How strong did the humans get?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'd place Tenshinhan(having weird alien ancestry can account for bigger training gains

Nothing says Tenshinhan's alien ancestry is as good as Saiyan or Warrior Namek blood.

Exactly. Even if his alien ancestors were warriors that could be in the same league as the Saiyans or Namekians, we don't know how much of that blood Tenshinhan actually has in him. Their genes may not work as well when creating hybrids like Saiyans, who seem to get stronger the more the blood is diluted.

[lash]

I'd place Tenshinhan(having weird alien ancestry can account for bigger training gains

Nothing says Tenshinhan's alien ancestry is as good as Saiyan or Warrior Namek blood.

Sure.
Just as nothing says it isn't as good, if not already better then a Saiyan or Namek.

Exactly. Even if his alien ancestors were warriors that could be in the same league as the Saiyans or Namekians, we don't know how much of that blood Tenshinhan actually has in him. Their genes may not work as well when creating hybrids like Saiyans, who seem to get stronger the more the blood is diluted.

Sure.
But then what if their genes do work better than Saiya-jin in creating hybrids?


Do you guys get it? You're making as much assumptions on the matter as I am on an open ended viewpoint. Alien ancestry is alien ancestry. That knowledge alone can be warped to anyone's liking. One could even use it to make a case for his Shin Kikoho.

[Rocketman]

Sure.
Just as nothing says it isn't as good, if not already better then a Saiyan or Namek.

Except the Saiyans and Namek leaving him far, far behind.

[lash]

It's not Tenshinhan's fault Toriyama never let him fuse 2 times or get several near death powerups or obtain a super legendary alien transformation.

[p123]

Exactly my point Uzuni, you as well as others seem to think humans could never surpass 1st form Freeza.

AT never suggest Freeza to be this standard hard line power that regular people couldn't surpass. Instead he is suggested that in the Freeza Saga, and going by AT he generally just has heroes surpass previous villians all of the time. He certainly has never shown any regard for the characters he spent all of that time building up.


I mean if 19/20 can be in Freeza's range, like what the hell? An old man and a doll, really?

IMO AT never cared about who was surpassed, so that shouldn't be a factor in the matter IMO.


And I think one of the quotes implys that the continous powerup was still continously working...



Fox666

Vegeta literally says Gohan/Krillens' BATTLE POWER WAS STEADILY RISING.. I mean it doesn't get any more legit than that dude.



No one thinks Nazi Cola is offensive? Hmm, might just be me then...Awkward...

[Senzu_Bean]

There aren't many ways to determinate how strong the Earthlings are and trying to make sense of training regimes definitely isn't one.

[p123]

Agreed. Any character in DB increasing ridicolous is merely a plot device. It was all a dream. All of the Z senshi were killed against Raditz and Dabura continued to rule the universe forever. Lol.

[Fox666]

Agreed. Any character in DB increasing ridicolous is merely a plot device.

So what that proves? That since Goku incresed his power in 10,000 times during the Namek saga everyone else should have be the same?

What about Yajirobe? How much you think he has during the Majin Buu saga?

[In Brightest Day]

What about Yajirobe? How much you think he has during the Majin Buu saga?

Yajirobe trained after the Saiyan arc?

Even if he did, I highly doubt he would've even been close to approaching the level of Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamucha or Chaozu without training at Kaio's.

[p123]

So what that proves? That since Goku incresed his power in 10,000 times during the Namek saga everyone else should have be the same?

Yea pretty much. The main hero gains stupendous power, logically his allies have to gain a good amount of power to continue to be useful. That's generally what AT does...

[Fox666]

What about Yajirobe? How much you think he has during the Majin Buu saga?

Yajirobe trained after the Saiyan arc?

Even if he did, I highly doubt he would've even been close to approaching the level of Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamucha or Chaozu without training at Kaio's.

(Does Kuririn trains that much?)

Logically Yajirobe should have increased his power

Piccolo Daimao saga: 170
Saiyan saga: 970
Namek saga: 5,000
Androids saga: 1,000,000
Majin Buu saga: 100,000,000

[Kaboom]

Freeza is still considered a big deal even after his defeat. He's used as a measuring stick several times during the Androids/Cell arc, and Goku is genuinely impressed when Kaioshin uses Freeza as a reference point of the past Kaioshin and Boo's strength.

There's no need to underestimate or discredit a worthy character just because others became better than him eventually. Freeza is still impossibly strong.

[p123]

Why is that? Yajirobe has never been apart of the Z Senshi crew at least fighting wise. He got kicked out of the HAX crew after the training for the Saiyans was done.. Even then he probably was inferior to Chaoutzu one could think...

[Fox666]

How can you take Yajirobe at Freeza level serious? I used Yajirobe as an example of why we shouldn't put huge* increases for the humans.

*and with "huge" I mean the idea that Kuririn ever suprassed captain Ginyu

[p123]

Where did you get that impression ?

Yajirobe in the Buu Saga should be relatively the same as he was against Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga. I see no reason for Yajirobe to be increasing exponentially since then.


Seeing how Yajirobe is a bitch, I doubt during the Saiyans Saga he's even stronger than Chaoutzu. I don't see Yajirobe being much over 1,000 ever in the series, so of course I don't see him anywhere near Freeza level, and neither do I see any human near Freeza's level either.



For example, I would think the spacing between Piccolo and Base Goku would be similar to Piccolo and SSJ Goku at the androids Saga. Only Piccolo is suggested to have kept up with the SSJs, so the humans should be not too far off from the base strength of the saiyans, which has gone through a noticeable lull since the zenkais have finished...

Then base takes off from the Rosat, and the humans are simply left behind, being somewhat comparable to base strength on Namek- Androids.

[Herms]

Exactly. Even if his alien ancestors were warriors that could be in the same league as the Saiyans or Namekians, we don't know how much of that blood Tenshinhan actually has in him. Their genes may not work as well when creating hybrids like Saiyans, who seem to get stronger the more the blood is diluted.

Heck, all we know is that his alien ancestry allows him to grow arms and split into multiple people, and he couldn't beat Goku with those abilities. He got far more mileage out of the Kikoho and Bukujutsu.

[Bussani]

So what that proves? That since Goku incresed his power in 10,000 times during the Namek saga everyone else should have be the same?

Yea pretty much. The main hero gains stupendous power, logically his allies have to gain a good amount of power to continue to be useful. That's generally what AT does...

This just seems to ignore everything in the story for no reason, if you ask me. Goku's allies were always a step behind him because they were always literally doing the training he'd already done. Goku trains with Kame-sennin, then Yamcha trains with Kame-sennin. In the meantime Goku trains with Karin. Everyone else then trains with Karin, while Goku trains with God. Everyone trains with God, Goku trains with God's boss. Everyone trains with God's boss, Goku does even greater training. That's the point where they stop following in Goku's footsteps; I see no reason to assume they'd finally close the gap when Goku continues to do incredible training and they don't.

Like I said, Dragon Ball is a story about surpassing your limits by always seeking out the next way of powering up. Throwing that to the side and saying, "They get stronger cause plot says so!" is what GT does.

[Hellspawn28]

I still think the human characters like Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamucha should be strong enough to blow up a Planet by the end of the manga if they wanted too.

[Fox666]

Yeah, Kuririn has 13,000, he can blow the Earth with that

[p123]

Dude Tien can one shot 100% Freeza with ease. A planet is done with even less ease!