I won't talk about the Super anime & the reasons why I think there is no way it is canon to the original manga, but Toriyama has said that he wrote the BoG & FnF movies as if he was continuing writing the manga, and he considers the Super manga the continuation of his story... take these as you will.TheMikado wrote:I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but what I'm saying is that the argument of canonicity is ridiculous due to the preproduction of Super. Many of the same arguments made about GT can be made for Super. The advantage that Super has is that it used repelling a of two movie which although the were not Toriyamas ideas, did include his input to a substantial degree in at least BoG. People are carrying this over to mean he applied this same level of detail to all of Super which is a fallacy and we do not know the full extent to which he is involved in Super the anime. We know some sort of overview/outline exists however judging from the divergences in anime and manga, it would be fair to logically conclude this outline is most likely minimal and Toriyama possibly has little connection to the ongoing production of the Super anime.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Anyway, what you want to say is that BoG/FnF/Super are not part of Toriyama's story?
This again is based on his comments and surprise of some of the end results of the Super anime.
Basically the idea that Toriyama is intimately involved with the Super anime is most likely false and most interviews and evidence point to a level of hands off involvement on the Super Anime which could be closer to his involvement with GT than his involvement with the original Dragonball or Dragonball Z anime.
Just so it's clear, I am well aware Toriyama wrote an "outline" as opposed to GT, however I am stating that we do not know the extent that the outline was preconceived. If it's similar to BOG production much of it may have been idea and concepts developed by Toei and just asked him to put it together in an overview of how he would see things playing out. Fortunately for BOG we got him changing a significant portion of it, but there is no guarantee that that level of involvement is still occurring or that the concepts are whole original from Toriyama himself rather than something Toei wanted to do and needed Toriyamas stamp of approval on.
What material is included in Super but is NOT by Toriyama?
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Re: What material is included in Super but is NOT by Toriyama?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: What material is included in Super but is NOT by Toriyama?
^ I agree with that which is why I like the Super mang but hate the anime as its more consistently written.