time and care should be taken with it, to make sure it’s done right. As for the compressibility; naturally one movie would not serve the whole series justice, unless it were ridiculously long. I think a trilogy would be the minimum requirement to tell all of the important parts, while a tetralogy or pentalogy would round it out and make it feel more complete. That is of course, assuming the audience wouldn’t tire of it by then. A “what-if” canon, à la the animated movies, would also be a viable alternative in that case.

Chrono Trigger wrote:Alright. I was just making it clear I wasn't trying to come at anybody for their opinions. I just wanted to know how someone would go about adapting a 16 volume series into a 3 hour movie. The right way. You know because it's SO easy.

Like I said, no easy task. But in theory it is simple to stick to the established story.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:51 pm

It's too complicated to me. I don't think Dragon Ball really needs a LAM. Cowboy Bebop doesn't either. It's unnecessary and nobody asked for them. It would have made more sense like 4-5 years ago but not now.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:59 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:It's too complicated to me. I don't think Dragon Ball really needs a LAM. Cowboy Bebop doesn't either. It's unnecessary and nobody asked for them. It would have made more sense like 4-5 years ago but not now.

That's another thing that kinda bothers me; if they were going to make these movies, why wait until several years after they hit their peak mainstream popularity?

I mean, instead of butchering Dragon Ball to bits, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a current popular series?

Especially since three series that are currently very popular in the U.S. involve high-school age main characters?

I mean, with those three current series, you can siphon all the angst and romance you want by the pound. They're like oil wells of teenage drama.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:01 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote: Mmm hm...Likely story. I'm sure you would do the series "justice" though. You just make it sound like it's so obvious and easy.
Personally what I think is obvious is that the people in charge of producing this film have a very limited understanding of the series and it shows, it's because we're fans of Dragonball that we know a bad adaption when we see one.

What I love about this topic is that people who are pro-movie never seem to have to justify their position, whereas people who are critical of it are ordered to write essays about why they felt that way, because if they don't, they're just being jerks.

I don't know who you are referring to, as I have always justified my position. You can go back through the locked thread and see for yourself. My main complaint is the anti movie people, not all, but a lot say the same things.
"Why isn't Goku Japanese?"
"Piccolo isn't Green? WTF?"
"Goku would never wear street clothes!"
"Why would Goku kiss Chi Chi, gay!"
"This movie is shit!"
And so on. My major issue is the last statement, at least say, "This movie looks like it is going to be shit!" Saying it is shit implies that you have seen it and know for a fact that it is, in fact, shit.

Captain-Sora · Post by **Captain-Sora** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:10 am

Chuquita wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:It's too complicated to me. I don't think Dragon Ball really needs a LAM. Cowboy Bebop doesn't either. It's unnecessary and nobody asked for them. It would have made more sense like 4-5 years ago but not now.

That's another thing that kinda bothers me; if they were going to make these movies, why wait until several years after they hit their peak mainstream popularity?

I mean, instead of butchering Dragon Ball to bits, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a current popular series?
Especially since three series that are currently very popular in the U.S. involve high-school age main characters?

I mean, with those three current series, you can siphon all the angst and romance you want by the pound. They're like oil wells of teenage drama.

One Piece isn't like that. O_o, Unless you're refering to some new piece of junk anime that people like that I don't know of yet. Last I checked, OP, Narutard and Bleach were the top ones(One Piece, even though it isn't number 1 in the US, certainly deserves it since it isn't anxiety-fested and doesn't use lame current-gen cliches like "hair infront of eyes represents you being emo or about to own someone," Hell, it IS the next DB, not Narutard).

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:14 am

Captain-Sora wrote:
Chuquita wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:It's too complicated to me. I don't think Dragon Ball really needs a LAM. Cowboy Bebop doesn't either. It's unnecessary and nobody asked for them. It would have made more sense like 4-5 years ago but not now.

That's another thing that kinda bothers me; if they were going to make these movies, why wait until several years after they hit their peak mainstream popularity?

I mean, instead of butchering Dragon Ball to bits, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a current popular series?
Especially since three series that are currently very popular in the U.S. involve high-school age main characters?

I mean, with those three current series, you can siphon all the angst and romance you want by the pound. They're like oil wells of teenage drama.
One Piece isn't like that. O_o, Unless you're refering to some new piece of junk anime that people like that I don't know of yet. Last I checked, OP, Narutard and Bleach were the top ones(One Piece, even though it isn't number 1 in the US, certainly deserves it since it isn't anxiety-fested and doesn't use lame current-gen cliches like "hair infront of eyes represents you being emo or about to own someone," Hell, it IS the next DB, not Narutard).

Let's not discriminate against that series. It's had some decent moments.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:16 am

Chuquita said: I mean, with those three current series, you can siphon all the angst and romance you want by the pound. They're like oil wells of teenage drama.

I just feel like things like Manga/Anime don't need to be made into live action. I don't know why it works for Batman and Spider-Man but it just doesn't translate as well to certain manga series. They'll never get Bebop right because they'll never be able to match the music and overall tone of the show. They couldn't Dragon Ball right because they gave a shitty effort and Dragon Ball is just far TOO complicated. That and they'll just never get the look right. One Piece? Yeah right. Naruto? Well that show sucks so who cares. Bleach!? Well maybe but Hollywood would somehow fuck that up too. It just CAN'T be done. I mean it can but not in the way that would satisfy most fans.

Captain-Sora · Post by **Captain-Sora** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:18 am

The only saga I'd call decent was the first one with Haku and such, it felt fresh a little and I expected it to get better afterwards but it just became a borefest. Then it became cool a little during the Sai parts of the timeskip and then afterwards it became the worst pacing manga ever.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh to the series but One Piece completely converted me from that generic current-generation cliche fest, I started enjoying classics more and One Piece for its adventure representation.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:22 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:The actors have been signed on for three movies altogether. True, there's always a small chance they may not happen, but it seems to make more sense to assume they will.

Point is, sequels aren't green-lit. The actors for the movie Serenity were signed for two sequels, yet there probably ain't a chance of another movie in the Firefly/Serenity 'verse being made. My personal guess, this movie is gonna bomb like Speed Racer (as awesome a movie as it is, it did bomb), as there really doesn't seem to be as big an interest in anime-cum-live-action movies these days as there may've been a few years back. Best case scenario IMO, a revamp series of flicks is done in 5 years like The Incredible Hulk and what's being planned with the Superman movie franchise.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:23 am

Pain wrote:
Captain-Sora wrote:
Chuquita wrote:
That's another thing that kinda bothers me; if they were going to make these movies, why wait until several years after they hit their peak mainstream popularity?

I mean, instead of butchering Dragon Ball to bits, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a current popular series?
Especially since three series that are currently very popular in the U.S. involve high-school age main characters?

I mean, with those three current series, you can siphon all the angst and romance you want by the pound. They're like oil wells of teenage drama.
One Piece isn't like that. O_o, Unless you're refering to some new piece of junk anime that people like that I don't know of yet. Last I checked, OP, Narutard and Bleach were the top ones(One Piece, even though it isn't number 1 in the US, certainly deserves it since it isn't anxiety-fested and doesn't use lame current-gen cliches like "hair infront of eyes represents you being emo or about to own someone," Hell, it IS the next DB, not Narutard).
Let's not discriminate against that series. It's had some decent moments.

I wasn't talking about One Piece ^^; (Note I purposely mentioned the U.S. instead of saying Japan or worldwide) which is an awesome series imo and I am still disappointed it wound up in obscurity due to 4Kids and their idea of how to dub a series.
My third title was going to be Death Note, but now that I think about it Fruits Basket (also popular, well, the manga anyway) would fit better.

I mean, geez, one of Shippuuden's ED's IS a direct take on the "what if we instead of ninja, these characters were high-school students". Isn't that just asking for a high school LAM?

Also Bleach, while I hear it leaves most of the living world behind after the first arc (ironically the only arc I've read of it) it does include enough high school to make it work.

Also agree with OP being the next DB. :3
What I especially like about OP is that Oda loves what he's writing, achieves balance, and knows where he's going with the story. X3

Captain-Sora · Post by **Captain-Sora** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:26 am

Ah, Death Note, well that series is ok to me, the anxiety presented in it isn't the childish generic ones, it's at least something that someone would be stressed about such as getting cornered in a battle of wits between groups of people and such.

Anyways, for OP, let's be thankful FUNI's saving it, sure they were lame back in the DBZ days but ever since Yu Yu Hakusho's dub, they rocked and One Piece's funi version looked cool, PLUS they're re-dubbing the first arcs and releasing them uncut which is a major plus.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:28 am

Captain-Sora wrote:Ah, Death Note, well that series is ok to me, the anxiety presented in it isn't the childish generic ones, it's at least something that someone would be stressed about such as getting cornered in a battle of wits between groups of people and such.

Anyways, for OP, let's be thankful FUNI's saving it, sure they were lame back in the DBZ days but ever since Yu Yu Hakusho's dub, they rocked and One Piece's funi version looked cool, PLUS they're re-dubbing the first arcs and releasing them uncut which is a major plus.

I am thankful to Funi for rescuing OP. TTuTT
I really hope they start dubbing the other One Piece movies soon; I want to buy movies 4 and 6 from them SO badly.

Also, the new OP movie that comes out this spring, the one Oda wrote himself, looks REALLY good.

Hey at least I don't have to worry about Hollywood ever making a live action OP movie. :3