Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by ABED » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:24 pm

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ABED wrote:Considering that Kai wasn't overly successful in Japan, I'd imagine they would want to keep the episode count low.
It's not related with the success of Kai, it has to do with the point of Dragon Ball Kai. The Saiyan/Freeza/Cell arcs are 199 episodes in DBZ, while they are 98 in DBKai, which are around half the episodes of DBZ. The Great Saiyaman arc has nothing to do with Dragon Ball Kai, because most of it is filler. The goal isn't to modernize DBZ, the goal is to modernize DBZ and cut as much filler as possible.
I get that, I was referring to the 66 count remark. I don't think that was ever considered, not only because they wanted to keep it closer to the manga, there's also more expensive to produce more episodes.

I was responding to someone else's point.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:27 pm

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SSJ4 Furanki wrote:Will FUNimation be allowed to dub the songs, or will they be kept solely in Japanese? I know they didn't dub every insert song, but it would seem odd if the opening/endings didn't get dubbed.
This is a tricky question. Toei (specifically Avex) has been pretty weird with the domestic releases of their shows OP/EDs recently. They more or less requested that FUNimation stop dubbing the One Piece songs after Season 4, and the Toriko dub contained the original Japanese songs as well. The reason behind this was I guess to promote the original artists work, which is understandable. I do hope they are allowed to continue dubbing the songs with Kai though, but no one can really say at this point.
I mean, it's their property, so if they don't want the songs dubbed, then the dubbing companies should respect that. However, I would respectfully submit that I think they're being over-cautious. I also think it's unnecessary that, even when a song is dubbed, the dubbing company is not allowed to name the dubbing singer in the credits...even though they're free to acknowledge who it is everywhere else, including social media. So what's the point? I think it shouldn't be a big deal to dub songs and then have in the credits something like...

ORIGINAL JAPANESE SINGER: X Name
ENGLISH DUB SINGER: Y Name

Which is what I've seen them do in some other places. For the French dub of Sonic X, they credited the singer who sung the French-dubbed version of the opening song, "Sonic Drive."

The situation with the One Piece-dubbed songs is odd too, because the German dub continued to dub the songs into German until the show stopped airing. And some of them sound very good!
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Jodaku » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:11 pm

I'm strangely looking forward to this. I won't be following it every week or anything, but I watched some of the Cell saga in Kai form not too long ago, and really enjoyed it, even with the repetitive re-arranged Kikuchi score. The new score has me more than a little curious.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Samwize78 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:27 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:So what's the point? I think it shouldn't be a big deal to dub songs and then have in the credits something like...

ORIGINAL JAPANESE SINGER: X Name
ENGLISH DUB SINGER: Y Name

Which is what I've seen them do in some other places. For the French dub of Sonic X, they credited the singer who sung the French-dubbed version of the opening song, "Sonic Drive."
I totally agree, I think the people who put their hard work into the dubbings of these songs should receive the credit they deserve. The only English dub I can recall seeing something like this was with Rorouni Kenshin.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:The situation with the One Piece-dubbed songs is odd too, because the German dub continued to dub the songs into German until the show stopped airing. And some of them sound very good!
Those sound awesome! I've always wanted to hear Jungle P dubbed. I guess it's just a case-by-case situation. The ending theme by Mr. Children in "Strong World" was was even used in the dub release, which was a big letdown.
Valerius Dover wrote:Then again, I'm also curious about this FLOW situation.
It was pretty much what you would expect, they just requested that their songs not be overdubbed for the international releases.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:44 pm

A new preview aired after the last episode of Toriko. I get the sneaking suspicion the Opening is merely going to be weak key animators. Gah, Yamamuro, if you can't find anyone with talent just do the entire Opening yourself!
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:35 pm

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Marco Polo wrote:They're gonna remove large parts of the Great Saiyaman are they
Videl learns to use ki in the third episode. The Tenka'ichi Budoukai begins in the fourth. Take that as you will.
Where do you see this? Just curious.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:51 pm

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Marco Polo wrote:They're gonna remove large parts of the Great Saiyaman are they
Videl learns to use ki in the third episode. The Tenka'ichi Budoukai begins in the fourth. Take that as you will.
Where do you see this? Just curious.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Samwize78 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:36 pm

JulieYBM wrote:A new preview aired after the last episode of Toriko. I get the sneaking suspicion the Opening is merely going to be weak key animators. Gah, Yamamuro, if you can't find anyone with talent just do the entire Opening yourself!
The new animation looks great, but I'm starting to see what you guys were talking about with the coloring.

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Post by B » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:38 am

Valerius Dover wrote:Dragon Ball GT also had seemingly random ending songs, and all of them were dubbed by Funimation. They even went out of their way to restore the animations for Endings 2-4. So, I think they probably will do them. Then again, I'm also curious about this FLOW situation.
That might be a different scenario where those songs are 10-15 years old by the time FUNimation gets their hands on dubbing them, and may not have the same restrictions a younger, current band like FLOW would have.

And to comment on the snippets of the OP, not a fan of the very obvious cost-cutting measure of "flip-flopping panels" with character stills on them. Also, it's a little weird that by the end of it, Tenshinhan is left next to the Saiyans. :P

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Chuquita » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:50 am

The animation looks stiff in that OP clip. :(

At least the OP song sounds good so far. ^^;
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Post by Hujio » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 am

I just can't get over how horrible that last group shot looks. It's the same thing that happened last time... again. Ugh...
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:41 am

I really wanna hear the full theme song. I like it so far. Also I do agree with the weird green tint, it's Ultimate Tenkaichi models all over again.

Maybe...just maybe they'll fix that stupid Kid Boo is the most powerful line, get rid of the inside Boo filler, and keep the Ultimate Gohan filler...pretty please...
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:46 am

I wonder if the Buu saga will have better merchandise sales? Kai was not successful in Japan due to poor merchandise sales. Toei views ratings as a afterthought since they tend to care about merchandise sales for their TV shows over ratings. If the Buu saga does better in merchandise sales then kai then Toei and Bandai will be happy.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:53 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:I wonder if the Buu saga will have better merchandise sales? Kai was not successful in Japan due to poor merchandise sales. Toei views ratings as a afterthought since they tend to care about merchandise sales for their TV shows over ratings. If the Buu saga does better in merchandise sales then kai then Toei and Bandai will be happy.
I get the impression that the biggest reason they're even airing Kai in Japan now (when it originally wasn't going to) is because Toriko just did that badly. They didn't have any immediate ideas for new content, and figured that bringing back Kai would be better than nothing, and their faith in it may have been given a small boost by the success of BoG.

With that in mind, I'll be interested from a business perspective to see what replaces Kai when the Buu arc is done airing....
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:56 am

Toei Animation is producing at least three new cartoons on other networks this April, so I think it has more to do with Fuji TV not wanting to waste money on Toriko when they have a year's worth of content they can air at no additional cost. Add this in with Toei Animation's otherwise busy line-up and they can essentially hold most slots for less trouble. Either way, it's less about Dragon Ball Kai being profitable and more about it being the less of two evils.
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Post by kei17 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:25 am

Hujio wrote:I just can't get over how horrible that last group shot looks. It's the same thing that happened last time... again. Ugh...
I don't like their choice of characters, too. Only the Saiyans and Piccolo? Why? There are many more nice characters in the Buu arc. This "we need only the badass strong guys" kind of tendency has been getting more and more obvious since Dragon Ball Heroes debuted. I miss the more atmosphere-centered directions until GT.

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Post by kei17 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:05 am

As some people have already stated, this time the footage has a weird green tint in it... :eh: It looks more natural just without it.


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Also, you can see the cyan from the sky left in Vegeta's aura.

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This kind of thing happens if you shift blues and cyans without enough care like this example.

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In addition, though the overall image is significantly sharper than before, the sharpness filter they used caused an edge overshoot.

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Although there are some pros like the improved sharpness and more image at the sides, these cons do bug me. Maybe the budget was even tighter or they rushed the remastering processes.

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Post by eledoremassis02 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:35 am

kei17 wrote:Here's the trailer in HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYXihDK9sZg
Thank you kei! I am really exited for this, but the colors do seem off :/

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Post by sangofe » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:01 am

Samwize78 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:A new preview aired after the last episode of Toriko. I get the sneaking suspicion the Opening is merely going to be weak key animators. Gah, Yamamuro, if you can't find anyone with talent just do the entire Opening yourself!
The new animation looks great, but I'm starting to see what you guys were talking about with the coloring.
Is that new animation? If so it's really close to the old style!

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