Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[EmmaWinters]

Goku becomes skinny when turns SSJ God for no valid reason. Its just Tori's new style taking over.

Goku's thinness was an intended part of SSG's design, not just a style quirk.

[Hellspawn28]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/11/11/po ... 015-movie/
It could be 120 minutes.

Sweet! Sounds pretty long and I wonder how long the director's cut will be if we get one? I hope the long run time won't make the movie feel like that it will drag out for so long.

[JulieYBM]

The movie won't drag if interesting things are happening or are at least framed interestingly. If the layouts and placement of music are good the dialogue scenes should flow very good.

[FortuneSSJ]

Goku becomes skinny when turns SSJ God for no valid reason. Its just Tori's new style taking over.

Goku's thinness was an intended part of SSG's design, not just a style quirk.

Yes it was. Toriyama wanted like that because no valid reason. Just his personal preference nowadays.

[Herms]

Yes it was. Toriyama wanted like that because no valid reason. Just his personal preference nowadays.

It's a unique twist that's never been done with a Super Saiyan transformation before. I think that's a valid enough reason. And really, Toriyama's always relied on the topsy-turvy "little skinny guy is way stronger than big muscular guy" gimmick, so the only actual surprise is that he didn't do it before now. Although it pretty much already was a plot point during the Cell arc, with the super muscular Super Saiyan forms being a dead end and the regular, not-as-muscular Super Saiyan form being the most balanced. A Super Saiyan form that makes Goku less muscular than his normal state is really just the next logical step after that.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes it was. Toriyama wanted like that because no valid reason. Just his personal preference nowadays.

It's a unique twist that's never been done with a Super Saiyan transformation before. I think that's a valid enough reason. And really, Toriyama's always relied on the topsy-turvy "little skinny guy is way stronger than big muscular guy" gimmick, so the only actual surprise is that he didn't do it before now. Although it pretty much already was a plot point during the Cell arc, with the super muscular Super Saiyan forms being a dead end and the regular, not-as-muscular Super Saiyan form being the most balanced. A Super Saiyan form that makes Goku less muscular than his normal state is really just the next logical step after that.

If Toriyama truly followed that gimmick, he wouldn't repeatedly show big muscular guys being ways stronger than little skinny guys. He likes to mix things up.

[Chuquita]

It's also super-cute, but I don't think that was intentional. ( ´ ▽ ` )
I realize that's all subjective though.

I still really really want to see Gokû use it in F though. I want him to learn more about how that power works and get a win out of it. Even ssj3 got a win via movie.

[Low Tone G]

Yes it was. Toriyama wanted like that because no valid reason. Just his personal preference nowadays.

It's a unique twist that's never been done with a Super Saiyan transformation before. I think that's a valid enough reason. And really, Toriyama's always relied on the topsy-turvy "little skinny guy is way stronger than big muscular guy" gimmick, so the only actual surprise is that he didn't do it before now. Although it pretty much already was a plot point during the Cell arc, with the super muscular Super Saiyan forms being a dead end and the regular, not-as-muscular Super Saiyan form being the most balanced. A Super Saiyan form that makes Goku less muscular than his normal state is really just the next logical step after that.

I agree. The more I think of it, the SSJ-God's final design was the best possible choice. The yellow/golden hair colour indeed suggested big power, Goku became bulkier with each 3 SSJ transformations, the SSJ3 had very long hair, and the skin tone was changed to a lighter one, so a skinny, a darker skinned, a short haired and read haired(which suggests even more power than the yellow/golden one) SSJ-God makes a lot more sense to be the next step.

The SSJ4(which intially was the a base for original design for SSj-God) the was also the sort of "bigger body=more power", even though it was somewhat original with the introduction of the red fur and black hair instead of yellow/blonde/golden.

[EmmaWinters]

Goku became bulkier with each 3 SSJ transformations.

Not really, just flashier.

Goku on Namek was huge, but he looked more "normal" once he returned to Earth.
SS2 was very trim in contrast to Grades 2&3. Build-wise, SS3 was basically Goku in base form.

[Low Tone G]

Goku became bulkier with each 3 SSJ transformations.

Not really, just flashier.

Goku on Namek was huge, but he looked more "normal" once he returned to Earth.
SS2 was very trim in contrast to Grades 2&3. Build-wise, SS3 was basically Goku in base form.

That Goku on Namek can be the result of Toriyama's drawing style from the period. Goku's base form in Saiyan and Freeza saga was basically way buliker than the one from the Buu saga. The SSJ2 of course was pretty normal in comparion with those two grades, but it still gave a little muscle increase on the top of SSJ1(in the anime at least).

[Herms]

If Toriyama truly followed that gimmick, he wouldn't repeatedly show big muscular guys being ways stronger than little skinny guys. He likes to mix things up.

I never said he did it all the time, just an awful lot, more than enough for it to count as a consistent theme throughout DB. And he's never applied it to Super Saiyan forms before, so Super Saiyan God being skinner definitely counts as mixing things up in my book.

Goku on Namek was huge, but he looked more "normal" once he returned to Earth.

The other odd thing is that Goku doesn't actually look any more muscular immediately after he first transforms into a Super Saiyan. It's only later on in the battle that he starts looking super-duper buff like that.

[RandomGuy96]

I never said he did it all the time, just an awful lot, more than enough for it to count as a consistent theme throughout DB. And he's never applied it to Super Saiyan forms before, so Super Saiyan God being skinner definitely counts as mixing things up in my book.

I would disagree that it is a consistent theme. We see at least as many examples of a big muscular guy actually being strong and brutally beating the shit out of the smaller guy. It's not so much a theme as something Toriyama just does sometimes, seemingly at random. And it has applied to Super Saiyan forms- you yourself brought up the example of the super buff Super Saiyan Grade III vs the average sized Super Saiyan 2.

[JulieYBM]

The tiny Son Gokuu defeated a fish that was bigger than him in the very first chapter of the original 1984 comic. I think that is evidence enough that Toriyama likes having the small guy be stronger than the big guy.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that is evidence enough that Toriyama likes having the small guy be stronger than the big guy.

If he liked it so much, he wouldn't repeatedly show the big guy wrecking the smaller guy. It happens at least as often as the reverse. Nor he would have the powerful villain be huge. Instead, every villain would follow the Freeza formula, where their strongest form is small and weak looking.

[EmmaWinters]

If he liked it so much, he wouldn't repeatedly show the big guy wrecking the smaller guy. It happens at least as often as the reverse. Nor he would have the powerful villain be huge.

Perfect Cell wasn't really huge, nor was any form of Buu. (except for Mr. Buu, I suppose)
Freeza and Vegeta were very small. Piccolo Daimaō was large, but not really stacked so to speak.

Could you give me a few examples? I genuinely feel like I'm missing something obvious.
Are you referring to form 2 Freeza versus Kuririn/Gohan? That's really the only one I can think of at the moment.

[Avenged]

If he liked it so much, he wouldn't repeatedly show the big guy wrecking the smaller guy. It happens at least as often as the reverse. Nor he would have the powerful villain be huge.

Perfect Cell wasn't really huge, nor was any form of Buu. (except for Mr. Buu, I suppose)
Freeza and Vegeta were very small. Piccolo Daimaō was large, but not really stacked so to speak.

Can you give me a few examples? I genuinely feel like I'm missing something obvious.
Are you referring to form 2 Freeza versus Kuririn/Gohan? That's really the only one I can think of at the moment.

Nappa, Recoome, Super Buu.

[EmmaWinters]

Nappa, yes. That's who I was missing.

Recoome was pretty short-lived, though a valid example I suppose.
Super Buu isn't particularly large.

[Kendamu]

I think that is evidence enough that Toriyama likes having the small guy be stronger than the big guy.

If he liked it so much, he wouldn't repeatedly show the big guy wrecking the smaller guy. It happens at least as often as the reverse. Nor he would have the powerful villain be huge. Instead, every villain would follow the Freeza formula, where their strongest form is small and weak looking.

Because it's sort of a David and Goliath thing: It's cooler when the hero does it. Freeza was the exception to the rule, not the example to be followed. In most other cases it was Goku or Gohan dealing damage to either a physically larger opponent or one that wore unimaginable strength on their sleeve for everyone to see.

[Avenged]

Nappa, yes. That's who I was missing.

Recoome was pretty short-lived, though a valid example I suppose.
Super Buu isn't particularly large.

Well...not sure exactly how tall Gohan is here but

[EmmaWinters]

Gohan is here but

He's tall, but we're talking about muscle mass for the most part, which is why I mentioned Daimaō's height.

Slightly more on-topic:

Recoome

I wonder if the Ginyu Tokusentai will show up in RoF?
When the postcard turned up, I wrote it off as inconclusive & an unlikely scenario, but their brief mention in Freeza's New Year message is making me question why they're being brought up again. It would be strange to bring them up and then ignore them in the final product.