Unpopular DB opinions

[The gr]

Chi-Chi is an abysmal mother whose love of Gohan clouds her judgement, she's consistently showed to be in the wrong in the Saiyan arc.

I don't see that as an unpopular opinion since everyone in the fandom hates her

I like ChiChi.

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

[Gog]

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

I don't hate her for 'ruining' Gohan, I absolutely despise her personality, her lack of care for Goku, Piccolo, and even the Earth itself. I hate her for her over the top, and angry attitude, I hate her for when Gohan finally stood up to her she freaked out and panicked. And I also consider her to be a great character for the role she fills, and how well she fills it. We're supposed to not like Chi-Chi the narrative paints her in a bad light.

[ABED]

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

I don't hate her for 'ruining' Gohan, I absolutely despise her personality, her lack of care for Goku, Piccolo, and even the Earth itself. I hate her for her over the top, and angry attitude, I hate her for when Gohan finally stood up to her she freaked out and panicked. And I also consider her to be a great character for the role she fills, and how well she fills it. We're supposed to not like Chi-Chi the narrative paints her in a bad light.

I understand your point, but the way it's executed, I still can't stand her. She becomes better by the Buu arc, though. However, even knowing where she ends up doesn't make the earlier parts any more palatable.

[ekrolo2]

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

I don't hate her for 'ruining' Gohan, I absolutely despise her personality, her lack of care for Goku, Piccolo, and even the Earth itself. I hate her for her over the top, and angry attitude, I hate her for when Gohan finally stood up to her she freaked out and panicked. And I also consider her to be a great character for the role she fills, and how well she fills it. We're supposed to not like Chi-Chi the narrative paints her in a bad light.

I understand your point, but the way it's executed, I still can't stand her. She becomes better by the Buu arc, though. However, even knowing where she ends up doesn't make the earlier parts any more palatable.

Supers gonna give you flashbacks to her earlier days when you get around to it.

[Noah]

And Paragus is one of the best characters in the series.

Of all series? I mean, really? Why?

[Dbzfan94]

I'm serious.

I'll pray for you this night, mate.

A character who is proud of himself and shows all the strength he has, only to wind up dead trying to fight for his friends..?

But there's no build! If you only watched DBZ you just see him as plot character that died only to show how dangerous the Saibamen are. You don't sympathize a lot with his death as Krillin did, because Yamcha was an important back in DB, a recurring character, valuable member of the cast. There was a lot of stakes for the battle against the Saiyans, but you wouldn't expect him to die so soon. That why this arc was so good and its even better with the build of the past arcs, because all the deaths were not meaningless.

And people cry if they see an animal die, even if no attachment to the animal, or if they haven't ever even met the animal. Similar thing. It's a situational thing and it's the instance it was relevant to. Why are you questioning a humans emotions? Let it be.

I think he's just questioning why you didn't start her off with the original DB

[DrakenballP]

I'll pray for you this night, mate.



But there's no build! If you only watched DBZ you just see him as plot character that died only to show how dangerous the Saibamen are. You don't sympathize a lot with his death as Krillin did, because Yamcha was an important back in DB, a recurring character, valuable member of the cast. There was a lot of stakes for the battle against the Saiyans, but you wouldn't expect him to die so soon. That why this arc was so good and its even better with the build of the past arcs, because all the deaths were not meaningless.

And people cry if they see an animal die, even if no attachment to the animal, or if they haven't ever even met the animal. Similar thing. It's a situational thing and it's the instance it was relevant to. Why are you questioning a humans emotions? Let it be.

I think he's just questioning why you didn't start her off with the original DB

I tried to do that. She had no interest in it. We finished about 16 episodes and she didn't really want to continue, sadly.

[ABED]

But there is an attachment to animals. They are innocent creatures. We're told Piccolo was evil, but we don't see anything that shows us how evil he was, so his arc means little.

[Soppa Saia People]

I don't see that as an unpopular opinion since everyone in the fandom hates her

I like ChiChi.

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

YouTube comments don't really represent anything.

[Doctor.]

And Paragus is one of the best characters in the series.

Of all series? I mean, really? Why?

I'll quote myself from another thread:

He has an actually relatable motivation and backstory, he's the closest we'll ever get to a "good person turned bad" (I'm aware he was still a Saiyan, so basically a genocidal cunt, hence "closest"), he isn't even that bad of a father for Saiyan standards and he completely broke down Vegeta with his schemes in a way only Freeza had ever surpassed.

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't see that as an unpopular opinion since everyone in the fandom hates her

I like ChiChi.

That's cool, but I'm referring to the other part of the fandom, we're they hate chichi because apparently she ruined Gohan, these comment are more common in yt

YouTube community is cancerous as hell, man. A lot of those people's comments don't hold much weight.

I don't hate her for 'ruining' Gohan, I absolutely despise her personality, her lack of care for Goku, Piccolo, and even the Earth itself. I hate her for her over the top, and angry attitude, I hate her for when Gohan finally stood up to her she freaked out and panicked. And I also consider her to be a great character for the role she fills, and how well she fills it. We're supposed to not like Chi-Chi the narrative paints her in a bad light.

So you're saying we're meant to hate a mother for being (understandably) upset that her son wants to leave her again for 2 months, after being kidnapped for a year by Satan and not knowing what he was going through for an entire year, to go to a distant planet just so he can revive said Satan?

I also bet you must really hate Bulma and especially Vegeta (who's the definition of a rageaholic) who have acted even more over-the-top and angry throughout series.

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[Gog]

So you're saying we're meant to hate a mother for being (understandably) upset that her son wants to leave her again for 2 months, after being kidnapped for a year by Satan and not knowing what he was going through for an entire year, to go to a distant planet just so he can revive said Satan?

I also bet you must really hate Bulma and especially Vegeta (who's the definition of a rageaholic) who have acted even more over-the-top and angry throughout series.

I should have specified I'm referring to the Saiyan Saga. Where she showed a complete and utter lack of care for everyone but Gohan. Goku lying on the ground with his legs broken? Nah, doesn't need any love, doesn't even acknowledge his existence. The Earth? Who cares, who cares about Piccolo. Who cares about the fact her Son just saved the Earth, and wants to go and help resurrect other good people. He needs to study.

Nah, I don't hate Bulma considering she actually showed real human emotion at the death of Yamcha. And I don't hate Vegeta considering the narrative kicks him to the curb roughly once a week, and he does get great character development.

[DBZAOTA482]

So you're saying we're meant to hate a mother for being (understandably) upset that her son wants to leave her again for 2 months, after being kidnapped for a year by Satan and not knowing what he was going through for an entire year, to go to a distant planet just so he can revive said Satan?

I also bet you must really hate Bulma and especially Vegeta (who's the definition of a rageaholic) who have acted even more over-the-top and angry throughout series.

I should have specified I'm referring to the Saiyan Saga.

I know exactly what you're speaking on. I specifically addressed it especially a moment from the very end of the Saiyan Saga (or rather, the Namek Saga) in my post.

And why should she care about Piccolo at that point... other than the fact he's essentially the Earth Dragon Balls?

[Cure Dragon 255]

Now that I think about it, both Bulma and Chichi still hated Piccolo...and they entirely justified by how they feel. Only Gohan got to see for himself that he changed and that he's a good guy. For all Chichi and Bulma knew Piccolo could kill them all in cold blood as soon as the matters got settled.

(I include Bulma because she wanted to leave Piccolo to die on the Exploding Namek. I hated her for it until I thought about it some more.)

[Gog]

I know exactly what you're speaking on. I specifically addressed it especially a moment from the very end of the Saiyan Saga (or rather, the Namek Saga) in my post.

And why should she care about Piccolo at that point... other than the fact he's essentially the Earth Dragon Balls?

So you're saying we're meant to hate a mother for being (understandably) upset that her son wants to leave her again for 2 months, after being kidnapped for a year by Satan and not knowing what he was going through for an entire year, to go to a distant planet just so he can revive said Satan?

You never actually addressed that point in your first point though.

Because of her son's respect and admiration of him? Because Satan gave up his life for her son? Even then you haven't counted her lack of care for the Earth, Goku, and any of the other fighters.

[DBZAOTA482]

I know exactly what you're speaking on. I specifically addressed it especially a moment from the very end of the Saiyan Saga (or rather, the Namek Saga) in my post.

And why should she care about Piccolo at that point... other than the fact he's essentially the Earth Dragon Balls?

So you're saying we're meant to hate a mother for being (understandably) upset that her son wants to leave her again for 2 months, after being kidnapped for a year by Satan and not knowing what he was going through for an entire year, to go to a distant planet just so he can revive said Satan?

You never actually addressed that point in your first point though.

Because of her son's respect and admiration of him? Because Satan gave up his life for her son? Even then you haven't counted her lack of care for the Earth, Goku, and any of the other fighters.

I addressed everything you said in that one post. Do you want me to give an extended version.

Her husband was killed and her 4-year-old son kidnapped by Satan... leaving her not knowing what her 4 year old son was going through for an entire year (damn) and the next she sees of him, he's on the battlefield with her husband's hardened warrior friends with the TV stations and Baba's crystal ball constantly breaking down. After that was done she find him all of a sudden naked, bloodily-battered, conscious but when the boy recovers in the hospital he wants to join Krillin and Bulma to travel to a distant planet for 2 months (in top of the whole year he was kidnapped) just so he can revive Satan. The boy felt his heart was to his task as the Z-Warriors died protecting Earth so he must be the one to bring back Piccolo and he has the strength to at least make some difference... a fact she concedes with.

I'd say Chi-Chi definitely wasn't meant to be hated during the Saiyan Saga. I don't even think she was even meant to be taken seriously for the most parts. Either you find it funny or not.

BTW nobody except those with first-hand experience even knew Piccolo was dead. And ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

[Gog]

I addressed everything you said in that one post. Do you want me to give an extended version.

You really didn't it was only during the second post that you apparently replied to my points.

Her husband was killed and her 4-year-old son kidnapped by Satan... leaving her not knowing what her 4 year old son was going through for an entire year (damn) and the next she sees of him, he's on the battlefield with her husband's hardened warrior friends with the TV stations and Baba's crystal ball constantly breaking down. After that was done she find him all of a sudden naked, bloodily-battered, conscious but when the boy recovers in the hospital he wants to join Krillin and Bulma to travel to a distant planet for 2 months (in top of the whole year he was kidnapped) just so he can revive Satan. The boy felt his heart was to his task as the Z-Warriors died protecting Earth so he must be the one to bring back Piccolo and he has the strength to at least make some difference... a fact she concedes with.

And? I'll state it once more, her complete lack of concern for anybody but Gohan is completely disgusting in the Saiyan Saga. She doesn't give a rats ass about all of the fighters who gave up their lives to save the Earth, not even a single panel of sadness, she never gives a single sly fuck about the near dead condition of her husband - A fact of which Yajirobe acknowledges - Chi-Chi couldn't care less about the fact Piccolo saved her son, she couldn't care less about the fact her Son was hell bent on going to Namek, and that he wasn't a weakling anymore. And she never once accepted the idea of Gohan going to Namek being a good idea, what really happened is Chi-Chi after freaking out tells Gohan "I won't allow it. I absolutely forbid it!!" In refrence to him wanting to go to Namek, and following it up with.

"Who cares about Piccolo?!" And "You're a little kid!! You should act like one!!" Followed by Gohan shouting at her to be quiet.

And after that she's in shock, and thinks to herself that her son is now a delinquent. She never once concedes with Gohan going to Namek once. And Gohan overcoming this is portrayed as a good thing as well.

I'd say Chi-Chi definitely wasn't meant to be hated during the Saiyan Saga. I don't even think she was even meant to be taken seriously for the most parts. Either you find it funny or not.

BTW nobody except those with first-hand experience even knew Piccolo was dead. And ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Considering the light she was consistently portrayed in. The fact that Gohan was meant to overcome her, and it was considered to be a great moment for her character. Yajirobe's comment on can I hit her, she's not meant to be set up in a good light for the Saiyan Saga. She's meant to be unreasonable here, and she was a serious element of the arc as well.

And, it should have been obvious considering that they were going to Namek to revive their friends. And really Stockholm Syndrome? Considering the fact that Gohan and Piccolo continued to train with one and another with Gohan himself gaining a respect for Piccolo, and Piccolo himself being corrupted by Gohan's goodness I wouldn't chalk it up to something like that.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I get the feeling you've never had to play the role of guardian to a child before, Gog. There's a prioritization that outweighs everything else when you have that type of bond, and overprotective tendencies kinda come with that package. It's nothing less than basic parental instincts. You're still young enough that you probably haven't had a relatable experience yet, so your point of view is understandable, but as my grandfather says, "It's an awfully thin pancake that only has one side", or something to that effect. That's always worth remembering.

[Gog]

I get the feeling you've never had to play the role of guardian to a child before, Gog. There's a prioritization that outweighs everything else when you have that type of bond, and overprotective tendencies kinda come with that package. It's nothing less than basic parental instincts. You're still young enough that you probably haven't had a relatable experience yet, so your point of view is understandable, but as my grandfather says, "It's an awfully thin pancake that only has one side", or something to that effect. That's always worth remembering.

Nah, my problem with Chi-Chi's behavior in the Saiyan Saga isn't that she's over protective of Gohan. She's a good parent at the end of the day, and I would be a complete fool to say that she's not a good parent. My real problem with Chi-Chi at the end of the day stems entirely from the near end of the Saiyan Saga, and the start of the Namek Saga were she shows a complete lack of care for everyone, her husband - Which once again I do like how Yajirobe pointed that out - all of the fighters, and even the Earth itself. And even then she's not meant to be likeable in the Saiyan Saga, and at the start of the Namek Saga as well.

Which is why I also like her as well, she has a role to fill in as a character, and she fills it well.

[Bansho64]

I get the feeling you've never had to play the role of guardian to a child before, Gog. There's a prioritization that outweighs everything else when you have that type of bond, and overprotective tendencies kinda come with that package. It's nothing less than basic parental instincts. You're still young enough that you probably haven't had a relatable experience yet, so your point of view is understandable, but as my grandfather says, "It's an awfully thin pancake that only has one side", or something to that effect. That's always worth remembering.

Agreed. When you have a child, most of the time, there's a certain tether there that I think is being overlooked tremendously. I mean, that's Chi-Chi's four year old out there. Although that crap with Goku at the end pisses me off a little bit, I don't blame her for most of how she acts there. Her baby almost got murdered by a ferocious pair of homicidal space aliens. That in itself should explain a lot.