Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[MagicBox]

I'd forgotten that Bulma hasn't seen Freeza yet!

(Well, except for that five-second period when Trunks was slicing him to pieces...)

It's mysteries like these that make me put stock in MagicBox's (I thought it was MagicBox's, could be wrong.) wish re-written universe 7 theory.

I can't take credit for it. There are other forum members pondering the exact same idea.

I'm just a jerk who won't shut up about it.

But yeah, based on what we know and who we have (and haven't) seen, I can't help but think that the wish alters history. The events following the Saiyan Arc are changed, effectively erasing Goten, Trunks, Marron, Bra, and Pan from existence. Still doesn't explain why we haven't seen Yamcha and Chaozu, though...

[Chuquita]

Thread's been so long I can't remember who originally thought it up. ^^;

Re: Yamcha and Chaozu

Maybe they're dead in this version of Uni 7? Not to be morbid. Events unfolded in a way that they couldn't be wished back?

[Tennessaiyan]

Will Blooma actually be able to see Freeza this time? Third time's the charm, right?

That thought has crossed my mind as well.

I'm thinking that this time, she will have a front row seat. I've had this idea going on in my mind for months of a hostage situation, where Bulma would be kidnapped by some of Frieza's henchmen. However, that idea has morphed a little since it was announced that she will be participating in the battle. I think there's a good chance that she'll get hurt or put into some sort of danger, triggering rage boost Vegeta.

[Bullza]

If they're that weak it makes you wonder why Piccolo couldn't just do another explosive wave and kill them all in one go. If it also gets that serious that Gohan has to turn into a Super Saiyan then why is Roshi even there?

I'm assuming Gohan and Piccolo are taking care of Sorbet and Tagoma.

Which would raise the question that if those two are somehow strong enough to give Piccolo and Super Saiyan Gohan a run for their money then why even bother reviving Frieza who would be much weaker than them originally.

[Bullza]

Oh and if they did go with this alternate history storyline then perhaps in this new timeline Master Roshi continued training and his power level is in the (ten's of) thousands and he became a Z Fighter himself.

It'd explain why he'd be able to defeat Frieza's men and why he suddenly got involved in the action having not done so since King Piccolo.

It'd be a good way of bringing him back to relevance as a fighter.

[Chuquita]

It could also explain Gohan's ssj (maybe he never met the old kaioshin in this version), and explain that because history happened differently, the rest of the cast also have different levels of strength than they would otherwise. The humans could be way stronger in this history for various reasons and be able to keep up with Freeza's army. (Or both sides are weaker all around; we don't know.)

[Tennessaiyan]

It could also explain Gohan's ssj (maybe he never met the old kaioshin in this version), and explain that because history happened differently, the rest of the cast also have different levels of strength than they would otherwise. The humans could be way stronger in this history for various reasons and be able to keep up with Freeza's army. (Or both sides are weaker all around; we don't know.)

Oh man, I forgot about that! I' was aware of the fan discontent with Gohan turning ssj again, and all the while it didn't even dawn on me that this too could be tied into a changed history. But then again, he did go super in BOG when they did the ritual though, so... hmm.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't buy into the AH theory since it sounds unlikely. I think Freeza got wish back then got stronger by training then got the power of god ki. Thus making him stronger then Beerus.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder how many times Toriyama has to have his continuity and designs corrected because he forgot things again?

[Bullza]

Does an alternate timeline make sense with Piccolo's comment about Frieza coming back and being stronger than ever though?

[Gyt Kaliba]

The training thing is the biggest thing that makes me doubt the alternate history theory probably. If he's already getting an alternate universe where he never lost, then what's the point of his training? Unless he somehow knows that Goku and Vegeta weren't affected by the wish?

[KentalSSJ6]

I wonder how many times Toriyama has to have his continuity and designs corrected because he forgot things again?

Be glad its good ol hardass Torishima and not some random editor that just ok's everything.

[Doctor.]

Regarding SSJ Gohan, it has only been a year, how could have they forgotten about something that gathered so much attention that they had to change it? Perhaps Toriyama is gonna remove the "ultimate" state for good in this movie to avoid complexity (even though it's a simple, easy to remember thing).

[TheGmGoken]

Does an alternate timeline make sense with Piccolo's comment about Freeza coming back and being stronger than ever though?

The events can still happen. But only with people who was on Namek( Or King Kai's). Roshi can be a throwback though.

Regarding SSJ Gohan, it has only been a year, how could have they forgotten about something that gathered so much attention that they had to change it? Perhaps Toriyama is gonna remove the "ultimate" state for good in this movie to avoid complexity (even though it's a simple, easy to remember thing).

I not the first nor last time it'll happen. It's a running gag now. Perhaps Gold truly means stronger

[Chuquita]

The training thing is the biggest thing that makes me doubt the alternate history theory probably. If he's already getting an alternate universe where he never lost, then what's the point of his training? Unless he somehow knows that Goku and Vegeta weren't affected by the wish?

Best I've got is:
Freeza was training in hell before Tagoma and Sorbet hatched their plan to wish him back. Maybe he was originally training to grow strong enough to overpower the MomoClo Angels who were tasked with keeping him trapped/tortured down there and escape hell on his own?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Best I've got is:
Freeza was training in hell before Tagoma and Sorbet hatched their plan to wish him back. Maybe he was originally training to grow strong enough to overpower the MomoClo Angels who were tasked with keeping him trapped/tortured down there and escape hell on his own?

Huh...I guess that could work, actually. Nothing says the training actually has to be related to his massive gains in power/getting godly ki (presumably), and in fact that would be the kind of misleading thing I could see them mentioning early on like they did.

Does an alternate timeline make sense with Piccolo's comment about Freeza coming back and being stronger than ever though?

As much as I'm still unsure on this alternate history idea myself, the line could still fit, I guess, if the alternate history involves everyone on Earth having faced Freeza once before, somehow surviving but not winning by any means, and Freeza now coming back stronger than he was before.

[Bullza]

Maybe he was originally training to grow strong enough to overpower the MomoClo Angels who were tasked with keeping him trapped/tortured down there and escape hell on his own?

Shouldn't Frieza not have a body to actually train while in Hell though? When people die they become a cloud. Goku and other heroes get to keep their body. Piccolo told Vegeta he wouldn't keep his body but did because King Yemma made an exception thinking he could be useful in dealing with Buu.

Frieza should just be a cloud though who wouldn't even be able to train unless he somehow had a body which would just raise the question of how and why.

[singsing]

The training thing is the biggest thing that makes me doubt the alternate history theory probably. If he's already getting an alternate universe where he never lost, then what's the point of his training? Unless he somehow knows that Goku and Vegeta weren't affected by the wish?

Best I've got is:
Freeza was training in hell before Tagoma and Sorbet hatched their plan to wish him back. Maybe he was originally training to grow strong enough to overpower the MomoClo Angels who were tasked with keeping him trapped/tortured down there and escape hell on his own?

So are you also going with "Freeza kept his body as special punishment"?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think it'd be funnier if he tried to train as a soul, and that resulted in massive gains once he regained his body.

Seriously though, the altered history thing doesn't even seem plausible to me because it likely wouldn't stick by the end of the film and would likely just mean more complicated stuff for Toriyama to keep track of if/when we get the next film. He already commented on all the time travel stuff being hard to keep track of back during the Cell Arc, I don't see him doing that to himself again.

[Herms]

Shouldn't Freeza not have a body to actually train while in Hell though? When people die they become a cloud. Goku and other heroes get to keep their body. Piccolo told Vegeta he wouldn't keep his body but did because King Yemma made an exception thinking he could be useful in dealing with Buu.

That is indeed the way things are presented in the manga. The anime contradicts this by repeatedly showing dead villains hanging out and causing trouble in Hell, even though both manga and anime have Goku says that "bad guys like Cell" don't keep their bodies after they die. It wouldn't surprise me if Toriyama is going to contradict it himself with this movie. We still don't know for sure, but that seems to be where the signs are pointing. For hand-wavey explanations, there's the idea singsing mentioned about Freeza getting a body in Hell specifically so that he could be suitably punished. It still seems to go against Goku's statement about bad guys like Cell not getting to keep their bodies, but maybe Freeza's just extra super bad enough for them to make an exception. Although handing out a body to somebody a gazillion times stronger than you so that you can punish them seems like a recipe for disaster.

I'd forgotten that Bulma hasn't seen Freeza yet!

(Well, except for that five-second period when Trunks was slicing him to pieces...)

She apparently doesn't even get a look at Mecha Freeza's death. She wonders how everyone knows Freeza's been killed, and thinks they must have really good eyesight (when in reality they all just sensed Freeza's ki vanish).