Are Tenkaichi fans ruining the franchise's progress?
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Re: Are Tenkaichi fans ruining the franchise's progress?
My perception on the answer to this question has changed now recently. I'm not a fan of Treevax being so selective with his concerns for the games and his focuses being more demanding of fanservice than anything realistic but he's not as bad as to what the degrees the majority of what the fanbase has become now after the last few weeks since the beta code release.
Its not inherently the BT fans that are ruining the franchise objectively, its the more of the spike fanboys themselves that are the ones that are constantly changing their demands and going back and fourth with their goal-posts. The side of the fanbase that just needs something to hate and will bash anything not a carbon copy of BT3.
These are the people who are jumping the shark with all the hatred of Xenoverse based on literally nothing but the similarity it has to BOZ by comparing speculative superficial coincidences. Some people going as far as hating the game for featuring things that they wanted last year. People were complaining on and on about how the rushes ruined the flow of the game because of how long they were and over accessible they were to spammers... now that they're gone and that Dimps wants to make this game competant if not totally competitive, people complain.
If that doesn't make sense then nothing they say will. Based on all the trivial niches that people have with how they base their conclusion of the game's potential limits are off its appearance alone mixed in what they are expecting to hate from the game because it doesnt look like the Tenkaichi game they are familiar with. The mindset of the people who are doing this is what disgusts me more than anything. I can accept it if people like BT, but not for all the ridiculous reasons people bash Xenoverse and Burst Limit for. A lot of the ranting I've seen on the game is just so absurd its hard to believe the level of ignorance. It makes the COD fanboys seem educated.
Its not inherently the BT fans that are ruining the franchise objectively, its the more of the spike fanboys themselves that are the ones that are constantly changing their demands and going back and fourth with their goal-posts. The side of the fanbase that just needs something to hate and will bash anything not a carbon copy of BT3.
These are the people who are jumping the shark with all the hatred of Xenoverse based on literally nothing but the similarity it has to BOZ by comparing speculative superficial coincidences. Some people going as far as hating the game for featuring things that they wanted last year. People were complaining on and on about how the rushes ruined the flow of the game because of how long they were and over accessible they were to spammers... now that they're gone and that Dimps wants to make this game competant if not totally competitive, people complain.
If that doesn't make sense then nothing they say will. Based on all the trivial niches that people have with how they base their conclusion of the game's potential limits are off its appearance alone mixed in what they are expecting to hate from the game because it doesnt look like the Tenkaichi game they are familiar with. The mindset of the people who are doing this is what disgusts me more than anything. I can accept it if people like BT, but not for all the ridiculous reasons people bash Xenoverse and Burst Limit for. A lot of the ranting I've seen on the game is just so absurd its hard to believe the level of ignorance. It makes the COD fanboys seem educated.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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I just wanna ask. Do you keep like a diary/record or something of what every DB youtuber you come across has to say, including when they change their minds, their past opinions and current opinions etc? Because I think I was like almost the only person ever who complained about the rushes, and I sure as hell haven't changed my mind. What makes you so sure that the people who complained about the/other features are the same people who wanted them back once they were gone?SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:People were complaining on and on about how the rushes ruined the flow of the game because of how long they were and over accessible they were to spammers... now that they're gone and that Dimps wants to make this game competant if not totally competitive, people complain.
I get the sentiment of your post though, but you've got to understand that you're gonna get people like this wherever you go, especially on a site where everyone goes for their info/footage. I doubt NB takes their comments seriously and uses their opinions to gauge the assumed quality of the game. Especially when you've got youtubers uploading gameplay videos, either from the beta or wherever, and giving positive feedback (channels which get quite a lot of views).
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No, I do not keep a record of every opinion of every person that happens to say something nonsensical. My perception of the fanbase is in the same view Namco sees us. The general consensus based on the loudest common response to the updates of the new games is my conclusion. Sure they may not always be the same people but I don't believe voices change. Its not as if this fanbase takes turns here. There are people who've I've discussed this with who within the same sentence contract themselves over the quality of the games. Though its not at all farfetched to assume its the same people. BT3 fanboys hate everything not BT3. B3 fanboys have at least played out the BT games.DonieZ wrote:I just wanna ask. Do you keep like a diary/record or something of what every DB youtuber you come across has to say, including when they change their minds, their past opinions and current opinions etc? Because I think I was like almost the only person ever who complained about the rushes, and I sure as hell haven't changed my mind. What makes you so sure that the people who complained about the/other features are the same people who wanted them back once they were gone?SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:People were complaining on and on about how the rushes ruined the flow of the game because of how long they were and over accessible they were to spammers... now that they're gone and that Dimps wants to make this game competant if not totally competitive, people complain.
I get the sentiment of your post though, but you've got to understand that you're gonna get people like this wherever you go, especially on a site where everyone goes for their info/footage. I doubt NB takes their comments seriously and uses their opinions to gauge the assumed quality of the game. Especially when you've got youtubers uploading gameplay videos, either from the beta or wherever, and giving positive feedback (channels which get quite a lot of views).
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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Re: Are Tenkaichi fans ruining the franchise's progress?
They've been the problem all along because if it weren't for them there wouldn't have been Raging Blast 2, Ultimate Blast or Battle of Z as Bandai Namco would've geared in a different direction and probably better (an RPG, Action Adventure, Kart, or etc).
There's too many Dragon Ball fighting games and very little of karting (1 or 2?). It'd be so cool to play a DB Kart game against everyone online, and heck, why not hire Nintendo to do it? They'd just rework the Mario Kart 8 engine, make the characters, karts, items, maps, music and then it's ready in a year or two.
There's too many Dragon Ball fighting games and very little of karting (1 or 2?). It'd be so cool to play a DB Kart game against everyone online, and heck, why not hire Nintendo to do it? They'd just rework the Mario Kart 8 engine, make the characters, karts, items, maps, music and then it's ready in a year or two.
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RPG, Kart, Action Adventure are your ideas of "probably better" for dragon ball games? OMG Seriously?!dbboxkaifan wrote:They've been the problem all along because if it weren't for them there wouldn't have been Raging Blast 2, Ultimate Blast or Battle of Z as Bandai Namco would've geared in a different direction and probably better (an RPG, Action Adventure, Kart, or etc).
There's too many Dragon Ball fighting games and very little of karting (1 or 2?). It'd be so cool to play a DB Kart game against everyone online, and heck, why not hire Nintendo to do it? They'd just rework the Mario Kart 8 engine, make the characters, karts, items, maps, music and then it's ready in a year or two.

Re: Are Tenkaichi fans ruining the franchise's progress?
Honestly, Budokai fanboys are just as bad as the Tenkaichi fanboys.
Both are bashing the other for liking one game over another.
Both are bashing the other for liking one game over another.
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Re: Are Tenkaichi fans ruining the franchise's progress?
I dunno about the karting idea, but RPG and action-adventure? Hell yeah they're better. LoG2, Advanced Adventure, and Legendary Super Warriors were much more fun than any of the fighting games.Drev wrote:RPG, Kart, Action Adventure are your ideas of "probably better" for dragon ball games? OMG Seriously?!dbboxkaifan wrote:They've been the problem all along because if it weren't for them there wouldn't have been Raging Blast 2, Ultimate Blast or Battle of Z as Bandai Namco would've geared in a different direction and probably better (an RPG, Action Adventure, Kart, or etc).
There's too many Dragon Ball fighting games and very little of karting (1 or 2?). It'd be so cool to play a DB Kart game against everyone online, and heck, why not hire Nintendo to do it? They'd just rework the Mario Kart 8 engine, make the characters, karts, items, maps, music and then it's ready in a year or two.
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Why do people assume that Namco Bandai does not listen to their fans? I mean Bandai America's toy company has been listing to their fans with Power Rangers and I would imagine their video game company would do the same. I believe fans wanting Dimps back for so long is the reason why they hire them for XV or otherwise they would have just got Spike back. They hire someone new for Battle of Z most likely hearing feed back from getting tired of Spike.
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I would so play a DB Kart game. That would be awesome. I can already see it, Piccolo in the clothes that he was wearing when him and Goku were trying to get their license.dbboxkaifan wrote:They've been the problem all along because if it weren't for them there wouldn't have been Raging Blast 2, Ultimate Blast or Battle of Z as Bandai Namco would've geared in a different direction and probably better (an RPG, Action Adventure, Kart, or etc).
There's too many Dragon Ball fighting games and very little of karting (1 or 2?). It'd be so cool to play a DB Kart game against everyone online, and heck, why not hire Nintendo to do it? They'd just rework the Mario Kart 8 engine, make the characters, karts, items, maps, music and then it's ready in a year or two.
