The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:15 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Wasn't Vegeta's situation a gag too? "Ore no Buruma!!!!!!!" Yeah that's a gag. I also don't see how you can argue that a gag defeat proves anything. I don't see how Beers letting Vegeta hit him would prove he's a Ssj God. I just think Beers was caught off guard by the difference in power going from Ssj to angry Ssj(2).
How was Bulma getting slapping a gag? How was Vegeta raging because his WIFE was slapped when he did the same thing 10 years ago against Cell when Trunks was killed. I guess that was a gag as well. When loves one is hurt people tend to either overreact(Bulma wasn't that hurt) and do stupid shit. Because Gag feats-defeats- and moments > Regular defeats. Birsu said "Oh so you're not the SSG either" and just tanked Vegeta's rage attack.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:19 pm

You seriously think that's not a gag? That aside, Beers stating that doesn't mean he let himself get beat up :| . I really don't want to argue about this right now though so I'll agree to disagree.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:20 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't see how Beers letting Vegeta hit him would prove he's a Ssj God.
After Vegeta finished his attack, Beers was disappointed because "he wasn't the Super Saiyan God either".
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:21 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:You seriously think that's not a gag? That aside, Beers stating that doesn't mean he let himself get beat up :| . I really don't want to argue about this right now though so I'll agree to disagree.

Okay. I'm done with the debate but.......explain to me how was that a gag. Bullshit plot? Maybe. Gag please explain yourself

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:28 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:You seriously think that's not a gag? That aside, Beers stating that doesn't mean he let himself get beat up :| . I really don't want to argue about this right now though so I'll agree to disagree.

Okay. I'm done with the debate but.......explain to me how was that a gag. Bullshit plot? Maybe. Gag please explain yourself
Vegeta saying "My Bulma!", which isn't something you would expect to hear from Vegeta.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:29 pm

"Gag" apparently means "anything dumb" on these forums, instead of only things intended to be humorous.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:29 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:You seriously think that's not a gag? That aside, Beers stating that doesn't mean he let himself get beat up :| . I really don't want to argue about this right now though so I'll agree to disagree.

Okay. I'm done with the debate but.......explain to me how was that a gag. Bullshit plot? Maybe. Gag please explain yourself
Vegeta saying "My Bulma!", which isn't something you would expect to hear from Vegeta.

Still don't see how that's a gag. Just badly worded.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:33 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Vegeta saying "My Bulma!", which isn't something you would expect to hear from Vegeta.
That's not a "gag." That's something called "character growth."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:34 pm

Kaboom wrote:That's not a "gag." That's something called "character growth."
I don't find it funny, (it's more of a set up for another gag (Goku teasing Vegeta)), but I can see why others see this as a gag.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:36 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kaboom wrote:That's not a "gag." That's something called "character growth."
I don't find it funny, (it's more of a set up for another gag (Goku teasing Vegeta)), but I can see why others see this as a gag.
Of course Goku and Bluma would tease Vegeta for saying "MY BULMA". I mean this is the same guy who went on about pride for the past 3 arcs.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:44 pm

Kaboom wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Vegeta saying "My Bulma!", which isn't something you would expect to hear from Vegeta.
That's not a "gag." That's something called "character growth."
It's a gag to me. It's not something I'd expect Vegeta to say =/.
Rocketman wrote:"Gag" apparently means "anything dumb" on these forums, instead of only things intended to be humorous.
It's funny to me. It may dumb to you but hey, everything is stupid to you :thumbup: .
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:52 pm

Ok, here goes my attempt to get this debate over with.

BoG Vegeta (not counting apparent rage boost) VS Kid Buu.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:56 pm

^Kid Boo.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kaboom wrote:That's not a "gag." That's something called "character growth."
I don't find it funny, (it's more of a set up for another gag (Goku teasing Vegeta)), but I can see why others see this as a gag.
Of course Goku and Bluma would tease Vegeta for saying "MY BULMA". I mean this is the same guy who went on about pride for the past 3 arcs.
Guess that's another thing to add to the list of things that Vegeta is better at than Goku.

1. Won both the fights they had.
2. Fatherhood.
3. Can hold a marriage longer.
4. Possibly Love-making.

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5. Husbandhood.. ?
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Post by Rocketman » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:58 pm

Vegeta just can't gather enough power to vaporize Buu, and that's the only way to beat him. He might last longer than he did in their real battle, but the result is the same.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:00 pm

Ok then, BOG Goku (No SSJG) VS Super Janemba.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:03 pm

Kid Buu beats Vegeta and Janenba beats Goku.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:05 pm

Vegeta and Goku loses.

Nappa vs Ebifurya

Kishime vs Krillin and Gohan(Namek Arc but no power hidden powers unlocked)
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:56 pm

Ebifurya beats Nappa, Krillin maims Kishime alone.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:31 pm

The writer called Vegeta's rage boost "a silly little scene"... seems like a gag to me. If the melodramatic scream didn't say it enough.

Vegeta (BoG) vs Kid Buu: Goes exactly like their last battle.

BOG Goku vs Super Janemba: Goes similarly to their last battle. Goku puts up more of a fight but he still can't overcome Janemba's abilities.

Nappa vs Ebifurya : Nappa gets slaughtered.

Kishime vs Krillin and Gohan(Namek Arc but power hidden powers unlocked): I'm going to assume this is right after. In that case, their levels were 13,000 and 14,000. Krillin massacres Kishime alone.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:35 pm

I was curious, which Pre-Namek movie villain had the strongest henchmen?

Garlic?

Tullece?

Lord Slug?
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