Unpopular DB opinions

[Saiga]

I just started thinking. In regards to the more "controversial" in-universe debates, like "Was Gohan SSj2 against Dabura?", "Evil Buu vs Pure Buu", "Ultimate Gohan vs SSj3 Goku", and the like, which side in those debates are the more popular ones, and which are the more unpopular ones?

In no way trying to spark any of those debates here, but I was curious as to what the majority and minority were in them.

I think they are usually:

1 - He was Super Saiyan 1

2 - Evil Boo is stronger

3 - Gohan is stronger

At least, around here that is. I am inclined to believe more casual fans would be led to believe Pure Boo and Goku were stronger, for instance.

[RandomGuy96]

I rooted for Freeza when he beat Vegeta to death, and I was disappointed when he came back.

I liked to actually consider certain movies canon (not that Dragon Ball really has a canon, but whatever) because Piccolo isn't overshadowed in the first few (Cooler's Revenge and Dead Zone are some of his finest moments), Gohan continues to be Earth's defender in 9 and 10, and the side characters get something to do in 11.

I believe that the Southern Supreme Kai was stronger than SS3 Goku.

[soduh2]

I like the funimation dub better than the original japanese. Mostly because of the voice actors, I loathe the Japanese voice actors especially Goku/Gohan/Goten/Bardock. I like Vegeta's japanese voice though, he's an exception.

(the H-word)(s) is a better fit for "Mark's" character than Mr. Satan. Even if we accept "well he's a wrestler and that's his wrestler name" is he supposed to be playing a villain character in his matches? It doesn't make sense for the "world's savior" hero to have that name.

Maybe he started out as a heel.

That's a good point, though I doubt Toriyama put that much thought behind it. Even if we accept the "Mr. Satin" explanation, it seems self defeating. The name is a huge mess IMO.

[penguintruth]

(the H-word)(s) is a better fit for "Mark's" character than Mr. Satan. Even if we accept "well he's a wrestler and that's his wrestler name" is he supposed to be playing a villain character in his matches? It doesn't make sense for the "world's savior" hero to have that name.

1) Mr. Satan is not a wrestler. Unless you call what they do at the Tenkaichi Budoukai "wrestling".

2) He's only the world's savior after Cell's defeat. Before then he was just the combat sports champion.

3) Why would "Mr. Satan" be a heel name? Toriyama is simply going with a theme. Japanese folks don't give two craps about Judeo-Christian theology. They just think it looks/sounds kind of neat. Do Hell's Angels worship the devil? No. They're just a badass biker gang club. "Mr. Satan" is supposed to make the character seem like he has a badass name but is in fact not all that badass. That, as they say, is the joke.

Viewing/reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

[soduh2]

(the H-word)(s) is a better fit for "Mark's" character than Mr. Satan. Even if we accept "well he's a wrestler and that's his wrestler name" is he supposed to be playing a villain character in his matches? It doesn't make sense for the "world's savior" hero to have that name.

1) Mr. Satan is not a wrestler. Unless you call what they do at the Tenkaichi Budoukai "wrestling".

2) He's only the world's savior after Cell's defeat. Before then he was just the combat sports champion.

3) Why would "Mr. Satan" be a heel name? Toriyama is simply going with a theme. Japanese folks don't give two craps about Judeo-Christian theology. They just think it looks/sounds kind of neat. Do Hell's Angels worship the devil? No. They're just a badass biker gang club. "Mr. Satan" is supposed to make the character seem like he has a badass name but is in fact not all that badass. That, as they say, is the joke.

Viewing/reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

The explanation I've always been given is that "Mark" is supposed to a wrestler type of character as noted by his clothing (a giant belt) and mannerisms. I know that he isn't a wrestler, that's abundantly clear. Notice how I placed quotation marks around that statement, it wasn't my own words.

He was the projected "savior" of the world prior to the Cell games. Not just some martial artist guy.

On Satan, it doesn't matter if the Japanese people are Christian or not, the name doesn't make sense. Even hell's angels wear black and use there title as a means of intimidation, they don't necessarily harm people but it goes along with the whole aloof tough biker persona. If "Mark" were a pseudo tough guy anti-hero, I can accept the name "Mr. Satan". Unfortunately he's an overtly heroic character. Satan doesn't fit. I'd have the same issue if his name was Mr. Cthulhu, or Mr. Der Grosse Mann.

[ABED]

The heel comment was a joke, sorry that didn't come through. In any event, regardless of whether they practice Judaism or Christianity, I'm sure they know the connotations of a name like Satan, and wrestlers can start off as heels but become babyfaces. I was merely kidding with my comment.

I'm well aware that Mr. Satan wasn't a wrestler. Also what's with the biker gang/club thing?

[Insertclevername]

Also what's with the biker gang/club thing?

He was trying to say that the Hell's Angels, despite having a satanic like name, don't have anything to do with Satanic worship. It's just a cool sounding name. Same applies with Mr. Satan. Doesn't mean the name was supposed to make him sound evil. Just bad ass.

[ABED]

Also what's with the biker gang/club thing?

He was trying to say that the Hell's Angels, despite having a satanic like name, don't have anything to do with Satanic worship. It's just a cool sounding name. Same applies with Mr. Satan. Doesn't mean the name was supposed to make him sound evil. Just bad ass.

I got that. My question was referring to why he crossed out "gang" and wrote "club." I'm well aware that the Hell's Angels aren't Satan worshipers.

[Gaffer Tape]

I interpreted it to mean that referring to them as a "gang" implies the kinds of shootings, stabbings, and other unpleasant illegal activities that modern gangs are known for, and that the Hell's Angels could probably be more accurately classified as a "club" by that standard.

[Insertclevername]

I interpreted as the Hell's Angels typically are known for illegal activity but parade around like a normal biker club.

[RandomGuy96]

Story-wise, I think the anime version of the Goku vs Freeza fight was far better than the manga one.

[Gaffer Tape]

That's interesting. I've never heard that view before. Would you elaborate? What's different, storywise?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Story-wise, I think the anime version of the Goku vs Freeza fight was far better than the manga one.

Why?

[RandomGuy96]

Well, it's been a long time. But as far as I can remember, the main difference was that in the manga, Goku was pretty much always winning, while in the anime, they were evenly matched. There was also the implication (maybe it was stated? Once again it's been a while...) that being hit by the Spirit Bomb earlier made it so that Freeza couldn't sustain 100% power for long, letting Goku win fast enough to escape. I like this for three reasons:

1. It shows that simple power levels aren't everything, and makes Goku look like more of a badass. Despite their power levels being the same (in fact Freeza was probably stronger, since he kept up with someone far more skilled than him), Goku had better stamina and perseverance, so he triumphed, despite taking beating after beating. In the manga/magazines, it's just "Goku's power level was higher, so he wins". To me, that's less interesting.

2. It made everything that happened before not look like a complete waste. The Spirit Bomb apparently actually did play a part in Freeza's defeat rather than just make him angry- his body suffered so much damage that he couldn't sustain the massive power to let him keep up with Goku.

3. I like that it has more suspense. Sure, when actually watching the show, a lot of the tension gets sapped when the characters beat each other up for several episodes and neither one of them will just. Go. Down. However, it always looked like Goku could lose if he made a mistake at any moment, and Freeza was actually deserving of his title of strongest in the galaxy. In the manga, the fight was actually five minutes, and despite landing a few decent hits, Freeza pretty much never had a chance at really winning- the closest he got were those Destructo Disks. Watching the villain get beat up for a while may be satisfying, but it's not suspenseful.

Once again, my memory could be hazy (the only thing I have at the moment that could confirm that is the notoriously inaccurate Dragon Ball wiki), but those are my thoughts.

[Kid Buu]

My Unpopular DB Opinions?

1.) I'm glad Goku was chosen as hero of Buu arc, and not Gohan
2.) I liked all three Broly films, with Bio-Broly being my favourite of the tree
3.) Speaking of Movies, Lord Slug is my favourite of the bunch
4.) I didn't mind Pan in GT.
5.) I prefer the adventure parts of the series (looking for DB, looking for Cell, etc.) over the fights
6.) I hate Mystic. Cheap power up, and I don't believe in people having a limit.
7.) I think if Goku post-Namek went on Flying Nimbus, he'd fall right though

7 is my favourite number, so I'll end it there.

[DBZAOTA482]

That's interesting. I've never heard that view before. Would you elaborate? What's different, storywise?

There's those visions Goku had that pushed him to continue. Like when he visioned everyone on Earth dying if he let Freeza win or when he visioned Vegeta butt-naked.

[ABED]

Why would Goku fall right through after the Freeza arc? What did he do that's impure of heart? Kill Freeza?

[DBZAOTA482]

Why would Goku fall right through after the Freeza arc? What did he do that's impure of heart? Kill Freeza?

- Beats his wife because she denied him of something and use the age-old "lost control of his strength" excuse.
- Feeds his eldest son to the giant cockroach who's stronger than he is.
- Chooses to stay dead for 7 years so he can train under martial arts masters rather than be for his second born son.
- Witnesses Videl getting beaten to the very last inch of her life during the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai by a muscle-bound thug yet sees nothing wrong with it.
- Is willing to gun down the God of All Creation so he can fight a possessed Vegeta yet won't bat an eyelid when his eldest son is screaming in agony while his energy is getting sucked right out of him by Spopovich and Yamu (via a needle-tanker thingie) despite not knowing what their intentions were.
- He chooses not to go all-out against Vegeta purely in midset of a good fight despite knowing the consequences of drawing the battle out and what's worse is that Kaioshin, and Gohan were at Majin Boo's path.
- Yells at Goten and Trunks to get serious even though he can just blow up Majin Boo's pink ass by himself via SSJ3.
- Bribes the Elder Kai with x-rated photos of Bulma; his longest and closest companion aside from Kuririn.
- Shuts his friends out for 5 years of training.
- Leaves his friends/family behind to train some underweight village runt on a whim (and no the "That's Goku for ya!" card doesn't cut this time).

[ABED]

- The first one is a valid excuse. Goku is NOT a wife beater. He didn't intentionally knock her 50 feet. He only meant to pat her on the back in a playful way.
- Giant cockroach? Cell? Is it better that Goku die in battle and let everyone else die? Gohan was the ONLY one with the power to defeat Cell. Goku's only crime was not telling Gohan before hand what his plan was. I'm tired of people thinking that Goku letting Gohan fight Cell was being a bad parent.
- He was explicit about his reasons to stay dead. He didn't want to attract strong evil people to the Earth and endanger the people he loves anymore. I don't think he knew Goten had even been conceived yet.
- Goku did know there was something wrong with being beaten up, but he didn't want Gohan to get DQed and he didn't think Spopovitch would get himself disqualified for killing VIdel.
- It was Kaioshin's plan to let Gohan get hurt.
- Toriyama doesn't think that far ahead.
- He didn't see his friends for 5 years after the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as well. He didn't shut them out, he just didn't visit them. He was busy training and hanging with his family.
- He doesn't leave on a whim. He had a plan.

If Vegeta can be forgiven for mass genocide, Goku can still be pure of heart, especially since it's never his intention to hurt people. And your first one is so ridiculous. Why you would ever think that constitutes spousal abuse? SMH. You might as well claim that Bulma is an attempted murderer because she shoots her friends with machine guns!

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, he didn't kill Freeza...

Anyway, I would love to see Goku have a rematch with the Devilman post-Buu saga, try to no sell his attacks, and then have the Earth fucking explode when the Devilmite Beam hits Goku.