"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

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Re: "DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:48 pm

RazorX wrote:The sound effects helped make the Ginyu entrance more "dramatic" per say.:
So then my question is still valid: do you think that FUNimation should have went against all dubbing standards and started adding in new sound effects that weren't in the Japanese original?

Are you holding it against FUNimation for straight up dubbing the Japanese show? If you had claimed to like it better than the original Japanese version that'd be one thing, but saying that it's better than FUNimation's version because they didn't add sound effects is just baffling...
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Post by G1Ravage » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:51 pm

How on earth could that audio have gotten out already?

Can't wait to hear them speaking. R. Bruce Elliot might be a great choice for Commander Ginyu, judging from what I've heard of his Whitebeard.

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Post by RazorX » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:57 pm

So far I'm a bit disappointed in FUNimation's Ginyu Tokusentai voices. They should've recasted Reccome, Burter sounds way more comical than he needs to and Jeice's voice is unexpectedly high pitch.

If Sabat was desperate to keep a Ginyu force role, it should've been Jeice. Recoome is the worst choice he could've picked.

I didn't watch Funi's 2005 redub so I won't properly judge Funi's old Guldo voice but the new one seems fine, it shows potential.

At the moment the only voice that reasonably stands out better than what Funi had before is Captain Ginyu.

But of course we need to watch the next episode for more material. Like we did for Freeza's new voice.

The Japanese insert song is better than Funi's dubbed version.

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Post by penguintruth » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:59 pm

Ishtar318 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:I doubt that's legit if there's the time clock thing there.

Anyway, you're not going to get much of an impression of their new voices based on just them introducing themselves. It's tomorrow's episode you should be anxious about.
Actually, it is legit. I recorded the audio then synced it to the Japanese video. The full episode is here, but apparently it's not working for everyone
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http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... -full.html
Oh.

Well, then, it is pretty good. I just hope Recoome won't be all DERPADERP again. That will RUIN this entire portion of the story.
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Post by Mewzard » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:03 pm

RazorX wrote:So far I'm a bit disappointed in FUNimation's Ginyu Tokusentai voices. They should've recasted Reccome, Burter sounds way more comical than he needs to and Jeice's voice is unexpectedly high pitch.

If Sabat was desperate to keep a Ginyu force role, it should've been Jeice. Recoome is the worst choice he could've picked.

I didn't watch Funi's 2005 redub so I won't properly judge Funi's old Guldo voice but the new one seems fine, it shows potential.

At the moment the only voice that reasonably stands out better than what Funi had before is Captain Ginyu.

But of course we need to watch the next episode for more material. Like we did for Freeza's new voice.

The Japanese insert song is better than Funi's dubbed version.
What insert? They didn't insert the song. They only inserted Tokusentai. This fits the cheesiness of the original more than what little the Japanese song had in the show.

and Brice Armstrong was an AWESOME Captain Ginyu, the new voice is fine, but Ginyu was the best of the old dub Ginyu voices by far.
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Post by penguintruth » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:08 pm

I can't believe they censored the anti-beer message. It was ANTI-beer!
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by El Diabeetus » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:10 pm

Yeah, some of the credits were completely wrong. Did you know Monica Rial is Freeza now or that Chris Ayres voices Dende?

Yeah, I'd wait to see who voices Jeice. The rest of the Ginyu Force credits seem correct though.

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Post by GizmoKSX » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:14 pm

penguintruth wrote:I can't believe they censored the anti-beer message. It was ANTI-beer!
Yeah, didn't even the Saban-era censors leave that intact?
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Post by penguintruth » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:17 pm

GizmoKSX wrote:
penguintruth wrote:I can't believe they censored the anti-beer message. It was ANTI-beer!
Yeah, didn't even the Saban-era censors leave that intact?
Yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4uLkaR8Qkg&NR=1

(Love Peter Kelamis in this.)
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Post by RazorX » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:20 pm

Metalwario64 wrote: So then my question is still valid: do you think that FUNimation should have went against all dubbing standards and started adding in new sound effects that weren't in the Japanese original?
To be honest I don't trust FUNimation when it comes to adding in extra sound effects. I was talking about the Ocean Version. Since I know what they are capable of, if you phrase the question as to whether Ocean sound add in extra sound effects, my answer is yes, because they've done it before and many times it enhanced the scenes in question. (For example, "shocked" scenes which rapidly change to show characters' shocked expressions, the sound effects Ocean adds makes it so much better than the other versions, it really draws you into the scenes) On the other hand, to answer your question as to whether Funimation should add in extra sound effects, I'm leaning towards no.
Are you holding it against FUNimation for straight up dubbing the Japanese show?
Calm down. I was only commenting on one scene. You may have seen my criticisms of FUNimation's previous dubs but when it comes to Kai, they're doing a much better job than what they've done before. Funi's Kai dub Ginyu scene felt a bit lacking due to the voices more than lack of effects ( I wasn't even expecting added sound effects in Funi's version) But one factor was my expectation. After hearing how good the new voices of Zarbon and Dodoria were, I was perhaps expecting equally, if not better, recasts for the Ginyu force. Needless to say we need to watch the next episode to draw fuller conclusions but these are my initial impressions.
If you had claimed to like it better than the original Japanese version that'd be one thing, but saying that it's better than FUNimation's version because they didn't add sound effects is just baffling...
So it's OK to say it's better than the Japanese version but not FUNimation's version?

The Ocean version is better, and that is more to do with the voices than lack of sfx in Funi's dub. The Ocean voices sound more maniacal and threatening, not to mention they have more effort put in them. The sfx helps Ocean's scene. If adding in sfx adds to the enjoyment or atmosphere, as it did in Ocean's version, then I'd say it's a good thing.
Mewzard wrote:What insert? They didn't insert the song. They only inserted Tokusentai. This fits the cheesiness of the original more than what little the Japanese song had in the show.
That is what I meant. The Japanese "Tokusentai" vocal fit the scene better than the "Ginyu force rules" vocal. The dub version is cheesier but it doesn't make it better.
and Brice Armstrong was an AWESOME Captain Ginyu, the new voice is fine, but Ginyu was the best of the old dub Ginyu voices by far.
Brice was quite good but Dale Kelly and Richard Newman were better. Compare how Dale and Brice say "You're a...Super Saiyan" & "I'm the great Captain Ginyu" Dale put much more effort than Brice, and those aren't the only scenes.

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Post by Kirbopher » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:29 pm

Jeice - Jason Liebricht

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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:31 pm

Jason Liebricht, eh? It does sound a bit like Lavi...
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Post by G1Ravage » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:32 pm

The real cast list:

Jheese: Jason Liebrecht
ReaCoom: Christopher Sabat
Butta: Vic Mignogna
Ginyu: R. Bruce Elliot
Ghurd: Greg Ayres
Grand Elder: Bill Jenkins

Interestingly, in the credits, it says "GRAND ELDER (GURU)".

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Post by Sketch » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:34 pm

Jason Liebrecht for Jheese is a great choice.

Sabat really shouldn't be Reacoom anymore but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Looking forward to tomorrow when we can get a much better idea of how the performances are.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:43 pm

RazorX wrote:So it's OK to say it's better than the Japanese version but not FUNimation's version?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you are criticizing FUNi's dub for not adding sound effects, when they weren't even there in the original, and are making it out as a flaw in FUNimation's version alone, whether intentional or not, when they are sticking true to the source material. Adding sound effects is not what a dub is supposed to do.
RazorX wrote:The Ocean version is better, and that is more to do with the voices than lack of sfx in Funi's dub.
It's not a "lack of sound effects in FUNi's dub", its a lack of sound effects in the original, and FUNimation was more accurate and true to the original by not adding in random sounds that weren't present in the original.
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Post by Mewzard » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:44 pm

I agree, you can't fault Funi for being faithful. And I preferred Brice Armstrong's Ginyu to the other Ginyu VAs.
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Post by Mountain » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:56 pm

Not much to go by yet, but disappointing nonetheless. Anyone else notice that they are now pronouncing "Guldo" as (Ghoul-do) rather than the older (Gold-do)? I was really hoping for Gurd, though.

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Post by Mewzard » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:01 pm

Mountain wrote:Not much to go by yet, but disappointing nonetheless. Anyone else notice that they are now pronouncing "Guldo" as (Ghoul-do) rather than the older (Gold-do)? I was really hoping for Gurd, though.
There are too many lipflaps to just say Gurd. You've not only got to translate when dubbing, but you've got to keep up with lipflaps, which can be tough at times.
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Post by Mountain » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:05 pm

Mewzard wrote:
Mountain wrote:Not much to go by yet, but disappointing nonetheless. Anyone else notice that they are now pronouncing "Guldo" as (Ghoul-do) rather than the older (Gold-do)? I was really hoping for Gurd, though.
There are too many lipflaps to just say Gurd. You've not only got to translate when dubbing, but you've got to keep up with lipflaps, which can be tough at times.
It's all in the script-writing (which is never entirely accurate, anyway). Also, this didn't stop them from changing Tenshinhan (3 syllables) to "Tien" (2)...
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Post by RazorX » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:06 pm

Metalwario64 wrote: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you are criticizing FUNi's dub for not adding sound effects,
No I wasn't. I was praising the Ocean dub for adding them, there's a difference.

What I did say was that I don't trust FUNimation with adding in sfx, however if they did and it worked, good for them.
when they weren't even there in the original, and are making it out as a flaw in FUNimation's version alone, whether intentional or not, when they are sticking true to the source material. Adding sound effects is not what a dub is supposed to do.
I didn't say Funimation not adding in sfx was a flaw, my main comparison was with the voices, Ocean's added sfx enhanced their dub but even if they didn't add them, my conclusion would be the same, the Ocean dub of the scene is better than the FUNimation dub.
It's not a "lack of sound effects in FUNi's dub", its a lack of sound effects in the original, and FUNimation was more accurate and true to the original by not adding in random sounds that weren't present in the original.
Random? I doubt it. Ocean's sfx gave a more dramatic feel to the scene, it added more weight to Ginyu Tokusentai's arrival.

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