Cell wins with difficulty.Super Vegetto wrote:Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)
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Cell wins after a good fight.Super Vegetto wrote:Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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How you figure?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.
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Depends on Cell's regeneration, I think, and if Vegeta already knows about Cell's capabilities.
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Technically no, the V-Jump numbers for Coola, Broly, and Gogeta were released many years later for Budokai 3. The numbers for Coola's Armored Squad were released in an old issue of Weekly Jump, from back when the movie itself was new. Not quite the same thing.RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't buy them, as they're from a magazine (the same one that said Cooler was 470 million), not something more official like the Daizenshuu, and don't make any sense. For example, they say Salza is weaker than Gohan.
Whether or not they make sense is a matter of opinion, though.
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Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.goku the krump dancer wrote:How you figure?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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You don't know what you started. But yea. I have Dabura equal to Perfect Cell that fought GokuTheMightyOzaru wrote:Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.goku the krump dancer wrote:How you figure?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.
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Wait, I'm confused as to the context of this particular comparison.
Was Vegeta able to go SSJ2 before his possession?
Was Vegeta able to go SSJ2 before his possession?
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Yes he was.Cursed Lemon wrote:Was Vegeta able to go SSJ2 before his possession?
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Care to elaborate a little?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.goku the krump dancer wrote:How you figure?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.
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Personally I believe Teen Gohan dropped to FPSSJ strength during the Buu saga. Before he got all the training and Mystic form from Kibito, the East Supreme Kaioshin, and Old Kaioshin of course.
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Do we know what kind of a boost Babidi gave him?Tyro wrote:
Yes he was.
It seems inconceivable to me that for as much as Vegeta keeps up with his training, that as a SSJ2 he couldn't completely destroy Cell (and that kid Gohan would be THAT much stronger than him) - or at least win after a bit of a scuffle.
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It's kinda messy, but from what we're given to work with:Cursed Lemon wrote:Do we know what kind of a boost Babidi gave him?Tyro wrote:
Yes he was.
It seems inconceivable to me that for as much as Vegeta keeps up with his training, that as a SSJ2 he couldn't completely destroy Cell (and that kid Gohan would be THAT much stronger than him) - or at least win after a bit of a scuffle.
SS2 Goku = SS2 Majin Vegeta > SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) > SS2 Goku (burst, vs. Yakon) > SS2 Vegeta. So the boost took him from below SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) to above that level.
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It seems to be that with the degree to which Gohan outclassed even SPC, that Vegeta should at least get the W.Tyro wrote:
It's kinda messy, but from what we're given to work with:
SS2 Goku = SS2 Majin Vegeta > SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) > SS2 Goku (burst, vs. Yakon) > SS2 Vegeta. So the boost took him from below SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) to above that level.
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Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo. Which means Majin Vegeta is around SSJ2 Kid Gohan's level. Before that Vegeta said the gap between him and Goku hadn't changed from 7 years ago. That means SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Vegeta (tourney). Gohan seemed to be >= SPC or arguably weaker. So Vegeta wouldn't be in SSJ2 Kid Gohan's range before his boost.
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Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4dbzfan7 wrote:Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo.
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”
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I don't see why I would have to elaborate here, but ok. Gohan was stated to be very slightly stronger than Dabura during their battle, his sloppiness prevented him from doing well. If Gohan is weaker than his Cell games self, how the heck is Gohan supposed to be stronger than someone who is equal to Cell?goku the krump dancer wrote:Care to elaborate a little?
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Tyro wrote:Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4dbzfan7 wrote:Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo.
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”
I'm talking about the quote that loops Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku in the same realm of power as SSJ2 Kid Gohan. I know Majin Vegeta is stronger than SSJ Kid Gohan, he's just not a lot stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Which shows that SSJ2 Vegeta (before the boost) is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and most likely SPC.Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3
Context: as Vegeta fights Boo
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”
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I think its been its been done before but..
Super Janemba VS Super Buu (no absorption)
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Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn. Hildegarn easily KO'd Ultimate Gohan. Ultimate Gohan easily beat the tar out of Evil Boo.
So all that said, Janemba smacks down Evil Boo like it ain't no thang. He's probably got a strength advantage of several fold, and is more on-par with Boo when he absorbed Gotenks or Gohan.
So all that said, Janemba smacks down Evil Boo like it ain't no thang. He's probably got a strength advantage of several fold, and is more on-par with Boo when he absorbed Gotenks or Gohan.
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