Unpopular DB opinions

[Ringworm128]

Nathan Johnson outshines Shunsuke Kikuchi for Movie 12's soundtrack.

This. My favorite placement is http://youtu.be/5yNlPL9unj0?t=1m12s

[DBZAOTA482]

- Vegeta vs. 18 is one of the best underrated fights. I like how 18 deceived Vegeta into himself, and I think even Vegeta fans (like myself) should see it.
- 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc isn't as great as people say it is (at least among older fans). 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is where it's truly at.
- Majin Boo is a good villain...but he started to bore me when they randomly gave him the ability to absorb people.

[Gonstead]

Nathan Johnson outshines Shunsuke Kikuchi for Movie 12's soundtrack.

This. My favorite placement is http://youtu.be/5yNlPL9unj0?t=1m12s

This is one of my favorites - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY2IBPzJhI

[Godo]

- Vegeta vs. 18 is one of the best underrated fights. I like how 18 deceived Vegeta into himself, and I think even Vegeta fans (like myself) should see it.
- 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc isn't as great as people say it is (at least among older fans). 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is where it's truly at.
- Majin Boo is a good villain...but he started to bore me when they randomly gave him the ability to absorb people.

I'd say that the Tenkaichi Budokai arcs are golden when viewed together! It is the journey of the characters, from being pretty much amateurs to being honed and skilled fighters.
Especially the growth of Kuririn is what impresses me the most; from being scared of fighting his former associates from his temple, to going head to head with Piccolo Jr., whom he knew was dangerous and when he knew he most probably would be defeated.
Of course, the Piccolo Daimao arc is good in itself (the first really dark arc), but in my opinion it is a mere opening act to the 23 rd Tenkaichi arc, an all- on fighting spectacular, where we see the fighters at their best as martial artists. The last one time where Earth is the focus.
And it is not all that surprising that the series proceeded to Space, when we have seen the characters grown to unnatural levels.

In my opinion the 23rd Tenkaichi arc is the most exciting, since the levels are so high, and the rules no longer protect the fighters. Piccolo Jr. Is a ticking bomb, and you never know when he is going to blow.
In my opinion that's why I prefer the arc. Not by some hindsight opinion, but by my initial reaction to the process.

And yeah, I too enjoyed the whole 18 vs. Vegeta fight a lot.

And about the villains;

Piccolo could regenerate himself.
Freeza could regererate himself and become stronger by transforming.
Cell could regenerate and become stronger by absorbing.
Buu could regenerate, become stronger by absorbing, use magic, and also take a lot of hits due to his rubbery nature.

The more the series lapsed, the more bored I became with the villains' abilities. It was pretty much a rehash and an addition of a new ability.

The same would go with the transformations.

Kaio-ken was cool, since it had drawbacks and couldn't be abused.
Initially the Super Saiyajin was cool since it couldn't be controlled. And then other characters became super Saiyajins. But fine, it is all right, since the Ssj is lowered in status when the Cyborgs start to run amok. It's always nice when a Legendary form is set into a pathetic "it's really not worth much" status and pretty much given to any Saiyajin as a bargain deal.
Then we have Ssj 2. And then Ssj 3. And then Ssj 4. And now some fans want Ssj 5 and Ssj 6. It all became about the forms.

Well, I guess that I included some more of my opinions there.

And I also believe that Yamcha was indeed strong and a competent fighter, but that he suffered from bad luck and also a bit of inattentiveness. But maybe that is not really an unpopular opinion.

[DBZAOTA482]

- Vegeta vs. 18 is one of the best underrated fights. I like how 18 deceived Vegeta into himself, and I think even Vegeta fans (like myself) should see it.
- 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc isn't as great as people say it is (at least among older fans). 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is where it's truly at.
- Majin Boo is a good villain...but he started to bore me when they randomly gave him the ability to absorb people.

I'd say that the Tenkaichi Budokai arcs are golden when viewed together! It is the journey of the characters, from being pretty much amateurs to being honed and skilled fighters.
Especially the growth of Kuririn is what impresses me the most; from being scared of fighting his former associates from his temple, to going head to head with Piccolo Jr., whom he knew was dangerous and when he knew he most probably would be defeated.
Of course, the Piccolo Daimao arc is good in itself (the first really dark arc), but in my opinion it is a mere opening act to the 23 rd Tenkaichi arc, an all- on fighting spectacular, where we see the fighters at their best as martial artists. The last one time where Earth is the focus.
And it is not all that surprising that the series proceeded to Space, when we have seen the characters grown to unnatural levels.

In my opinion the 23rd Tenkaichi arc is the most exciting, since the levels are so high, and the rules no longer protect the fighters. Piccolo Jr. Is a ticking bomb, and you never know when he is going to blow.
In my opinion that's why I prefer the arc. Not by some hindsight opinion, but by my initial reaction to the process.

And yeah, I too enjoyed the whole 18 vs. Vegeta fight a lot.

And about the villains;

Piccolo could regenerate himself.
Freeza could regererate himself and become stronger by transforming.
Cell could regenerate and become stronger by absorbing.
Buu could regenerate, become stronger by absorbing, use magic, and also take a lot of hits due to his rubbery nature.

The more the series lapsed, the more bored I became with the villains' abilities. It was pretty much a rehash and an addition of a new ability.

The same would go with the transformations.

Kaio-ken was cool, since it had drawbacks and couldn't be abused.
Initially the Super Saiyajin was cool since it couldn't be controlled. And then other characters became super Saiyajins. But fine, it is all right, since the Ssj is lowered in status when the Cyborgs start to run amok. It's always nice when a Legendary form is set into a pathetic "it's really not worth much" status and pretty much given to any Saiyajin as a bargain deal.
Then we have Ssj 2. And then Ssj 3. And then Ssj 4. And now some fans want Ssj 5 and Ssj 6. It all became about the forms.

Well, I guess that I included some more of my opinions there.

And I also believe that Yamcha was indeed strong and a competent fighter, but that he suffered from bad luck and also a bit of inattentiveness. But maybe that is not really an unpopular opinion.

I know, bro.

I liked the 22nd one better because it's the only time Yamcha ever looked legitimately cool instead of being Toriyama-sensei's perpetual punching-bag, less-cowardly Kuririn, Goku vs. Tenshinhan, and Ten's character development.

Here's more:

- Majin Boo Saga is the overall best in terms of art/animation quality in the anime titles whereas in the manga, it's at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[andrewtuell1991]

I'm pretty sure this counts as an unpopular opinion:

I think the Pioneer movie trilogy is overrated. I can understand why it was appealing at the time, but it hasn't aged well. The Hanna-Barbera-esque sound effects really ruin a lot of moments, and the voice acting isn't that much better than the Funi/Saban dub.

Kelamis's Goku still has that surfer-dude thing going on, McNeil's Piccolo still sounds like he's watched too many Clint Eastwood movies, Klassen's Kuririn is just as over-the-top gooberish as ever, Henderson's Gohan's rasp is just as annoying as Nadolny's and she still can't do a battle yell to save her life, and whoever did Roshi (I've read Don Brown and Dave Ward on different sources) made him sound like he had dementia.

As for the villains, the only one I liked was Paul Dobson's Wheelo. Hearing Don Brown's Pilaf/Jaken voice coming out of Garlic Jr. sounded off and as for Ted Cole's Tullece... it wasn't bad, but my opinion is that whoever voices Goku, in this case Kelamis, should also voice Tullece. The entire premise of Tullece is "what if Goku never bumped his head" so if you don't give Goku and Tullece the same voice isn't that defeating the point? But I will say that Cole's Tullece voice, with a few adjustments, would be a better voice for Vegeta than Brian Drummond, another Ocean Group voice I've always though was awful and overrated.

All and all, it wasn't a terri-bad dub like the Funi/Saban and Westwood dubs were, but I don't think it's the holy grail of DB English voice-acting like a lot people think it is. I'd give it a solid B.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I don't remember a lot about the Ocean dubbed movies, but for the most part I'd probably agree with you on that one actually, andrew - though my opinion is colored greatly by the fact that those were the 'other' voices for me, rather than FUNi.

I did want to point this one out however -

As for the villains, the only one I liked was Paul Dobson's Wheelo.

I agree completely on this one, on liking Dobson's Wheelo. For some reason, I still prefer his over R. Bruce Elliot in FUNi's eventual re-dub. There's just something more authentic about his performance there.

[Ringworm128]

I prefer the Sean Schemmel version of Dragon Soul over the Vic Mignogna version.

[penguintruth]

I don't think it's the holy grail of DB English voice-acting like a lot people think it is. I'd give it a solid B.

A solid B is the best any DB-related English dubs ever did before Kai. Hell, even with Kai.

[Ringworm128]

Even though I think the uncut Ocean dubs of Movies 1-3 are overall better Funimation has the better voices for Garlic Jr, Dr Uiro and Tullece IMO.

[penguintruth]

Psh, no way. Ocean's Garlic Junior is way better. A lot more power.

[Ringworm128]

Power? I never heard any "power" in his performance. To me he had more of weasely feel with a bit of wickeness thrown in but never any "power".

[Gonstead]

Psh, no way. Ocean's Garlic Junior is way better. A lot more power.

I dunno, to me it sounded more like Don Brown's Kaio if he were evil.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Psh, no way. Ocean's Garlic Junior is way better. A lot more power.

I dunno, to me it sounded more like Don Brown's Kaio if he were evil.

THAT'S why Garlic Jr. in the Ocean version always sounded so familiar to me. Well that's one more mystery to cross off my list.

I like Chuck Huber's Garlic Jr. better myself, but...I dunno. I'm not 100% on his performance either. It's too much like Pilaf, where I much prefer him anyway.

[CaBrPi]

Personally, I'd really like to hear Greg Ayres as Pilaf, even if just as a test. When I started watching Dragon Ball in Japanese, I immediately thought of him after hearing Pilaf's Japanese voice actor.

But I like Chuck Huber as Pilaf too, so I'm good with it as it is.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Same here, Greg Ayres is a dead-on match for Chiba's Pilaf. So I'd love to hear him play the role. At the same time though, I'd hate to have Huber, who I feel is already great at the role, lose it simply for this either. It's complicated for me.

[dbzfan7]

I like the new animation. a lot of people hate it and I agree the fights seemed dumbed down compared to Z/Kai. EOB had the worst when he was using a grappling style on Chilled for some reason.

[Ringworm128]

I don't want Greg Ayers as Pilaf. Chuck Huber's hilarious performance is not worth replacing just to have the novelty of having a voice that sounds like the Japanese version. However if Chuck Huber was unable to return Greg Ayers would be my first choice.

[penguintruth]

Psh, no way. Ocean's Garlic Junior is way better. A lot more power.

I dunno, to me it sounded more like Don Brown's Kaio if he were evil.

Aaaaaaand now you've ruined it for me.

(I like it better than his Kaio, though.)

[Ringworm128]

So if the Makaios are ever shown should Don Brown just use his Garlic Jr voice for North Makaio if an Ocean dub happened?