Unpopular DB opinions

[Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw]

Personally, I quite like that episode. But I do get your point on how annoying Mr. Satan could be, in the frequency he showed up in the Cell Games episodes. They really did beat that joke into the ground. Still, episode-padding filler. What can you do?

Fair enough. It's actually kind of relieving to hear that someone likes that episode. Me, I like all the episodes where young Gohan is training in the wilderness. I think they're really cute. And Gohan is a super likable character, so I don't get tired of him. I think that's why I didn't like the episode with Satan's pupils. I don't like the characters, so I don't want to spend a whole episode with them.

Now, see, ironically enough, the Gohan in the wilderness episodes are the ones I don't like. But, hey, different horses for different courses. One man's fun bit of a filler, can be another's annoying waste of time, but that other man's cute character development can be the first man's overly long sequences of a kid crying for Mommy. Sure, it's realistic that Gohan would be the way he is, during those episodes, buuuuuut that's just me. I personally couldn't take hearing Gohan crying over and over. I will admit it's realistic, like I said, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Still, you like those episodes, then more power to you. Just not my particular cup of tea.

Speaking more on topic again, but still keeping with what I was on about... I personally find the "Gokuu learns to drive" episode a little overrated. Sure, it's fun, but I don't personally have the same love for it that most people seem to. Again, nothing wrong if you yourself like it, just ain't to my tastes.

[Gonstead]

Speaking more on topic again, but still keeping with what I was on about... I personally find the "Gokuu learns to drive" episode a little overrated. Sure, it's fun, but I don't personally have the same love for it that most people seem to. Again, nothing wrong if you yourself like it, just ain't to my tastes.

Personally, I see that very episode that I think all fans could agree on being good no matter which dub/version it is presented in.

I actually think the English dub's added humor helped that episode be funnier than it should be in a good way.

[DBZ Mick]

Dunno how the Boo arc is any worse than the others in the "no Saiyan = no importance" aspect.

I agree. Ultimately the Artifical Human/Cell arc had it too. Vegeta annoyed me just as much as people find Goten and Trunks annoying.
The Boo arc was more enjoyable too.

I actually have barely seen any of the Garlic Jr arc OR that driving episode.

I do agree the Saiyan arc has the best use of the cast. It's one of my favourites for those reasons.

[Attitudefan]

I loved Budokai's 2 story mode; it was fresh, it did not retread the manga/anime and the English cast actually had excellent acting in it! It was just an awesome game with an awesome Kenji soundtrack. Cannot beat that DBZ game! (it was my first to own as well).

I causally rewatch Dragonball from episode 1 to the end of the Freeza battle but I am not big on what comes after. The first half is better than the second (and I place the second half at the end of the freeza arc due to the extreme change in the main cast/story).

[Zephyr]

It was to the point where it's almost as though the Saiyan's own carelessness was their enemy rather than Majin Boo himself. In the previous arc, which started the whole Saiyan dominance there was at least still a great wall for them to overcome. In the Boo arc, they just kept jumping it and jumping it until they came across the thinnest wall possible.

The Artificial Humans arc was also rife with Saiyan carelessness. Not killing Gero immediately after Trunks' warning, Vegeta allowing Cell to reach his Perfect form, Gohan not finishing Cell of due to being a cocky little shit, etc.

Anyways in the Saiyan Saga, everyone got to chip in and play their roles. No one was truly above the other. Out of all story arcs, it had the best overall use of a cast.

A lot of characters got to play distinct roles, but a lot of other characters' roles were to just be villain fodder. The Buu arc also had plenty of character take on distinct roles, and had other characters play villain fodder.

Though I'll definitely agree that the Saiyan arc made better use of the cast than any other arc.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

The humans never reaching 1,000,000 is apparently an unpopular opinion that I have. I just got ass raped by someone on another Forum who was deliberately ignoring Daizenshuu levels just to prove his point about high human levels.

[Nazi Cola]

The humans never reaching 1,000,000 is apparently an unpopular opinion that I have. I just got ass raped by someone on another Forum who was deliberately ignoring Daizenshuu levels just to prove his point about high human levels.

We all ignore things from the guidebooks. You can't take every single thing from them at face value, unlike the manga.

[DBZAOTA482]

It was to the point where it's almost as though the Saiyan's own carelessness was their enemy rather than Majin Boo himself. In the previous arc, which started the whole Saiyan dominance there was at least still a great wall for them to overcome. In the Boo arc, they just kept jumping it and jumping it until they came across the thinnest wall possible.

The Artificial Humans arc was also rife with Saiyan carelessness. Not killing Gero immediately after Trunks' warning, Vegeta allowing Cell to reach his Perfect form, Gohan not finishing Cell of due to being a cocky little shit, etc.

First, they had three years of prep time so they thought they would have more than enough strength to prevent the fruitions of Dr. Gero's plans while having a good fight in the end (and it's no different from when Goku spared Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga). Second, Cell was egging Vegeta on and the others were trying to prevent Cell from reaching perfection (ultimately, Cell's cunningness caused it). Thirdly, Gohan was driven by a negative emotion while at SSJ2.

What really makes it stupid in the Majin Boo Saga is because the villain is a threat at a far greater margin and they do it a total of 7 times...in a very uncharacteristic fashion. It's not tight writing, just an excuse to prolong it.

[CaBrPi]

It was to the point where it's almost as though the Saiyan's own carelessness was their enemy rather than Majin Boo himself. In the previous arc, which started the whole Saiyan dominance there was at least still a great wall for them to overcome. In the Boo arc, they just kept jumping it and jumping it until they came across the thinnest wall possible.

The Artificial Humans arc was also rife with Saiyan carelessness. Not killing Gero immediately after Trunks' warning, Vegeta allowing Cell to reach his Perfect form, Gohan not finishing Cell of due to being a cocky little shit, etc.

First, they had three years of prep time so they thought they would have more than enough strength to prevent the fruitions of Dr. Gero's plans while having a good fight in the end (and it's no different from when Goku spared Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga). Second, Cell was egging Vegeta on and the others were trying to prevent Cell from reaching perfection (ultimately, Cell's cunningness caused it). Thirdly, Gohan was driven by a negative emotion while at SSJ2.

What really makes it stupid in the Majin Boo Saga is because the villain is a threat at a far greater margin and they do it a total of 7 times...in a very uncharacteristic fashion. It's not tight writing, just an excuse to prolong it.

No. They ALL knew it was a huge gamble. It was far more about "warrior's pride" than it was "preventing the fruitions of Dr. Gero's plans". And who cares if Cell was egging Vegeta on? It's no more Cell's "cunning" (which he had largely lost since transforming IMO) than it is Vegeta's damned idiot pride getting the better of him again. And Gohan has never before been one to make someone suffer during a fit of rage. Up until that point it was always KILL KILL KILL.

But perhaps this is better suited to its own thread, yes?

[Saimaroimaru]

Vegeta's desire to show off his power and then get his butt kicked later on and leave it to the other warriors to clean up the mess is the reason why I dislike him. Akira used him as a tool to extend the story more or to make the villains last longer. Goading Frieza into transforming when he should of just worked with Gohan and Krillin to defeat Frieza while he was in his first form. Letting Cell reach perfect form when he could of swatted him like a fly. Letting his desire to beat Goku override his logic in which the ensuing battle with Goku resulted in Buu getting out of his pod(Supreme Kai had a hand in this but they could of afterwards killed Dabura and then kill little alien wizard man(forgot how to spell his name) and did whatever was necessary do deal with the Buu pod. Shocked the guy didn't get fully absorbed by Buu.

[Ringworm128]

Just for the record it's spelt Babidi B.a.b.i.d.i. Some people also spell it as Bobidi.

[Saiga]

The humans never reaching 1,000,000 is apparently an unpopular opinion that I have. I just got ass raped by someone on another Forum who was deliberately ignoring Daizenshuu levels just to prove his point about high human levels.

It may be unpopular, but you're not alone! I also believe that.

@DBZAOTA The Android/Cell arc are just as bad. Even if you come up with excuses for your actions, it doesn't change that things are the exact way you described the Boo arc: It's the Saiyan's own carelessness that was their enemy.

[DBZAOTA482]

First, they had three years of prep time so they thought they would have more than enough strength to prevent the fruitions of Dr. Gero's plans while having a good fight in the end (and it's no different from when Goku spared Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga). Second, Cell was egging Vegeta on and the others were trying to prevent Cell from reaching perfection (ultimately, Cell's cunningness caused it). Thirdly, Gohan was driven by a negative emotion while at SSJ2.

What really makes it stupid in the Majin Boo Saga is because the villain is a threat at a far greater margin and they do it a total of 7 times...in a very uncharacteristic fashion. It's not tight writing, just an excuse to prolong it.

No. They ALL knew it was a huge gamble. It was far more about "warrior's pride" than it was "preventing the fruitions of Dr. Gero's plans". And who cares if Cell was egging Vegeta on? It's no more Cell's "cunning" (which he had largely lost since transforming IMO) than it is Vegeta's damned idiot pride getting the better of him again. And Gohan has never before been one to make someone suffer during a fit of rage. Up until that point it was always KILL KILL KILL.

But perhaps this is better suited to its own thread, yes?

1. Maybe Vegeta but I don't think the others would willingly put the world at stake purely for the sake of a good fight (I mean, Goku socked Dr. Gero in the jaw when he was destroying stuff. How can you say he doesn't care).

2. Trunks could have stopped him but Cell used Taioyken.

3. It was quiet rage. Goku acted the same when he first reached SSJ, his Saiyan side superseded other aspects of his character and he wanted to humiliate Freeza.

@DBZAOTA The Android/Cell arc are just as bad. Even if you come up with excuses for your actions, it doesn't change that things are the exact way you described the Boo arc: It's the Saiyan's own carelessness that was their enemy.

In the Android/Cell arc, it happened 3 or 4 times mainly because Cell was egging his opponents on plus Cell didn't have interest in universal conquest or anything, he just wanted to be the perfect warrior. In the Boo arc, it's the sole reason for why it's so long and it's played dead straight for the most parts. Not justified or anything. That's my problem. That and Kaioshin's prattle.

[Zephyr]

1. Maybe Vegeta but I don't think the others would willingly put the world at stake purely for the sake of a good fight (I mean, Goku socked Dr. Gero in the jaw when he was destroying stuff. How can you say he doesn't care).

2. Trunks could have stopped him but Cell used Taioyken.

3. It was quiet rage. Goku acted the same when he first reached SSJ, his Saiyan side superseded other aspects of his character and he wanted to humiliate Freeza.

1. Goku was in full agreement with Vegeta.

2. Doesn't make Vegeta's actions not careless.

3. "I learned it from you, dad!" Wanting to humiliate or piss off a dangerously powerful villain is still extremely careless. They tend to resort to some pretty drastic shit, like trying to blow the planet up. Like Freeza did, when Goku pissed him off too much. Or Cell tried to do, when Gohan pushed him into a corner. Or Buu did, when Vegetto didn't just think "I could kill Buu and revive everyone!"

[DBZAOTA482]

1. Maybe Vegeta but I don't think the others would willingly put the world at stake purely for the sake of a good fight (I mean, Goku socked Dr. Gero in the jaw when he was destroying stuff. How can you say he doesn't care).

2. Trunks could have stopped him but Cell used Taioyken.

3. It was quiet rage. Goku acted the same when he first reached SSJ, his Saiyan side superseded other aspects of his character and he wanted to humiliate Freeza.

1. Goku was in full agreement with Vegeta.

2. Doesn't make Vegeta's actions not careless.

3. "I learned it from you, dad!" Wanting to humiliate or piss off a dangerously powerful villain is still extremely careless. They tend to resort to some pretty drastic shit, like trying to blow the planet up. Like Freeza did, when Goku pissed him off too much. Or Cell tried to do, when Gohan pushed him into a corner. Or Buu did, when Vegetto didn't just think "I could kill Buu and revive everyone!"

1. "I dunno, I kinda wanna fight 'em too and besides Dr Gero hasn't build anything wrong yet so why attack?". Nowhere once did Goku say he would kill anyone who objectified.

2. Yeah but that's not necessarily the point I was getting across.

3. Where do you get this stuff? I don't recall him saying that.

[Zephyr]

1. "I dunno, I kinda wanna fight 'em too and besides Dr Gero hasn't build anything wrong yet so why attack?". Nowhere once did Goku say he would kill anyone who objectified.

3. Where do you get this stuff? I don't recall him saying that.

1. Still incredibly careless for the sake of even allowing the arc to happen.

3. He didn't, I was poking fun at the idea that his dad doing it justifies him doing it.

[Godo]

Goku cared more for Vegeta's feelings and his innate fighting spirit than for the safety of the Earth, to the point that he fought Vegeta as a SSJ2 and thus Buu was released.
Saiya-jins are selfish and unable to fight their urges.

[Saiga]

In the Android/Cell arc, it happened 3 or 4 times mainly because Cell was egging his opponents on plus Cell didn't have interest in universal conquest or anything, he just wanted to be the perfect warrior. In the Boo arc, it's the sole reason for why it's so long and it's played dead straight for the most parts. Not justified or anything. That's my problem. That and Kaioshin's prattle.

But it's the sole reason the Android/Cell arc happened in the first place.

[KingofWisdom]

The Cell saga is mainly just good for the action. Of all the sagas, I like it the least. At least with the Buu saga, Vegeta letting Babidi awaken his powers to fight Goku and inadvertently revive Buu makes sense. The Cell saga only happens because the Z-Fighters are stupid.

[DBZAOTA482]

The Cell saga is mainly just good for the action. Of all the sagas, I like it the least. At least with the Buu saga, Vegeta letting Babidi awaken his powers to fight Goku and inadvertently revive Buu makes sense. The Cell saga only happens because the Z-Fighters are stupid.

Ironically, the Majin Boo Saga happened because both Kaioshin and Goku were stupid (Goku could have just knocked Vegeta out while at SSJ3). The Artificial Humans, on the other hand, weren't immediate threats like Boo. In Trunks' timeline, they came completely out of the blue and killed everyone on the spot but in the main timeline, they had three years of prep time and made sure to at least build up the strength to prevent the fruition of Dr. Gero's plans (except Vegeta).