Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Pantalones]

It'd also be a very short fight. XD

Of course, Freeza vs. any Pokémon would be a pretty short fight. None of them are even remotely close to being able to destroy a planet in 5 minutes while they're at half power (or less!) like Freeza did. Even if you think Dialga/Palkia could actually destroy the entire world (rather than just destroying Sinnoh only, or sending the region back in time/reshaping it with their time/space powers), that was when they were forced to go beyond their normal level of power (the Red Chain made them, and it's even commented on in the game that they seem to be in pain during that whole thing... like they're not supposed to even be able to do anything on that level but they're being pushed beyond it and it's hurting/killing them in the process), and it would've taken a hell of a lot longer than five minutes considering that the scenes leading up to the fight, plus the fight itself, will most likely take longer than that. Mewtwo should be around the same level as them, so he wouldn't even be able to scratch Freeza.

(And Mewtwo's psychic powers are of the "throw things around with psychokinetic force" variety, by the way. Don't forget that. Too many people seem to think he can just "mind rape" anyone and win a fight instantly just like that, when he doesn't really even have that sort of ability in the first place.)

[Saiga]

It'd also be a very short fight. XD

Of course, Freeza vs. any Pokémon would be a pretty short fight. None of them are even remotely close to being able to destroy a planet in 5 minutes while they're at half power (or less!) like Freeza did. Even if you think Dialga/Palkia could actually destroy the entire world (rather than just destroying Sinnoh only, or sending the region back in time/reshaping it with their time/space powers), that was when they were forced to go beyond their normal level of power (the Red Chain made them, and it's even commented on in the game that they seem to be in pain during that whole thing... like they're not supposed to even be able to do anything on that level but they're being pushed beyond it and it's hurting/killing them in the process), and it would've taken a hell of a lot longer than five minutes considering that the scenes leading up to the fight, plus the fight itself, will most likely take longer than that. Mewtwo should be around the same level as them, so he wouldn't even be able to scratch Freeza.

(And Mewtwo's psychic powers are of the "throw things around with psychokinetic force" variety, by the way. Don't forget that. Too many people seem to think he can just "mind rape" anyone and win a fight instantly just like that, when he doesn't really even have that sort of ability in the first place.)

In the first Pokemon movie Mewtwo was capable of destroying the world with a Psychic storm. Also Freeza was above 50% when he tried to blow up Namek.

[Bussani]

Also Freeza was above 50% when he tried to blow up Namek.

Was he? When did he start using more than half?

[Drayenko]

Well, just before going 100%, he says he's been using around 70%... That is after he throws the "Death Ball."

[Bussani]

Well, just before going 100%, he says he's been using around 70%... That is after he throws the "Death Ball."

Yeah. In the Viz translation he says he used three quarters of his power in an attack before saying he'll go to full power, but that's after taking out Namek's core. I can't see this line in the Strength Checker thread, but it doesn't seem like something Viz would have made up.

[perucho1990]

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[Haji]

Furiza blew up Planet Vegeta in his weakest form, in a matter of seconds. On Namek, he was just holding back. Just because he was half power or 75%, or whatever, it don't mean he would just put all that into one attack. And remember him saying he could destroy the planet without batting a eye? I think he meant it.

[Saiga]

Furiza blew up Planet Vegeta in his weakest form, in a matter of seconds. On Namek, he was just holding back. Just because he was half power or 75%, or whatever, it don't mean he would just put all that into one attack. And remember him saying he could destroy the planet without batting a eye? I think he meant it.

Well, we didn't see the details of Planet Vegeta's destruction in the manga, it seems odd that he would instantaneously destroy Planet Vegeta and take so long with Namek.

[Bussani]

Well, we didn't see the details of Planet Vegeta's destruction in the manga

He did tell Vegeta that he didn't need to transform at all when he attacked planet Vegeta and fought with the king. I suppose that doesn't necessarily say that he didn't transform afterwards to actually destroy the planet, but some might say it's implied.

it seems odd that he would instantaneously destroy Planet Vegeta and take so long with Namek.

Both he and Goku say it's because he held back too much, with Goku adding that he was afraid of getting caught in the blast.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, we didn't see the details of Planet Vegeta's destruction in the manga

He did tell Vegeta that he didn't need to transform at all when he attacked planet Vegeta and fought with the king. I suppose that doesn't necessarily say that he didn't transform afterwards to actually destroy the planet, but some might say it's implied.

Well, in the flashback that shows Bardock's last stand and Freeza eventually destroying him and Planet Vegeta, it shows him in his first form.

[Haji]

His power level was, 480,000 in his 1st form right? If roughly 15-20,000 can take out a planet, i think 480,000 could too.

And also i thought up 3 types of planet destroy classes.
1. The "integrity destruction". (chain reaction.)
2. Just the surface of the planet.
3. Planet gets completely taken out with one big ki blast.

[Piccolo Daimao]

No, Freeza's battle power in his first form was 530,000.

[Rocketman]

1. The "integrity destruction". (chain reaction.)

Can't happen.

[Haji]

That means hitting the core of the planet and letting it destroy its self. How can that not happen? A good example is the X-wing blowing up the Death Star.

Oh, yeah Furiza's power level was 530,000.

[AgitoZ]

That means hitting the core of the planet and letting it destroy its self. How can that not happen? A good example is the X-wing blowing up the Death Star.

[Rocketman]

The Death Star is also far smaller than any planet and is mostly hollow and has a lot of explosives inside it. Not comparable.

[Haji]

So, no one gets how if a strong ki blast hits a planets core, it would cause the planet to blow up? Man, i learned that from the show its self. How did you guys miss that? That is how Furiza destroyed Namek, remember?

[Bussani]

So, no one gets how if a strong ki blast hits a planets core, it would cause the planet to blow up? Man, i learned that from the show its self. How did you guys miss that? That is how Furiza destroyed Namek, remember?

He's saying it wouldn't work in real life. But I guess ki can do what it wants. I mean, Freeza didn't just shoot it: according to his dialogue, he destroyed the core. Destroyed it how? Where did it go? Why did that cause the planet to explode rather than implode? Ki works in such mysterious ways...

That means hitting the core of the planet and letting it destroy its self. How can that not happen? A good example is the X-wing blowing up the Death Star.

The core of the Death Star is a reactor that puts out enough energy to blow up a planet--something in the range of 10^38 joules per second at best guess. It's like a massive bomb waiting to go off. A planet's core is not.

[Haji]

Yeah i didn't mean it would be an instant explosion. Namek blowing up is weird, I would like to see an updated version were the
planet implodes and falls apart. And about Furiza saying he destroyed the core(i would say he disrupted it), well that could have been due to weird scripts. And yeah, nothing can truly be destroyed, just broken down.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

It'd also be a very short fight. XD

Of course, Freeza vs. any Pokémon would be a pretty short fight. None of them are even remotely close to being able to destroy a planet in 5 minutes while they're at half power (or less!) like Freeza did. Even if you think Dialga/Palkia could actually destroy the entire world (rather than just destroying Sinnoh only, or sending the region back in time/reshaping it with their time/space powers), that was when they were forced to go beyond their normal level of power (the Red Chain made them, and it's even commented on in the game that they seem to be in pain during that whole thing... like they're not supposed to even be able to do anything on that level but they're being pushed beyond it and it's hurting/killing them in the process), and it would've taken a hell of a lot longer than five minutes considering that the scenes leading up to the fight, plus the fight itself, will most likely take longer than that. Mewtwo should be around the same level as them, so he wouldn't even be able to scratch Freeza.

(And Mewtwo's psychic powers are of the "throw things around with psychokinetic force" variety, by the way. Don't forget that. Too many people seem to think he can just "mind rape" anyone and win a fight instantly just like that, when he doesn't really even have that sort of ability in the first place.)

We need to factor the strength of telepathy in here; all Mewtwo would need to do would get a lock on Freeza (Which I have decent confidence to say he could, even with Freeza's speed) and the game is up. Freeza never demonstrates anything beyond the "Throw things with your mind" tricks either.

But Mewtwo is pretty much the only one with a chance in the Z era.