Things that grind your gears

[Bansho64]

I've read the post, and it's a horrible exaggeration. I fail to see how someone will refuse to believe that Goku was nice because his parents were, and yet believe that him hitting his head on a rock almost literally transforms him from a ferocious warrior into a friendly child. No disrespect here, but I'm extremely glad for that retcon.

Because the new reason sounds extremely generic and makes hardly any sense considering that he barely knew them. That's not even putting into consideration the nerf that they did to Bardock's character and the horrible new one that they introduced.

Goku's brain damage causing his whole character to change makes sense and sounds much more unique to my ears rather than giving him a generic set of parents that were inherently good for no reason whatsoever.

The user in question named and disuputed against every flaw and problem that he had with the chapter. How is that an overreaction? Is it because he used extreme wording in certain parts? And even then, I still don't see how that makes it an overreaction.

[8000 Saiyan]

I've read the post, and it's a horrible exaggeration. I fail to see how someone will refuse to believe that Goku was nice because his parents were, and yet believe that him hitting his head on a rock almost literally transforms him from a ferocious warrior into a friendly child. No disrespect here, but I'm extremely glad for that retcon.

The retcon annoys me because it butchers Bardock's character, like what Funimation did in his TV special. Bardock was never a nice Saiyan, he was a cold warrior who eventually realized what Frieza was going to do to the Saiyans.

Minus wasn't necessary to begin with. It just made Goku more like Superman.

[Anime Kitten]

The user in question named and disuputed against every flaw and problem that he had with the chapter. How is that an overreaction? Is it because he used extreme wording in certain parts? And even then, I still don't see how that makes it an overreaction.

Ugh, I can't even bring myself to reread the post because it's so dirty (language wise). The entire thing uses extremely heavy wording to emphasize the author's opinion and make it look like fact. I'd take that Gine any day over "All Saiyans are deadly fighters and there's not a single odd one out, but I guess Goku managed to get lucky." Look, I'm defending something I haven't even read. If you guys want to believe the original "Goku hit his head" story, that's fine, since there isn't an official canon. My headcanon is going with Minus, though, for many of the reasons already mentioned.

[Wizard Sesame]

But in your view, Goku now got even luckier than he would have if he had just hit his head: the Saiyan born to the one odd Saiyan that was nice is the one that gets sent off to an unknown planet and then manages to survive, while many other Saiyans born to blood thirsty parents were sent off planet and did not survive. The coincidences are way too much for your scenario I feel, where if he had just hit his head, gotten hurt, and developed a bond with Gohan during that time that overpowered his heritage, I don't consider that lucky at all.

[TobyS]

It's like super racist to assume all saiyans (or any one race) are innately evil.

I think Toriyama said Bardock was unusual in that he saved comrades from dying, not that he was completely unique.

There was once enough good saiyans to use super saiyan good at the peak time where saiyans were savage thugs.

[Soppa Saia People]

The user in question named and disuputed against every flaw and problem that he had with the chapter. How is that an overreaction? Is it because he used extreme wording in certain parts? And even then, I still don't see how that makes it an overreaction.

Ugh, I can't even bring myself to reread the post because it's so dirty (language wise)

Huh, I don't think I've seen a 14 y/o dislike swearing. But that might be because pretty everyone I know has been swearing since Jr. High

Look, I'm defending something I haven't even read. If you guys want to believe the original "Goku hit his head" story, that's fine, since there isn't an official canon. My headcanon is going with Minus, though, for many of the reasons already mentioned.

Except that it is canon. Minus is the only one that says different , (practically) everything says "Goku was evil, got brain damage and turned gud".
Christ, I'm annoyed by just thinking about Minus

It's like super racist to assume all saiyans (or any one race) are innately evil.

[Nejishiki]

I guess? I feel like they could've just called him Gogeta and then say there's a dance variant and an earring variant for him. I'm pretty sure there's a game that does something like that.

You've asked that before! I still don't recall anything like that.

[ekrolo2]

I guess? I feel like they could've just called him Gogeta and then say there's a dance variant and an earring variant for him. I'm pretty sure there's a game that does something like that.

You've asked that before! I still don't recall anything like that.

I know I did! But I just can't find it anywhere!

[Lek]

I couldn't sleep last night and all the episode 66 discussions got me thinking...
- If all the gods of destructions and kaioshins have been killed in the future timeline, do they get to hang out in the afterlife?
- What does Future Goku (the one who died from the heart virus) think about all the things that are happening on earth, especially when his past/parallel self arrives in the time machine?
- Did anybody ever try to contact Future Trunks via King Kai?

[Nejishiki]

I tend to subscribe towards the interesting theory that gods are reintegrated into the trees that birthed them. It's not really explored anyway. I feel it's safe to say Future Goku and Future North Kaio didn't check on Earth. The latter didn't grant the planet special supervision in the Cell arc and Goku didn't check on Earth until the Tenkaichi Budoukai was scheduled. Time flies when you're dead, I'm sure. I bet the same goes for the rest of the souls. They live and die by "the life". It's important to mind that they are content with fighting by their warrior code. At times, it simply means you die and there's no shame in that.

[floofychan333]

Grievous underappreciation of the Kikuchi score and having many of your opinions relentlessly berated.

[Dbzfan94]

Grievous underappreciation of the Kikuchi score and having many of your opinions relentlessly berated.

Welcome to the life of being a fan of Faulconer and dub voices.

[Bansho64]

Welcome to the life of being a fan of Faulconer and dub voices.

Um, assuming that you're responding mainly to the second part of his post, that's pretty much something that goes or happens to everyone. Fans of the Faulconer and the English dub voices aren't the only ones that get this. This isn't an exception to anyone. Heck, even liking DB in the first place is bound to give you a couple of hecklers and bullies.

[Dbzfan94]

Welcome to the life of being a fan of Faulconer and dub voices.

Um, assuming that you're responding mainly to the second part of his post, that's pretty much something that goes or happens to everyone. Fans of the Faulconer and the English dub voices aren't the only ones that get this. This isn't an exception to anyone.

I know. Was just pointing that out as a little nod of him saying Kikuchi is under appreciated (when he's really not especially here)

[Bansho64]

I know. Was just pointing that out as a little nod of him saying Kikuchi is under appreciated (when he's really not especially here)

Oh, I gotcha.

But, I gotta disagree with that last statement. Outside of Kanzenshuu, Kikuchi's been beaten, fired up, and left in ashes. I'd definitely say he hasn't gotten enough appreciation in the English fanbase.

[floofychan333]

Grievous underappreciation of the Kikuchi score and having many of your opinions relentlessly berated.

Welcome to the life of being a fan of Faulconer and dub voices.

I like the dub too, but I also like the original voices though I prefer the English voices because they sound more natural to my Anglophone ears.

[nite_jay]

Overabundance of the misuse of the word "lazy".

[VDenter]

When people refuse to acknowledge or accept that DB as a series has always been primary a kids show/manga.

You can see this the most when people use it as a criticism of DB Super. Its like yeah DB was always aimed at kids even during its most serious arcs and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Alruneia]

When people refuse to acknowledge or accept that DB as a series has always been primary a kids show/manga.

You can see this the most when people use it as a criticism of DB Super. Its like yeah DB was always aimed at kids even during its most serious arcs and there is nothing wrong with that.

And the other side of the coin:
When people ignore the flaws Super (or Ball, Z or GT) has with the excuse that it's a kids' show. You can see this pop up as a defence when someone criticises Super for having inconsistencies or bad storytelling. Being aimed at kids doesn't mean you should be able to get away with sub-par writing.

[Bansho64]

And the other side of the coin:
When people ignore the flaws Super (or Ball, Z or GT) has with the excuse that it's a kids' show. You can see this pop up as a defence when someone criticises Super for having inconsistencies or bad storytelling. Being aimed at kids doesn't mean you should be able to get away with sub-par writing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think my sig is a pretty good example of why this is a problem. Dbzfan7 put it in great detail.