Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 83 - Official Discussion Thread

[TheSaiyanGod]

Sometimes less is more. Goku had been struggling to do just that all arc (and arguably beforehand--ever since the ToP). It's coherent. I couldn't imagine any big secret twist working any better for the story, which is why this was along the lines of what I was expecting.

I'm actually expecting Vegeta and Monaito in the next chapter to just ask "so what the hell are we supposed to do now since we didn't find any weakness". Like, characters in-universe acknowledging that the secret about Gas' defeat wasn't some big twist or answer, and that Goku himself will just need to use it as HIS answer for what he's looking for.

[Grimlock]

Bardock vs Gas must take place weeks or months prior to Dragon Ball Minus?

The fight happens two (or three) years before Dragon Ball Minus.

Goku is a newborn since Bardock and Gine hadn't decided a name yet. So it must certainly takes place the same year Goku was born (which may be AGE 736 or AGE 737, depending on your choice). That's also why I said Freeza had been planning to kill the Saiyans with years in advance in a previous post.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

[FortuneSSJ]

My reaction after reading the summary: Is that it?!
There's nothing interesting in this conclusion.

[Xeogran]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

So then you're telling me that Gas indeed would win the fight without the dragon's influence? Wow he got robbed.

[emperior]

That’s just speculation though. It’s unclear whether the wish was actually made or if Monaito just sent off Toronbo, recognizing his mistake. But there should have been a point in the summoning of the dragon, right?

Anyways, I wonder if Bardock beating Gas was what sparked some talking about the Super Saiyan. Maybe it was Elec who told Freeza about it?

[Hugo Boss]

I was reading Bardock’s lines and curiously not only his experience benefits Goku, but Vegeta as well. It seems for me both have something to learn from there in terms of mental state, in order to perfect their respective godly techniques.

[kemuri07]

That’s just speculation though. It’s unclear whether the wish was actually made or if Monaito just sent off Toronbo, recognizing his mistake. But there should have been a point in the summoning of the dragon, right?

Anyways, I wonder if Bardock beating Gas was what sparked some talking about the Super Saiyan. Maybe it was Elec who told Freeza about it?

Oh man that'd be so lame if that happened. Like the Legend of The Super Saiyan, the legend that caused the strongest in the galaxy the purge an entire race in fear that one of them might rise against him, all came about because Bardock one time punched Gas really, really hard.

[OLKv3]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

I don't buy it. It goes against the whole narrative of the flashback, which is Goku learning from it

[UpFromTheSkies]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

I don't buy it. It goes against the whole narrative of the flashback, which is Goku learning from it

I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it at first reading because...

Spoiler:

the mysterious aura only appeared around Bardock after the wish was made, and suddenly Gas couldn't harm him. I guess you could also interpret it as him gaining strength after thinking of protecting his kids, but then what was the point of the dragon ball scene?

[OLKv3]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

I don't buy it. It goes against the whole narrative of the flashback, which is Goku learning from it

I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it at first reading because...

Spoiler:

the mysterious aura only appeared around Bardock after the wish was made, and suddenly Gas couldn't harm him. I guess you could also interpret it as him gaining strength after thinking of protecting his kids, but then what was the point of the dragon ball scene?

Spoiler:

For us to have this conversation pretty much. I don't think we'll ever find out if he actually made the wish or not

[chitarra10]

Spoiler:

Bardock wishes for his sons to grow up well, so the aura that appears around Bardock is the dragon protecting him so he can survive and send Goku to planet Earth later

Oooh... I like that theory a lot better than all this other crap people are saying about it being Super Saiyan!! I'm so glad they didn't make Bardock go Super Saiyan, if he did, it would totally ruin his whole story.

[Nistarkail]

""Well then, yeah... May my sons grow up well... I wish them well"

I'm starting to think that Toronbo (a.k.a) "Trollonboh" is the only dragon in U7 who realizes wishes with something very pricy to pay

But in the end I presume that nobody managed to use the Dragon Balls this time.

[Xeogran]

I'm starting to think that Toronbo (a.k.a) "Trollonboh" is the only dragon in U7 who realizes wishes with something very pricy to pay

Well at this point they were adults so the wish's effects ended

But in the end I presume that nobody managed to use the Dragon Balls this time.

I doubt so, otherwise that would just be a waste of pages. I know it's symbolic and "Monaito learns a lesson" kind of stuff, but yeah. Bardock's powerup is too sudden to be a simple Zenkai, at least that's not how it worked back then.

[emperior]

In a panel it seems like Bardock’s hair lifts up a little, sort of like Ultra Instinct Omen’s… It may not be a mere zenkai after all?

[Jinto]

Maybe Raditz will come back

[Xeogran]

Maybe Raditz will come back

His soul should be long reincarnated by now. If they find any way to bring him back it'll mean any villain could just return at will.

[OLKv3]

Read the chapter.

Spoiler:

The wish definitely had nothing to do with the powerup. Powerup came much later after the dragon left. I still doubt Monaito even made a wish. He heard Bardock and sent the dragon away because he realized he doesn't want to make selfish wishes.

[Grimlock]

Awesome chapter, as one could expect. Finally one in which I'm able to actually see Bardock in action for more than limited panels. If this is ever animated, it'll surely provide more nice content to add to Bardock in games.

I like that Bardock's "gallery of villains" just got a big bigger and that he had an interaction with a wishing dragon at some point in his life.

Trivia stuff aside, I still think we are going to see the aftermath and a bit more of Bardock next chapter, maybe Toriyama's explanation of tails growing back will appear in it? If so, hopefully the Oozaru part of gets left out, it doesn't make any sense the idea of "surpassing the power of Oozaru".

[Gt91]

I didn't understand anything this time ahaha.
Maybe Monaito has wished something different? Gas was too strong for Bardack.... a power-up couldn't have been enough to defeat him.