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Cold Skin wrote:The Pilaf Gang was likely necessary anyway if they want to show Trunks-Mai interactions, leading to funny and/or cute scenes (depending on if they're still together or had a "kid break-up").
That being said, it will probably push both Goten and Trunks on their "dating all the time" way of life in the epilogue. They like competition, and Trunks started it.
Hmm, I really want to see their design to see if they had their sudden growth burst like Goku and Gohan before them.
Regardless, their new designs should be interesting either way.
Note that a change in Goten and Trunks' appearances (other than just their clothes) might slightly change Gotenks' appearance as well.
Yes any change in Trunks, Goten and overall Gotenks highly interests me.
They almost ruined the BoG movie for almost everyone, myself included. This is exactly why some people are telling Toriyama to go into pasture. I never liked his gag jokes, but now none of his gag jokes appeal to anyone except a few people. Has Toriyama gone THAT soft to not have a semi-dark atmosphere like the earlier sagas(prior to Buu) and movies, ESPECIALLY WHEN FREEZA IS AROUND!?
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
I think some of you are overreacting to this news. The film is still stated to have a darker atmosphere than BOG did, but let's not kid ourselves here - it's not going to be History of Trunks, or beyond that, most likely. Even at his darkest, Toriyama always has a sense of humor around, so there's still going to be humor in this movie: and that's likely where the Pilaf gang comes in. This doesn't automatically mean that they're going to dominate the screentime and suddenly make the movie less dark at it's dark moments.
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Valerius Dover wrote:Where does all this hate for the Pilaf Gang come from? I thought they were generally well-liked characters who were missed in Z.
Does anyone else besides me really like the trio?
This is true however there will always be people with differing views when it comes to anything. I enjoy the pilaf gang as you do and as many others do.
Valerius Dover wrote:Where does all this hate for the Pilaf Gang come from? I thought they were generally well-liked characters who were missed in Z.
A lot of people think Dragon Ball = Serious business, Violence and Blood.
Some people just care about DBZ not DB.
Pilaf trio not being the most interesting characters don't help either.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
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I don't really see Dragon Ball as overly serious. It's lighthearted with dark elements, the kind of stuff I'm into. They're the first villains of the franchise, which is pretty significant. The thought that there were people who saw this movie that legitimately had no idea who they are saddens me.
Well if I had to choose between Pilaf Gang or Lunch, it would be Lunch all the way.
Unlike them, she was part of the gang. The woman appears in Kai ending 1 but doesn't even appear in Kai episodes.
Her sneezes can easily make some comedy. Always did.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
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Valerius Dover wrote:I don't really see Dragon Ball as overly serious. It's lighthearted with dark elements, the kind of stuff I'm into. They're the first villains of the franchise, which is pretty significant. The thought that there were people who saw this movie that legitimately had no idea who they are saddens me.
I agree that people should know the wrath of emperor pilaf and his gang! lol it is sad when people don't know them.
Valerius Dover wrote:Where does all this hate for the Pilaf Gang come from? I thought they were generally well-liked characters who were missed in Z.
A lot of people think Dragon Ball = Serious business, Violence and Blood.
Some people just care about DBZ not DB.
Pilaf trio not being the most interesting characters don't help either.
I adore the Pilag gang but my (and I think a lot of others') concerns stem from the fact this is a Freeza story. His character and his arc is arguably one of the darkest and most menacing in the series. I think we're just hoping their inclusion is for minimal comic relief in the opening and doesn't dampen the significance of Freeza's return in the long run.
There's probably nothing to worry about. I'm excited to see them on the screen again but I can't help but be just a little scared that they'll cheapen the experience. If Freeza is being brought back, it needs to have the same hard-hitting stuff as his original arc did. I have no interest in seeing that drama destroyed by a necessity to add humour to everything.
Again, we already know it's going to be a more serious story so, while I'm a bit hesitant, there's definitely no need to be crying about their inclusion as though it's end of the damn world.
Maybe some people just want DEEBEEZEEEEEE! UGGGGGGGGGGGH CEREAL BUSINESS! SOMEONE DIE DAMMIT!
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Maybe some people just want DEEBEEZEEEEEE! UGGGGGGGGGGGH CEREAL BUSINESS! SOMEONE DIE DAMMIT!
What do you mean by that? I actually after a second read almost understand your nonsense lol.
When you use the term "DEEBEEZEE", you mock people who treat the whole show as serious business when it's not (Most commonly dubbies). Using the word Cereal is referencing South Park's Al Gore and you'd have to see him to truly get that. Someone die is poking at the people who say there's hardly no threat anymore like in Battle of Gods as no one died and no one's life seemed threatened, when they were. So to them the true DBZ expereince is everything always being serious, fuck any sense of gags or humour, and people need to be in pain or dying to get the real threat rolling.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Maybe some people just want DEEBEEZEEEEEE! UGGGGGGGGGGGH CEREAL BUSINESS! SOMEONE DIE DAMMIT!
What do you mean by that? I actually after a second read almost understand your nonsense lol.
When you use the term "DEEBEEZEE", you mock people who treat the whole show as serious business when it's not (Most commonly dubbies). Using the word Cereal is referencing South Park's Al Gore and you'd have to see him to truly get that. Someone die is poking at the people who say there's hardly no threat anymore like in Battle of Gods as no one died and no one's life seemed threatened, when they were. So to them the true DBZ expereince is everything always being serious, fuck any sense of gags or humour, and people need to be in pain or dying to get the real threat rolling.
Oh my gosh
Why do people have to make it super cereal?
Screw this, I'm gonna go find manbearpig
DB AWAY............
dbzfan7 wrote:Maybe some people just want DEEBEEZEEEEEE! UGGGGGGGGGGGH CEREAL BUSINESS! SOMEONE DIE DAMMIT!
What do you mean by that? I actually after a second read almost understand your nonsense lol.
When you use the term "DEEBEEZEE", you mock people who treat the whole show as serious business when it's not (Most commonly dubbies). Using the word Cereal is referencing South Park's Al Gore and you'd have to see him to truly get that. Someone die is poking at the people who say there's hardly no threat anymore like in Battle of Gods as no one died and no one's life seemed threatened, when they were. So to them the true DBZ expereince is everything always being serious, fuck any sense of gags or humour, and people need to be in pain or dying to get the real threat rolling.
Yeah I got it the second read around but I agree with you as you've probably read that the original dragon ball and humor is a big component and that people have only been exposed to z as you are pointing out have a more narrow scope and perspective. (Although there is some z humor) But you get the point.
Valerius Dover wrote:Where does all this hate for the Pilaf Gang come from?
They have tons of screen time despite not being funny.
If Freeza is being brought back, it needs to have the same hard-hitting stuff as his original arc did. I have no interest in seeing that drama destroyed by a necessity to add humour to everything.
I have no problem with the general idea of comic relief in this movie. Freeza is a very silly man, with a very silly name, and is the main antagonist of a very silly arc.
Were Yajirobe or Karin in BoG? Can't remember?
They couldn't put Yajirobe in, because then he would just chop up and eat Beerus, and then ignore Whis' pleas for mercy and fucking eat him too. The only reason Mr. Satan got to be in BOG is because he's compassionate and never uses his full power unless absolutely necessary. Yajirobe has no such characteristics.
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dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.