The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

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The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by HyugaProdigy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:09 pm

Guys, lets all be real here, after I read the latest chapter 20, I come down to conclusion atleast so far that the manga portrayed way better job than the anime! Let's look up what everything that Toyotaru did to deliver some justice in Goku Black arc and see what Toei failed at.

1. Toyotaru learned the art of Toriyama in a better fashioned, his artistic and concept design was a masterpiece and was remained consistently throughout each and every chapters. Toei at times have good art but tends to looks horrendous so ultimately it dwindles a lot.

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2. We get some backstory of Future Trunk training the Z sword with the Supreme Kai during the ressurection of majin buu. Toyotaru explained well that Trunk in ssj2 was on par with Goku on ssj3 because the training with the Kiaoshin. Once Goku tapped in his god ki on ssj3, Trunk instantly got knocked out. We've also got to see Trunk spend time with Vegeta at the weight training capsule corps which is better than training at normal field. Also the pacing is going smoothly so far, they might show us how Vegeta is going to teach him to access the god ki.
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3. They spend good chunk amount of 10+ pages with battle that occured with Future Trunk vs Dabura and so much life at stakes and drama because Toyataru dedicated to spend 50 pages (entire chapter) of telling the Story.
Furthermore I like how we got to see an iconic villain in dbz was giving them a struggle and love seeing how Shin of the supreme Kai was the essential help to stop Dabura.
The Anime completely wasted this opportunity which we've only got few glances of em and they disregarded it because instead providing backstory, huge amount of time in this anime was wasted on the pilaf gang and pointless filler padding. Toei just couldn't come up with better idea.

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4. Time traveling was done a better job portraying in the simplified form and none of this loopholes like we've been receiving in the anime. They delve more deeper about the time skip event that pretty much self-explanatory during the Kias sparring from both universes. Goku never met Zamasu, instead it was Shin of supreme kia who brought up Goku in the first place. Zamasu was simply watching on God tube during U7 VS U6 tourney match behind the scene and gets triggered even harder after seeing how strong Goku was against Hit.

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5. We've also get to see some funny moment where the Z gang and even Beerus was playing Mario kart, now this was executed well at the right moment where it needed to be. Anything else after that would just be dragging and pointless like how the anime did with jumping back and forth between the intense battle with Goku Black and then switch up to some comdeic relief on the most insignificant characters.

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6. Goku being much more smarter in the manga; he didn't say a lot of dumb shit, instead he was being upfront and being intellectual like how he was the one to brought up the mafuba in his strategy to stop zamasu. He didn't forget to bring a senju beans instead Zamasu took the advantage of it in snatching the senzu bean and destroyed it. Much better than some BS Excuse of "I forgot" on some contrived plot.
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7. Lastly, Super Saiyan Rose was explained to surpassed god in ssjb. Before he fought vegeta, Goku black was training to be more accustomed with his body and he gotten adapted during the whole year. In the Anime, normal based Goku Black somehow had the upper edge against Super Saiyan Goku yet in the manga; Goku Black first encounter with Vegeta had a lot of struggle. Black used ssj but was overwhelmingly outmatched by ssj Vegeta and then ssb. Black was on the verge of death but gets Huge zenkia boost after he got HEALED by Zamasu. Whereas in the Anime; it was NEVER implied that Goku Black was receiving support and gets first aid kit from his partner; instead what we got is that Black recieved heavy killing blow but then all the sudden he got up like nothing and tanked all that shit.

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The manga filled up all these loose holes You see how I just explained??

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Ajay » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:12 pm

Most of your images don't work because you're trying to hotlink to an illegal scanlation website.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:26 pm

I like the anime more

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by HyugaProdigy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:32 pm

Ajay wrote:Most of your images don't work because you're trying to hotlink to an illegal scanlation website.

Please don't do that.
so it's illegal huh. Can you suggest me what site I can use post scanlations??

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by zamasu121 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:33 pm

The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:38 pm

zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.

They see something new and than they overacting thinking it is better than the anime

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Post by TheMikado » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:49 pm

zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.
People like something that may actually be good, therefore I must hate it.

Come on guys it doesn't have to be like this.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by dbs fanboy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:52 pm

They're pretty equal, both had their ups and downs. So far, the manga is more consistent it might make more sense, but the anime puts more life into some scenes like Black Goku's mistery and his reveal and even Black's character, as in the manga he really just sounded like Zamasu in Goku's body, but in the anime, yeah, his still Zamasu but he was being corrupted by Goku's saiyan heritage which made him have a different personality. Beerus killing Zamasu was better portrayed in the anime but Trunks vs Goku was better portrayed in the manga, and the violence of the babarians was also better portrayed.
I really miss ma boy, Black :( :cry:


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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Saturnine » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:55 pm

The manga is okay. I'm not sure if I prefer it to the anime, because these two media are so different it can actually get confusing, especially in terms of mechanics and explanations for phenomena given.

But overall it's a pretty nice thing to read.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:58 pm

To respond to the thread, yes, I do agree the manga doing Black arc some justice. For me, I'm liking it's version of these events a lot more. I had my doubts after 19, but 20 just picked em right back up. I think Super Saiyan Rosé especially looks awesome and creepy. I love that they gave Black the first form before we got Rosé. I thought the go-carts could've been done better and included differently but I'm perfectly O.K with them. One thing I felt with this arc is that Toyotaro's really coming into his own as an artist. Also, the senzu thing was handled a lot better imo.

While I do wanna wait until the end before making certain judgements, what I've seen is enough for me to say that I prefer a lot of it over what the anime did
Lujin_16 wrote: They see something new and than they overacting thinking it is better than the anime
So, people are overreacting because they like the manga better than the anime? If they think it's better, then they think it's better. It has hardly anything to do with it being new. Stop putting these labels on groups of fans becaue their opinions don't align with yours.
zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.
So, you're gonna hate on it because a bunch of other people like it? That seems a bit conceded.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:04 pm

I'm gonna have to go with the anime.

Black is far more menacing and always felt like a true threat right up until the fusion. At no point did he job. Also I much prefer the anime's interpretation of his powers, with him just having to power up (and get a darker aura) to match Goku's super saiyan forms and his only true transformation being Super Saiyan Rose. It just helps Black stand more apart from Goku and more unique.
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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by zamasu121 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:08 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.
So, you're gonna hate on it because a bunch of other people like it? That seems a bit conceded.
Yep. That pretty much describes it. Its probably the reason why i dislike the movie ''kimi no na wa'' so much.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:15 pm

zamasu121 wrote: Yep. That pretty much describes it. Its probably the reason why i dislike the movie ''kimi no na wa'' so much.
That's awful. It's hardly even close to "disgustingly overrated". I think you're exaggerating by a lot. Maybe a vocal minority, but definitely not "disgustingly overrated".
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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Yedis » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:20 pm

There are some parts of the it the Anime handle better than the Manga.

Black letting Trunks escape in the Manga to "get stronger" is silly and goes against the Zero Mortals Plan. The Anime version of Trunks escape is better.

Also Zamasu's obsession of Goku makes more sense in the Anime than the Magna. Him getting beat down by Goku and witnessing his power first hand is a lot better than he just saw him on godtube. If he watched on Godtube he witnessed multiple mortals who have reached the level of the gods. Why focus on Goku only?

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by HeroR » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:22 pm

zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.
That is kind of my problem as well. Those who love the manga goes on about how superior it is to the anime and Toei sucks. While I personally found the manga inferior with only some bits better than the anime. It becomes funnier when bits from the anime they hate and blame on Toei turns up in the manga, making the idea Toriyama's.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by zamasu121 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:25 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
zamasu121 wrote: Yep. That pretty much describes it. Its probably the reason why i dislike the movie ''kimi no na wa'' so much.
That's awful. It's hardly even close to "disgustingly overrated". I think you're exaggerating by a lot. Maybe a vocal minority, but definitely not "disgustingly overrated". And hating it just because others like it is.....I don't even know what to say.
That is just my opinion. I just can't help but see the extreme bias towards the manga, while people shit on the anime, but give a free pass to any flaws in the manga.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:27 pm

zamasu121 wrote: That is just my opinion. I just can't help but see the extreme bias towards the manga, while people shit on the anime, but give a free pass to any flaws in the manga.
Well, I hardly ever see an extreme bias towards the manga. I think you're exaggerating by a lot but I do respect your opinion.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by HyugaProdigy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:34 pm

zamasu121 wrote:
Bansho64 wrote:
zamasu121 wrote: Yep. That pretty much describes it. Its probably the reason why i dislike the movie ''kimi no na wa'' so much.
That's awful. It's hardly even close to "disgustingly overrated". I think you're exaggerating by a lot. Maybe a vocal minority, but definitely not "disgustingly overrated". And hating it just because others like it is.....I don't even know what to say.
That is just my opinion. I just can't help but see the extreme bias towards the manga, while people shit on the anime, but give a free pass to any flaws in the manga.
Please care to explain what flaws it had on the manga because I barely see any...

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by HyugaProdigy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:36 pm

Lujin_16 wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.

They see something new and than they overacting thinking it is better than the anime
I am not over reacting, I am being objective here, please tell me how the manga is not doing well when it stayed consistently because literally the Anime made to many plot holes and retcons.

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Re: The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

Post by zamasu121 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:36 pm

HeroR wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:The manga has become so disgustingly overrated, that i just can't stop myself from starting to hate it.
That is kind of my problem as well. Those who love the manga goes on about how superior it is to the anime and Toei sucks. While I personally found the manga inferior with only some bits better than the anime. It becomes funnier when bits from the anime they hate and blame on Toei turns up in the manga, making the idea Toriyama's.
We know trunks is gonna survive his encounter with black. I just can't wait and see how people justify that nonsense.

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