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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:48 pm

ABED wrote:- The first one is a valid excuse. Goku is NOT a wife beater. He didn't intentionally knock her 50 feet. He only meant to pat her on the back in a playful way.
- Giant cockroach? Cell? Is it better that Goku die in battle and let everyone else die? Gohan was the ONLY one with the power to defeat Cell. Goku's only crime was not telling Gohan before hand what his plan was. I'm tired of people thinking that Goku letting Gohan fight Cell was being a bad parent.
- He was explicit about his reasons to stay dead. He didn't want to attract strong evil people to the Earth and endanger the people he loves anymore. I don't think he knew Goten had even been conceived yet.
- Goku did know there was something wrong with being beaten up, but he didn't want Gohan to get DQed and he didn't think Spopovitch would get himself disqualified for killing VIdel.
- It was Kaioshin's plan to let Gohan get hurt.
- Toriyama doesn't think that far ahead.
- He didn't see his friends for 5 years after the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as well. He didn't shut them out, he just didn't visit them. He was busy training and hanging with his family.
- He doesn't leave on a whim. He had a plan.

If Vegeta can be forgiven for mass genocide, Goku can still be pure of heart, especially since it's never his intention to hurt people. And your first one is so ridiculous. Why you would ever think that constitutes spousal abuse? SMH. You might as well claim that Bulma is an attempted murderer because she shoots her friends with machine guns!
Okay, I admit with the first three I was joking but I'll refute anyways:

- Fair enough although in the manga, it looked far less like an accident.
- You should add that he didn't know that Gohan doesn't enjoy fighting like Goku did.
- I know that already but the existence of the Majin Boo Saga rendered it meaningless.
-No, He was only suspicious about how Spopovich got so strong. Videl's safety was the furthest thing from his mind and killing does constitute for disqualification. It was made clear during the fight between Goku vs. Piccolo when the latter was trying to kill Goku and he didn't give a Oozaru's asscrack about the match. I know they would be disqualified if he interfered but it's still something to consider.
- Kaioshin was pretty vague about his plan and regardless, Goku not helping Gohan goes against a father's instinct to protect his family at all cost and it's also pretty out-of-character for Goku to not help an non-evil doer when he/she is suffering.
- Don't care, all that matters is that it makes Goku look like a douche for not being honest about his powers during a do-or-die situation.
- Even though they offered various invitations during the 5 years yet Goku makes a sentiment that his training is more important? Sounds like shutting someone out, and he had more of a justification for not visiting in the 5 following years of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. He's got married, found a new home at Mount Paozu, and had a child.
- Yeah, ditch his friends and family so he can have a new sparring partner.

I think Goku is still pure of heart during the Artificial Human/Cell Saga but once the Majin Boo Saga roles around, he became a selfish idiot and a bad family man (one of the many reasons the saga isn't very good compared the others).
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:57 pm

True, but he intended to, and that's what mattered in that instance.

- What does Gohan's enjoyment in fighting have to do with him defeating Cell. It's either Gohan or everyone dies.
- I think it's important to take into account the author's intent, and I truely doubt he was trying to convey Goku is a heartless dick. He didn't think Videl was going to get killed during a tournament. He didn't see Spopovitch in the same light as he saw Piccolo. Piccolo never held back in their fight. He saw that Spopovitch was. Vegeta saw it, and if he saw it, there's no way Goku didn't see Spopovitch wasn't holding back.
- Kaioshin was vague, but he's KAIOSHIN, and Piccolo vouched for him. Goku trusts Piccolo. Notice Piccolo didn't do anything and he was VERY protective of Gohan. Perhaps even moreso than Goku.
- Yes, Goku does look bad because Toriyama doesn't plan ahead.
- Yes, Goku's training has always been the most important thing to him. If they wanted they also could've went to his place like they eventually did. Goku now has not only another child, he's been dead for 7 years, and he has a grandchild.
- Unless you count GT, we don't know how long Goku was gone, and while I'm not fond of that ending, he's not abandoning them. He says he'll see them eventually.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:23 pm

ABED wrote:True, but he intended to, and that's what mattered in that instance.

- What does Gohan's enjoyment in fighting have to do with him defeating Cell. It's either Gohan or everyone dies.
- I think it's important to take into account the author's intent, and I truely doubt he was trying to convey Goku is a heartless dick. He didn't think Videl was going to get killed during a tournament. He didn't see Spopovitch in the same light as he saw Piccolo. Piccolo never held back in their fight. He saw that Spopovitch was. Vegeta saw it, and if he saw it, there's no way Goku didn't see Spopovitch wasn't holding back.
- Kaioshin was vague, but he's KAIOSHIN, and Piccolo vouched for him. Goku trusts Piccolo. Notice Piccolo didn't do anything and he was VERY protective of Gohan. Perhaps even moreso than Goku.
- Yes, Goku does look bad because Toriyama doesn't plan ahead.
- Yes, Goku's training has always been the most important thing to him. If they wanted they also could've went to his place like they eventually did. Goku now has not only another child, he's been dead for 7 years, and he has a grandchild.
- Unless you count GT, we don't know how long Goku was gone, and while I'm not fond of that ending, he's not abandoning them. He says he'll see them eventually.
I suppose you've got a point but whatever, the Majin Boo Saga sucked for the most parts so who really cares. :P

BTW the fact that Goku hindered the one advantage Gohan over Cell via feeding him a senzu bean is especially unsettling. Goku can just eat the senzu bean Cell suggested himself, and they both gang up on him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:34 pm

Yeah, the Buu saga is my least favorite as well. Toriyama seemed to be having fun, but I've never felt more like he didn't have any idea where he was going. Goku finds another level of Super Saiyan, then there's fusion, and Gohan's huge power up. Any one of those things could've been gamechangers but it's thrown at us all at once so it feels meaningless.

Cell was much stronger than Goku, and Goku knew how strong Gohan was, so I think his logic was that when Gohan gets angry, he's going to be so much stronger than Cell, any gain in power Cell had would be miniscule in comparison, and he was right. If Gohan didn't let his power get the best of him, he could've killed Cell instantly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:12 pm

ABED wrote:Why would Goku fall right through after the Freeza arc? What did he do that's impure of heart? Kill Freeza?
He just seems different in the Cell and Buu arc, like I don't understand how he was OK with sparing Ginyu Force but wanted Cell dead ASAP.

He also did threaten to attack Supreme Kai..but Kai was annoying as shit so I was OK with that. :lol:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm

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ABED wrote:Why would Goku fall right through after the Freeza arc? What did he do that's impure of heart? Kill Freeza?
He just seems different in the Cell and Buu arc, like I don't understand how he was OK with sparing Ginyu Force but wanted Cell dead ASAP.

He also did threaten to attack Supreme Kai..but Kai was annoying as shit so I was OK with that. :lol:
Perhaps because he didn't see The Ginyu Force as big a threat. Even at their most dastardly, they didn't want to destroy the universe, unlike Cell.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZ Mick » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:03 pm

Apart from the Chichi material, I actually don't mind the Freeza arc filler with Ginyu in Bulma's body (he's one of my favourite villians) and all the hallucinations of Goku and stuff.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:26 pm

I feel like TFS has not been as funny as they used too. Don't get me wrong, I still have a good laugh but I feel like most of the jokes are not as fresh then they used to be.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:23 am

Just a little question of curiosity to those who say about how they don't feel TFS is as funny as before - and I'm just gonna make a disclaimer now, that I'm not making any opinion on this myself, it's just me asking a question - Do you think perhaps you don't find it as funny as before, because you've been watching it for a long time? Only I watch a lot of stand-up comedy, and I can find that sometimes, I don't laugh as hard at new material from comedians I know and love and have been fans of for years. Sometimes, it's the novelty that gets you, you know? Like, it being a new experience for you.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:57 pm

You actually have a pretty good point. I also think TFS's humor in the newer eps tries a little too hard, it's still funny but when I watch them it almost seems like it's trying to seem more smart then funny, and everything just feels too planed out. I think that's why I prefer their movie parodies since the humor in those seems a bit more loose.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:15 pm

ABED wrote:- The first one is a valid excuse. Goku is NOT a wife beater. He didn't intentionally knock her 50 feet. He only meant to pat her on the back in a playful way.
I dunno, man, looks like a solid backhand to me.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cursed Lemon » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:10 am

Drummond > Sabat

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Post by Insertclevername » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:26 am

Cursed Lemon wrote:Drummond > Sabat

Lambaste me!
I thought that was a pretty popular opinion around here.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:25 am

I don't really like Future Trunks.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:54 am

Insertclevername wrote:
Cursed Lemon wrote:Drummond > Sabat

Lambaste me!
I thought that was a pretty popular opinion around here.
Is it?

Everywhere I go, I hear the same thing.

"Dah, Sabat does a better 'mature' Vegeta! He's settled down and has a family, so naturally his voice would change!"
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:51 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't really like Future Trunks.
Neither do I, really.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:09 am

The problem with future Trunks (I miss calling him "mirai Trunks") is that his very first appearance depicts him as a strong, stony badass - and then for the rest of the Android/Cell saga, he proves himself to be utterly useless and a bad conversation piece.
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Post by Saiga » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:38 am

Cursed Lemon wrote:The problem with future Trunks (I miss calling him "mirai Trunks") is that his very first appearance depicts him as a strong, stony badass - and then for the rest of the Android/Cell saga, he proves himself to be utterly useless and a bad conversation piece.
Yeah, he is really cool in his first appearance but it's all downhill from there. Although, it's probably good that the Android/Cell arc show that he has serious daddy issues and is naive, because it refutes the claims of him being a Gary Stu for beating Freeza.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:34 am

Cursed Lemon wrote:Drummond > Sabat

Lambaste me!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saimaroimaru » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:35 am

Reading some of these posts, I guess a unpopular Db opinion or just an unpopular DB preference is that I like the Buu saga the most out the three main sagas.

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