Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Marco Polo]

So I guess it's "Bills" (if they stay consistent in future romanizations)...

[Insertclevername]

Okay, that's fucking awesome...I'd totally get that.

[JeffJarrett]

"Bills" like in "Bells and Whistles".

[Ryuman]

Battle of Gods 3DS Case : *Snip*

Base Goku blacked out and it says God? Hmm....

[JeffJarrett]

Base Goku blacked out and it says God? Hmm....

And Shenron between Bells and Goku, next to the word "God".

[Makaioshin]

Battle of Gods 3DS Case : *Snip*

Base Goku blacked out and it says God? Hmm....

Eh, the other images we got were just silhouettes of old Super Saiyan art.

[FindKenshi]

I mean just looking at that one fan's conversation with Watanabe that's all he was talking about, power levels.

Just because many fans miss the point of the series doesn't mean the rest of us are obliged to humor them.

Basically, DB revolves around action (and gags), but having lots of action is quite different from having a consistant, all-encompassing system for how characters stack up against each other in terms of strength. In fact, these two things are often at odds, because being too strict about power-scaling can get in the way of story-telling. Toriyama says in Ultimate Battle Collection that his ideas about character strength would constantly shift as he was writing the story, and certainly nobody at Toei ever seemed very concerned about consistency in this area either, as has often been noted. They are all primarily concerned with creating exciting battle scenes (and the occasional poop joke), not in portraying some inviolable hierarchy of character strength.

And I think overall DB fans share these priorities. Doesn't the extreme prevelance of DB fighting games versus the comparatively small number of DB RPGs suggest that by and large fans care more about the characters fighting than about detailed systems determining the power relationship between those characters?

All that being said, "power levels" as they were called in the US were one of the most beloved aspects of the show for new fans. It was a main draw to the series, and gave a certain level of satisfaction that you could apply some degree of math to understand how truly incredible a character like Freeza or SSj Goku were. I think MOST fans of Dragonball like power levels, loved the concept of characters actually measuring them with scouters, etc.. they were also used in a few of the games and the like. It's just a cool thing about Dragonball.

[FindKenshi]

"Bills" like in "Bells and Whistles".

Brilliant, if confirmed! Is this true!?

[Chuquita]

Re JeffJarrett:

I didn't realize this ("to" vs "do") until I was away from the phone. ^^; Oh well.

Re: TheRed259

That is a cool case. X3
If this spelling does remain consistant, that means "Billy" is an acceptable nickname for him?
It does make me think of the bird from Strong World (who I also think was nicknamed that).

Re: FindKenshi

That would be cool if it's "bells and whistles". X3

I thought I guessed bells and whistles somewhere back in this thread, but it was shot down because of a vowel thing (the "i" vs the "e" with Birusu)?
I'm not sure, I need to check.

EDIT: Yeah, the guess did happen and was debunked - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... es#p612060

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, I guess Gotenks will transform into a Super Saiyan 3 in the movie after all.

[JeffJarrett]

"Bills" like in "Bells and Whistles".

Brilliant, if confirmed! Is this true!?

Yeah, DBZ returns with bells and whistles!!
"Bells" links to Bills due to Cat Bells, and both link to music and Whis who conducts an orchestra during his "Prelude to Destruction" super attack in Dragon Ball Heroes.
Also, I don't know why but Whis' clothes reminds me that of a conductor, and his hairstyle is also reminiscent of notes:



Whis' head and hair based on this?!!

[JulieYBM]

Nice theory, but it's not confirmed.

[sintzu]

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7703/45061914.jpg

So, I guess Gotenks will transform into a Super Saiyan 3 in the movie after all.

and assj Vegeta

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Piccolo, Gotenks, and Vegeta are probably just stock art, so I wouldn't put much... stock into them.

[Herms]

Julian and I went over this earlier in the thread, but "bells and whistles" doesn't really work for the duo's name pun; it seems semi-plausible in English, but the kana spellings aren't very close, even for pun purposes.

Edit: Here we are:

Seems like a real stretch. "Bell" in Japanese is ベル/beru rather than ビル/biru. And yeah, a pun doesn't have to be the same as its source, but ビ/bi for ベ/be doesn't seem like a particularly natural substitution in Japanese. You could just as well claim the character's name is a pun on "bull" and that they swapped in ビ/bi for ブ/bu.

I also don't think too many Japanese people would be familiar with the expression "bells and whistles". Of course, maybe they were trying to go for something obscure, but combined with "Birusu" not being very close to "bell" I think this isn't a very likely source for the name.

And also, "whistle" is ホイッスル/hoissuru in Japanese (which nearly always preserves the "wh-" sound that's fallen out of use among most English-speakers), making things even less likely.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7703/45061914.jpg

So, I guess Gotenks will transform into a Super Saiyan 3 in the movie after all.

and assj Vegeta

That's not Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta.

[sintzu]

That's not Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta.

Since when are normal ssj Vegeta's muscles that big?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They are not that big. Even his hairstyle doesn't match.

[Marco Polo]

That looks like ASSJ Vegeta to me. He even has the veins on his forehead. But I doubt this form will actually appear in the film. As said above they probably just used stock art.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7703/45061914.jpg

So, I guess Gotenks will transform into a Super Saiyan 3 in the movie after all.

and assj Vegeta

I think you're looking too much into it. Also, Ass jin Vegeta?! I kid, I kid...