Nope. It's objectively a retcon, as stated before.
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
TekTheNinja wrote:
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
At what point in the Saiyan arc did Vegeta think of himself as the Strongest? Not disputing that it's a retcon, but the odds that it is go down the closer the arc gets to finishing
TekTheNinja wrote:
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
At what point in the Saiyan arc did Vegeta think of himself as the Strongest? Not disputing that it's a retcon, but the odds that it is go down the closer the arc gets to finishing
I'm 99% sure he considers himself the strongest and his own boss until the very end of the arc. If anyone has something in the manga that says otherwise though, by all means tell me.
TekTheNinja wrote:
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
At what point in the Saiyan arc did Vegeta think of himself as the Strongest? Not disputing that it's a retcon, but the odds that it is go down the closer the arc gets to finishing
TekTheNinja wrote:
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
At what point in the Saiyan arc did Vegeta think of himself as the Strongest? Not disputing that it's a retcon, but the odds that it is go down the closer the arc gets to finishing
I'm 99% sure he considers himself the strongest and his own boss until the very end of the arc. If anyone has something in the manga that says otherwise though, by all means tell me.
No, what I mean is: If the moment where he explicitly says he's the strongest is closer to the end of the arc, then it's less likely that Toriyama hasn't come up with Frieza yet
Soppa Saia People wrote:
jcogginsa wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote:
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
At what point in the Saiyan arc did Vegeta think of himself as the Strongest? Not disputing that it's a retcon, but the odds that it is go down the closer the arc gets to finishing
When he creates he fake moon.
That's about 10 chapters before the arc ends. So Toriyama probably hadn't thought of it yet
Now I don't thinks so, but does anybody think that TFS worked on the Kai Final Chapters on the "Flash" names for the Fake Characters on the Cell Games movie during the tournament?
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Episode 14: Goku's Rival wrote:
Muten Roshi: Bring me a Pichi-pichi gal here. Do that, and I can train you
Son Goku: What's a Bitchy bitchy gag?
Dragon Ball Super Chapter 24: Son Goku's Evolution wrote:
Zamasu:What about you?! Are you prepared to kneel before god?
Vegeta: Don't screw with me... I an the Prince of all Saiyans... Even if I have to die... ...I'LL NEVER GIVE UP MY PRIDE!!!
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't really think it's worth getting worked up about. Very soon we will have our own Wiki. And over time, it will be bigger, better, and more accurate than theirs. We'll have standards. We'll have quality control. We'll have better information. And I'm sure, people will naturally gravitate to it once there is some substance.
The best way to fix the giant cancer that is the DB Wiki is to provide an alternative for those who really want it. Even those who prefer dub names will wind up looking things up on the Kanzenshuu Wiki. Because sooner or later, they're going to need information they know they can trust.
penguintruth wrote:"New in 16:9! It's DBZ as you've partially seen it before!"
VegettoEX wrote:Gonna publish a book called “The Kanzenshuu” and it will have 199 blank pages followed by 1 page with text that simply says “nah Goku is gay though”.
jcogginsa wrote:If the moment where he explicitly says he's the strongest is closer to the end of the arc, then it's less likely that Toriyama hasn't come up with Frieza yet.
Toriyama said in an interview that he thought of Freeza during the 23rd Tenkaichi arc.
"I suppose the first time I started thinking about the Freeza arc was probably midway through Ma Junior."
Why is it "DragonBall" and not "Dragon Ball", the former looks crunched and is not very nice to look like, well the latter is much nicer. Cancel the show and the thread, and change it. If you do not, I sue.
Kidding of course, but why did you guys write it like "DragonBall" ?
I found it! In episode 66 of Dragon Ball, titled "A Real Bind". Goku does indeed fire a Kamehameha at the RR Army Base. Two flying vehicles were shooting at him so he Kamehameha'd them. Looks like Gero's son was at that tower that got blown up.
TekTheNinja wrote:Nope. It's objectively a retcon, as stated before.
I mean I don't personally find it to be that bad of a retcon or anything, but it's still pretty much factually a retcon. I highly doubt Toriyama had Freeza in mind when writing the saiyan arc.
No, it's not, sorry but Toriyama didn't inteded to end DB in this arc and as said before:
sintzu wrote:[spoiler]Toriyama said in an interview that he thought of Freeza during the 23rd Tenkaichi arc.
"I suppose the first time I started thinking about the Freeza arc was probably midway through Ma Junior."
TekTheNinja wrote:I'm 99% sure he considers himself the strongest and his own boss until the very end of the arc. If anyone has something in the manga that says otherwise though, by all means tell me.
When he refers himself as the strongest he meant the strongest Saiyan, it's not that hard to interpret that.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Angelus wrote:I found it! In episode 66 of Dragon Ball, titled "A Real Bind". Goku does indeed fire a Kamehameha at the RR Army Base. Two flying vehicles were shooting at him so he Kamehameha'd them. Looks like Gero's son was at that tower that got blown up.
I actually really liked Baby. So I think it's pretty cool that he is fairly high on the list. I also dig the weird alien look he gets after he takes over vegeta and before he goes Great ape. It's a little strange how Vegetas body just does that, but I guess it just one of those times GT just magically give clothes to a transformation.
Anyone know of the track that they used in this pick when they were explaining Baby?
[spoiler]Baby[/spoiler] like the Shadow Dragons also sounds good on paper. Confusing plot aside, someone intending to go after the Saiyans for their past sins is a great storyline idea. And how each saga from Cell Saga onward was topping itself with villains with greater and greater regenerative properties, the liquid parasitism was crazy. It's too bad things didn't work out as well as it could have.
KaiserNeko wrote:No, he's right. That's the exact shot; I had to do my research for it.
Will you guys reference in the Dragon Ball Abridged movie things in the future, 16's death?
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Episode 14: Goku's Rival wrote:
Muten Roshi: Bring me a Pichi-pichi gal here. Do that, and I can train you
Son Goku: What's a Bitchy bitchy gag?
Dragon Ball Super Chapter 24: Son Goku's Evolution wrote:
Zamasu:What about you?! Are you prepared to kneel before god?
Vegeta: Don't screw with me... I an the Prince of all Saiyans... Even if I have to die... ...I'LL NEVER GIVE UP MY PRIDE!!!
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't really think it's worth getting worked up about. Very soon we will have our own Wiki. And over time, it will be bigger, better, and more accurate than theirs. We'll have standards. We'll have quality control. We'll have better information. And I'm sure, people will naturally gravitate to it once there is some substance.
The best way to fix the giant cancer that is the DB Wiki is to provide an alternative for those who really want it. Even those who prefer dub names will wind up looking things up on the Kanzenshuu Wiki. Because sooner or later, they're going to need information they know they can trust.
penguintruth wrote:"New in 16:9! It's DBZ as you've partially seen it before!"
VegettoEX wrote:Gonna publish a book called “The Kanzenshuu” and it will have 199 blank pages followed by 1 page with text that simply says “nah Goku is gay though”.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
