The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

[Mazingerdestro]

I don't see how the manga did something different. It's the same story but instead of plot elements been separated in many episodes, the plot is told in large portions (obviously due to the fact that the manga is monthly). Can't say that story wise the manga did something better. The only thing that the manga dis better is the battle choreographis. Toyotaro's art is consistent and detailed. Nothing more nothing less for now

[HeroR]

We can't rely on assumptions. Especially when it comes to a plot device time travel and rules always change in that regard for the convenience of the plot, and all it take something minor to fuck everything up. Beerus killing Zamasu is the action that directly causes the split in the timeline, meaning that in the original timeline, Zamasu survived that encounter. Hell, Goku Black when mentions Beerus, Zamasu didn't know who he was prior to meeting him. Confirming he wasn't supposed to die in that timeline, which also doesn't make sense. None of this makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that Goku Black shouldn't exist. Period. He's a walking paradox.

In the manga, Beerus wouldn't know about Zamasu since he only found out through Trunks, namely about Goku Black. In the original timeline, Zamasu got the information from Zuno, killed Gowasu, and skipped a year. Because of Trunks, Zamasu's activities were noticed because he asked about Goku and switching bodies, which gave everyone the clue that he was Black and was going to reign chaos.

It's in the anime that Black exists because of a stable time loop, which Black created his own existence when he followed Trunks through time. So he's a paradox in the anime, not the manga.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well, let's see:
-ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever.

-killed all tension from trying to discover who Black was, with a fucking exposition dump without anyone even meeting either Black or Zamasu.

-skipped some of the best moments: showing Bulma die, sparring with Present Trunks, Vegeta's training with Trunks, Trunks seeing Gohan happy and wondering how his own life would have been, Beerus and Whis actually doing some investigation before killing Zamasu etc.

That's without mentioning the manga's usual problems of mediocre art, horrible paneling and pacing issues. And we're only halfway trough the arc! It's only going to get worse at this point.

I mean if by justice you use Zamasu's twisted sense of it, you can say it's true.

Can you explain what you mean the you say, 'ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever'.

He gets mad enough when he sees Goku using God ki on GodTube that he decides to go on and kill the entire population of the multiverse using the body of a guy he doesn't even know.

Exactly, It doesn't make sense the motivation to steal Goku's body or actually do the Zero Motals plan, just isn't realised in the Manga at all, the anime at least we have proper motivation, Goku fought a Kaiohin prodigy, won and being a mortal humiliates the Kaioshion. Kaioshin later founds out that Goku not only held back but can cloak himself in the Ki of gods, that is when Zamasu's turn happens and he puts everything into motion. The anime it makes sense why he chose Goku but in the Manga he could have chose anyone, infact he didn't need to swap bodies in the Manga at all.

[The gr]

So 95℅ of the fandom agree with me that the anime handle trunks zamasu and goku black way better than the manga through In my opinion the manga handle goku and frost way better than the anime sigh Toyo is better off writing simple stories like u6 tournament because I like his portrayal of that tournament it was simple and grounded and it made sense with the exception of chapter 13

[Zephyr]

- The art of the series resembles the series to a certain point. It doesn't look like the original manga did during the Buu Saga for example.
- That is only a good thing if you don't like Sumitomo score.
- Since animation has more frames than a manga, it wouldn't run into the same problems as an anime.
- No voices, period, so we don't get to hear Black's epic voice work or any other.
- Even for the manga, the involvement is limited to him being worry about the gags, not the actually story.

The anime being more 'fundamentally flawed' is subjective. Also, the comparison to Sonic is flawed since neither Sonic Mania Sonic 2017 hasn't even been released. Sonic Mania also using the 2D games as a base and it isn't built from the ground up.

There are three large, fundamental reasons I prefer the manga:

1. The manga is fundamentally at less risk of fucking things up in the "visuals" department.
Toei didn't do enough pre-production on Super's anime. Your point on animation is exactly mine: since Toyotaro's not trying to do as much, there's less to fuck up. And the anime definitely fucks it up on an overwhelmingly consistent basis. "Don't bite off more than you can chew", as the old saying goes. Toei bit off too much. Toyotaro's not even in the position to bite off that much. Sometimes safer is better.

2. The anime's sole apparent strength is fundamentally less sustainable.
Good voice work is nice, but when it's at the expense of replacing some of the more since-day-one iconic voices of the franchise like Yanami, it's less and less worth continuing in animated form. The unfortunate truth is that Nozawa's not getting any younger, and she requested for Gohan and Goten to not be there for the recent Dr. Slump episode. Not in any way intended to disparage Nozawa, but the fact of the matter is that good voice acting is inherently less sustainable, especially when said voice actors have been at this for over 30 years now. Some have passed away, some had to be replaced due to poor health, and some are now having to take things a bit easier. An unfortunate fact of life that has dire implications for the anime.

3. The manga feels like a more authentic continuation of the original series than the anime does.
However limited you want to call Toriyama's involvement with the manga, it's much more still than his involvement with the anime. Even if it were just gags, gags are a fundamental part of Dragon Ball. It may not look like the Buu arc, but it looks miles closer to the Buu arc than the anime's art. That's undeniable. I'll give you that not liking Sumitomo is subjective, though it's most certainly not wuxia genre-appropriate like Kikuchi's was.

The Super manga more closely resembles the original manga, by way of having a more similar art style and more direct-from-the-original-author gags. The Super anime, on the other hand, in comparison to its predecessor, has a completely different musical score, less supervised humor, and character designs that barely resemble the old ones.

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I can understand someone not wanting to jump ship after me, but I don't think it's at all difficult to comprehend why some people might have the gall to prefer the manga.

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Sonic Mania is 100% being built from scratch, just like the 2011 remake of Sonic CD was, and the subsequent mobile ports of Sonic 1 and 2 were. Mania may not be out yet, but it's the first Sonic game that I can remember that hasn't presented a single red flag, and whose developers have nothing but a stellar track record. They're playing it incredibly safe, by actually properly, and demonstrably if you watch any bit of gameplay, returning to the one fully solid gameplay style the franchise has seen. Again, quality assurance. What little info we have on 2017, "new gameplay component", "new character", is the typical "Sonic Cycle" stuff that bodes poorly for Sonic Team developed games, very consistently. More of the typical forced "innovation" and wheel re-invention.

The anime is a spectacular disaster, from a production standpoint, in comparison to the manga. 2017 has every reason for people to believe that it too will be a spectacular disaster in comparison to Mania (despite neither being out yet; logical inferences exist). Plus, the manga and Mania are being done by "new blood former fans", who are, relative to their "big boy main attraction" counterparts, playing it safe. Not seeing how the comparison isn't on point.

[Boo Machine]

3. The manga feels like a more authentic continuation of the original series than the anime does.

I'm still unsure what makes one feel more like an authentic continuation than the other. They both just feel like "Extra Dragonball" to me.The anime may not be terribly close to the original mangas art style (What ever point in the manga we're comparing it to.) But the manga doesn't feel very close either. Toyo does a great imitation but it doesn't feel like Toriyama to me.

Does the level of Toriyamas involvement make it feel more authentic ?

[Overlord78]

It didn't in my eyes. I find both the manga and anime versions terrible.

[Miracles]

The manga filled up all these loose holes You see how I just explained??

Well you are praising the manga for doing what it is suppose to do. Complimenting the anime; Explaining things the anime didn't. Going into depth on some things the anime didn't. While the anime focused on emotion; Bringing the story to life with intense fight scenes, voice, music, etc. The manga's art is better than the anime's though.

[Zephyr]

3. The manga feels like a more authentic continuation of the original series than the anime does.

I'm still unsure what makes one feel more like an authentic continuation than the other. They both just feel like "Extra Dragonball" to me.The anime may not be terribly close to the original mangas art style (What ever point in the manga we're comparing it to.) But the manga doesn't feel very close either. Toyo does a great imitation but it doesn't feel like Toriyama to me.

Does the level of Toriyamas involvement make it feel more authentic ?

That, and it looking a lot closer. The Super anime already "resembles" the original run less due to those two reasons, but it also has music to make it feel more disconnected.

Again, I'm talking about a relative feeling of authenticity. I'm not saying that Super's manga is indistinguishable from the original, or anything like that.

[Chuquita]

I go back and forth with the manga. I didn't care for Chapter 19, but I really enjoyed Chapter 20.

[buutenks]

The manga arc is simply to rushed for me to like it. Plus Goku Black isn't as awesome.